How many Legacy FastPasses did you *really* use on an average day?

[WILDERNESS FAN 55]

What's not to get? Several rides were disconnected at the MK. And you don't have to wait 2 hours, just until the window on your current FP opens. If you start early, you can get a fair number before they get to the 2 hour delay.

Actually once FP time enforcement started, I believe they started experimenting with how many FPs they issued in a day, so they would know how many they could run through the system once FP+ got under way. And the more FPs they put into the system, the less lag until your return time. I pulled 6 FPs in the MK the one day we were there last June, and we didn't get to the park until 2:30. On our December 2012 trip I was shocked at how soon the return times were compared to recent years. That translated to more FPs because you could get a new one as soon as the window opened on the old one.

8-10 really didn't even require a lot of extra effort in the MK.

If return times were that soon then FP's weren't really needed. I could pull a dozen or more in off season but there's no point to it.

 

[ZoZo]

With the old FP system, I'd get as many FPs as possible, often five or six (or more) day.

More important than the total number for me, though, was the fact that I could get more than one FP for the same ride on the same day. I love to repeat my favorite rides such as Soarin', TSM, and BTMRR, and would often ride them three or four times in a single day. I'm hoping to maximize these rides as much as possible by hitting rope drop and staying till park closing. My first trip with FP+ is in two weeks, so we'll see how it goes!

 

[Shaden]

If return times were that soon then FP's weren't really needed. I could pull a dozen or more in off season but there's no point to it.

Not exactly true, quite often we had seen in may, you can grab an FP with a return time in about an hour, when SB lines are 20-30mins. You can grab an FP, walk to another ride, or ride that ride SB, (do a couple other rides with 20min-ish SBs) Then ride your FP ride as a walk on. Your average wait time is now around 13 mins, instead of 20. Every time you do this, you are saving yourself 20-30 mins. Do that 6 times in a day, you saved yourself 3 hours of standing in line.

That's a pretty awesome use of FP-. No longer possible with FP+.

 

[magentarhps93]

Not exactly true, quite often we had seen in may, you can grab an FP with a return time in about an hour, when SB lines are 20-30mins. You can grab an FP, walk to another ride, or ride that ride SB, (do a couple other rides with 20min-ish SBs) Then ride your FP ride as a walk on. Your average wait time is now around 13 mins, instead of 20. Every time you do this, you are saving yourself 20-30 mins. Do that 6 times in a day, you saved yourself 3 hours of standing in line.

That's a pretty awesome use of FP-. No longer possible with FP+.

I like the way you think!

To be honest, I always considered myself an extreme fastpasser. It was like a sport-how many rides in a day could I get in and how little did I have to wait for them. I could easily pull at *least* 8 in MK during late July/early August. I didn't double dip. (though I did learn it always helps to make friends with the CMs at your favorite rides, and you might just get a little extra FP pixie dust every now and then!) I remember one thanksgiving at DL when we got in over 25 rides (including rerides) and a table service dinner. Obviously I don't like the limitations of the new system, but I'll also miss being what I call a "Fastpass ninja". The preplaning takes all the fun out of it.

 

[Disneylover99]

Not exactly true, quite often we had seen in may, you can grab an FP with a return time in about an hour, when SB lines are 20-30mins. You can grab an FP, walk to another ride, or ride that ride SB, (do a couple other rides with 20min-ish SBs) Then ride your FP ride as a walk on. Your average wait time is now around 13 mins, instead of 20. Every time you do this, you are saving yourself 20-30 mins. Do that 6 times in a day, you saved yourself 3 hours of standing in line.

That's a pretty awesome use of FP-. No longer possible with FP+.

This is exactly what we did. I see so many people posting that they didn't need FP because waits were only 20-30 minutes.

Why wait 20-30 minutes when you can grab a FP, go on another ride, then come back with no wait? This never made sense to me.

Plus, you could then generally get a FP a half hour to an hour later. Those were the days....

 

[magicbob]

If return times were that soon then FP's weren't really needed. I could pull a dozen or more in off season but there's no point to it.

Not exactly true, quite often we had seen in may, you can grab an FP with a return time in about an hour, when SB lines are 20-30mins. You can grab an FP, walk to another ride, or ride that ride SB, (do a couple other rides with 20min-ish SBs) Then ride your FP ride as a walk on. Your average wait time is now around 13 mins, instead of 20. Every time you do this, you are saving yourself 20-30 mins. Do that 6 times in a day, you saved yourself 3 hours of standing in line.

That's a pretty awesome use of FP-. No longer possible with FP+.

This is exactly what we did. I see so many people posting that they didn't need FP because waits were only 20-30 minutes.

Why wait 20-30 minutes when you can grab a FP, go on another ride, then come back with no wait? This never made sense to me.

Plus, you could then generally get a FP a half hour to an hour later. Those were the days....

We would often ride something else. But just as often, we would spend that time shopping or getting a snack (just like Disney wanted us to do) or maybe take advantage of that downtime for a bathroom break or to sit on a bench and rest our tired feet or just "soak in the atmosphere" taking photos, etc.

Doing any of the above for 20-30 minutes is better than standing in a line instead.


BTW... The thing I really find interesting is that about 65% in this poll report using 5+. But because of people who didn't bother to get any (or just a few) that brings the average down to around 3. Instead of using the mean (average), if Disney had analyzed actual usage and considered the mode (the most common data), it might have provided a more realistic view of how many were being used by those who DID use the system.

Of course, there were certainly some people who would have used it, but couldn't because they had run out (although I expect that number is lower than we think... except for the most popular rides or at the most peak times, they typically didn't all run out THAT early). At least here on the DIS, I rarely (if ever) see people complaining that they only got 0-3 FPs. The people who report that they used 0-3 almost always indicate that they were perfectly content with how many they got.

It seems like those who used to get 6 are now having to give up half of them to make them available to people who in many cases never wanted those 3 in the first place.

Ok... I'm violating my moratorium, but it IS self-imposed, so I'm allowed to make exceptions!

 

[cleophus12]

Well, I voted for five. But I was only considering what we did at MK in a single day. I didn't even think about switching parks which we also did regularly. We would cover the MK by early afternoon and go to Epcot or DHS and grab FP for our favorites and knock them out in fairly short order. This trip we aren't even park hopping because I know that by the time we get to another park, we would waste most of our time standing in lines for rides we have done a hundred times. That was part of the beauty of the old FP- system. If we wanted to ride something for the 100th time, we didn't have to waste time in a line to do it. Now we will just skip it I guess. Kinda sad.

 

[DvF Diva]

We used 8-10 on average, and it round pretty much be repeats or just one or two rides. When ds was 3, we did dumbo 5x with paper fPs in one day. When ds was napping, dh and I would use a fp to space Mtn and buzz lightyeR, whatever rides ds was too small or scared (dark) to do.
Now that ds is tall enough for other rides, we'd be the people pulling repeat fPs for btmrr or splash Mtn, his favorite rides. He's also into barnstormer now. However, with the new fp+, we did each ride once over the course of our (recent) two full days at mk: splash was closed for refurb on day 2 and btmrr was broken almost entire day of second visit. The replacement fp+ we got for btmrr being broken was not good on any other ride ds wished to do. It was a huge bust of a visit for us under this new system.
Hoping they tweak it to work better for our touring style. 3 fp+ per day not enough for this family and it just means we spend half instead of full day a wdw theme park, esp at places like hs or epcot, where we only like 2 (hs) or 3 (epcot) rides in whole park. Park hopping between the two is now out if the question. It is a huge waste of our theme park ticket price and only upgrading to an AP made it less of a waste of each day we were at wdw. Definitely moving my money towards dl, which we do enjoy much more anyway. Only the time diff to ca makes us go there less often than fl.

 

[jpolak]

We would typically use 3-5 a day depending on the park. For us the flexability was the best part.

 

[Stitch123]

I voted 5 as an average. Used more at MK and fewer at the other parks.

There are two flaws with the thinking that if the average FP- use was 2.89 or whatever, everyone should be happy they now get 3 FP+.

1. People who rarely or never used FP- will not care much, but people who used more than 3 certainly will, as the new system puts a real damper on the way they used to tour.

2. People enjoy riding their favorite rides several times. We may have only pulled 3 FP- on one day at EP, for example, but they would have all been for Test Track. 1 FP+ per attraction limits the experience severely.

 

[mom2rtk]

Not exactly true, quite often we had seen in may, you can grab an FP with a return time in about an hour, when SB lines are 20-30mins. You can grab an FP, walk to another ride, or ride that ride SB, (do a couple other rides with 20min-ish SBs) Then ride your FP ride as a walk on. Your average wait time is now around 13 mins, instead of 20. Every time you do this, you are saving yourself 20-30 mins. Do that 6 times in a day, you saved yourself 3 hours of standing in line.

That's a pretty awesome use of FP-. No longer possible with FP+.

Yep. That about covers it. Pure awesomeness.

And...... like magicbob.......... sometimes we just went shopping. I guess from now on I'll just be standing in a line instead.

 

[TinkerBelle_325]

Not exactly true, quite often we had seen in may, you can grab an FP with a return time in about an hour, when SB lines are 20-30mins. You can grab an FP, walk to another ride, or ride that ride SB, (do a couple other rides with 20min-ish SBs) Then ride your FP ride as a walk on. Your average wait time is now around 13 mins, instead of 20. Every time you do this, you are saving yourself 20-30 mins. Do that 6 times in a day, you saved yourself 3 hours of standing in line.

That's a pretty awesome use of FP-. No longer possible with FP+.

So if the average FP- wait was 13 minutes....and the standby line was 20-30....let's say 25 for average sake....then you actually save 12 minutes each time...not 20-30 and that means over the course of 6 FP- you saved 72 minutes...not 3 hours.

 

[mom2rtk]

So if the average FP- wait was 13 minutes....and the standby line was 20-30....let's say 25 for average sake....then you actually save 12 minutes each time...not 20-30 and that means over the course of 6 FP- you saved 72 minutes...not 3 hours.

And if the wait was 35 minutes? How about 40? Maybe 45? Never mind that we all know that posted standby waits have the potential to be underestimated. I would ALWAYS take a FP when I could. Generally any line over 20 minutes has the potential to turn into something much longer.

Do you think you're going to analyze people into admitting that they have been wrong all along and FP+ would indeed be great for them after all?

I actually had one poster read through my trip reports and PM me with the great news that as luck would have it, FP+ would actually work out great for me.

People LIKE what they LIKE. For a huge variety of reasons. At least let them own their own feelings please.

 

[TinkerBelle_325]

And if the wait was 35 minutes? How about 40? Maybe 45? Never mind that we all know that posted standby waits have the potential to be underestimated. I would ALWAYS take a FP when I could. Generally any line over 20 minutes has the potential to turn into something much longer.

Do you think you're going to analyze people into admitting that they have been wrong all along and FP+ would indeed be great for them after all?

I actually had one poster read through my trip reports and PM me with the great news that as luck would have it, FP+ would actually work out great for me.

People LIKE what they LIKE. For a huge variety of reasons. At least let them own their own feelings please.

Nope - as I said I am analyzing for my own curiosity. And I was pointing out that it was simply faulty math. This is a thread I started - if you don't like it simply click unsubscribe and stop reading/posting

 

[TandLMommy28]

We are September visitors and we try to follow the best days for crowds or just hit the EMH and do as much as possible before it gets crowded in the morning and then hit the resort of most of the afternoon and go back at night when things are winding down. Honestly, I would say on average we used one a day. MAYBE two at HOllywood studios to do Toy Story more than once. But that's about it.

 

[mom2rtk]

Nope - as I said I am analyzing for my own curiosity. And I was pointing out that it was simply faulty math. This is a thread I started - if you don't like it simply click unsubscribe and stop reading/posting

There's nothing faulty in this math: 3<6.

 

[BarbieGal457]

Honestly...2 at the most. If I ever used 3 I really can't recall - maybe once or twice in all of my trips. I'm actually pretty excited to use FP+ when I go in June! We plan what parks/what day, and some meals, but we're pretty "go with the flow" so I don't think it can let us down!

 

[TinkerBelle_325]

There's nothing faulty in this math: 3<6.

Also nothing faulty in this math
259 Poll Respondents
0 x 5 = 0
1 x 12 = 12
2 x 38 = 76
3 x 41 = 123
4 x 27 = 108
5 x 60 = 300
6 x 47 = 282
7 x 19 = 133
8 x 4 = 32
9 x 6 = 54
TOTAL = 11209/259 = 4.3
Interestingly…the average keeps FALLING…

 

[BuckeyeBama]

Also nothing faulty in this math
259 Poll Respondents
0 x 5 = 0
1 x 12 = 12
2 x 38 = 76
3 x 41 = 123
4 x 27 = 108
5 x 60 = 300
6 x 47 = 282
7 x 19 = 133
8 x 4 = 32
9 x 6 = 54
TOTAL = 11209/259 = 4.3
Interestingly…the average keeps FALLING…

Well, I selected 5, but my real answer would probably be closer to 180,000/day.

 

[Mommy2Corinne]

Also nothing faulty in this math
259 Poll Respondents
0 x 5 = 0
1 x 12 = 12
2 x 38 = 76
3 x 41 = 123
4 x 27 = 108
5 x 60 = 300
6 x 47 = 282
7 x 19 = 133
8 x 4 = 32
9 x 6 = 54
TOTAL = 11209/259 = 4.3
Interestingly&#133;the average keeps FALLING&#133;

Huh. Well how about this math? Currently 63% of the respondents voted that they used MORE FP- than the measly 3 FP+ allowed by Disney.