How does vandalism and looting accomplish anything???

[Lisa loves Pooh]

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/uc...he-u.s.-2012/tables/43tabledatadecoverviewpdf

drugs seem to be more of a white crime...

That doesn't answer the question now does it?

Not everyone who uses gets caught and arrested for it.

What is the incidence rate of use, period?

If you don't know, the say so.

Because yes, perhaps they get stopped more. But IF possession/use rate is higher, then the odds are not on their favor to not get caught eve of stop rates are the same. Hence the question of what is the incidence rate of the entire population and not just the arrest rates.

So if it is more of a white crime as you say, then how can you say blacks are more likely to be arrested for it? Because those stats appear to be 3x as much.

 

[CPT Tripss]

Mythbusters never struggle. So I don't know.

But Dorian's statement does not match this story. Other witnesses would need to confirm this struggle. If it happened, Dorian is conveniently leaving that out.

Lawyer failed to confirm that Dorian had already admitted the theft of the cigars.

OK, I accept that you don't know. I repeated what "Josie" claimed was Wilson's story. It's the police supporters version . . .

 

[Suger Mag]

That doesn't answer the question now does it?

Not everyone who uses gets caught and arrested for it.

What is the incidence rate of use, period?

If you don't know, the say so.

Because yes, perhaps they get stopped more. But IF possession/use rate is higher, then the odds are not on their favor to not get caught eve of stop rates are the same. Hence the question of what is the incidence rate of the entire population and not just the arrest rates.

So if it is more of a white crime as you say, then how can you say blacks are more likely to be arrested for it? Because those stats appear to be 3x as much.

I have a PhD in molecular biology... not sociology. I do not know, I was relatively impressed that I could find the PDF from the FBI which has more than enough stats on crime and race in one place than I have ever seen before.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Beaten so severely that the cops on the scene after the shooting were attending to him? No, not really . . . He is standing on his own without his brother officers rendering first aid.

See the five screen caps from the Crenshaw video here - http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...uard-ferguson-night-clashes-article-1.1906990

Not saying it is him or it isn't...

But that cop has a huge bald spot and receding hairline.


Per this--the manner of his receding hairline is different. (Hair forming like a widow' peak in the front. Of course, I don't know the date of the photo.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-photo-shows-16-two-years-younger-victim.html

In a police dept full of white guys, it is feasible this is a different officer. Especially given that Mike Brown's body was left to sit for 4 hours. What is the time stamp of these photos?

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I have a PhD in molecular biology... not sociology. I do not know, I was relatively impressed that I could find the PDF from the FBI which has more than enough stats on crime and race in one place than I have ever seen before.

It is amazing what they track.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

OK, I accept that you don't know. I repeated what "Josie" claimed was Wilson's story. It's the police supporters version . . .

I thought the question was if gun recoil could cause someone to break their eye socket.


For some reason I am having difficulty picturing how the gun fired in the car. But based on accounts, the best picture I has formed was that it fired somewhere between the holster and waist level out of holster.

No confirmation.

But no reports of gun being raised or in air other than the claim that first shot was at Mike Brown directly (Dorian Johnson's statement via his attorney).

 

[Viva Las Disney]

What is the rate of drugs by race? Of course white kids do drugs. Do thy do it at a higher, lower, or similar incident rate than their black counterparts?

Everything I've found show the use rates are very close, within 1 or 2% depending on the drug, for some drugs black use is slightly higher (pot 1% difference) for other drugs white use is slightly higher (cocaine 2% difference).

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/uc...he-u.s.-2012/tables/43tabledatadecoverviewpdf

drugs seem to be more of a white crime...

Technically there are a lot more white people being arrested for drugs but that makes sense because there are a lot more white people, as a percent use is about equal.

Every report I've found shows use about equal but your link shows the black population (about 13%) accounts for about 31% of the arrests, which certainly seems to back up the earlier claim there is a bias towards black people being unequally singled out and arrested, at least as far as drugs are concerned.

Crime rates are much more relative to poverty than they are to race. A poor black person is equally as likely to commit a crime as a poor white person, both are much more likely to commit a crime than a middle class black or white person, both are much more likely to commit a crime than an upper class black or white person. There are exceptions to the rule but poverty = crime.

 

[TLSnell1981]

Everything I've found show the use rates are very close, withing 1 or 2% depending on the drug, for some drugs black use is slightly higher (pot 1% difference) for other drugs white use is slightly higher (cocaine 2% difference).



Technically there are a lot more white people being arrested for drugs but that makes sense because there are a lot more white people, as a percent use is about equal.

Every report I've found shows use about equal but your link shows the black population (about 13%) accounts for about 31% of the arrests, which certainly seems to back up the earlier claim there is a bias towards black people being unequally singled out and arrested, at least as far as drugs are concerned.

Any stats on where the drug use and/or arrests occur?

 

[3 MEN AND A BOAT]

sure... white kids don't do drugs... LOL

I used that only as an example of how the stats work. More opportunity to be questioned means more opportunity to be arrested for whatever.

I had a thought pop in my head as I read this concerning whether whites or blacks are stopped more or less often. But my experience seems to be that blacks are more likely to live in a city where white tend to live in more rural areas. Maybe I'm wrong but if you live inside city limits it's more of a likely hood that you'll encounter a police officer simply due to their presence. Rural areas are patrolled by county and state while in a city setting you could encounter city, county, and state. I'm just thinking out loud.

 

[Suger Mag]

Everything I've found show the use rates are very close, withing 1 or 2% depending on the drug, for some drugs black use is slightly higher (pot 1% difference) for other drugs white use is slightly higher (cocaine 2% difference).



Technically there are a lot more white people being arrested for drugs but that makes sense because there are a lot more white people, as a percent use is about equal.

Every report I've found shows use about equal but your link shows the black population (about 13%) accounts for about 31% of the arrests, which certainly seems to back up the earlier claim there is a bias towards black people being unequally singled out and arrested, at least as far as drugs are concerned.

I did not mean to distract everyone with the drug tangent... it was just the first example that came to mind when I responed to this post.

I won't argue with the more likely to be stopped but the more likely to be arrested and charged..makes not a damn bit of sense. Charged and arrested with what? .

More stops will lead to more arrests... for whatever crime. More police stopping and questioning of black youth will logically lead to more black youth being arrested simply because the arresting opportunities are more numerous...

 

[Luvchefmic]

If 5 white kids have drugs in their pocket... and 5 black kids have drugs in their pocket... and if black kids are more likely to be stopped and questioned than the white kids... at the end of the day more black kids are going to be arrested for possesion than white kids , simply because more are stopped and questioned thus providing more opportunity to be arrested ... it makes perfect numerical sense.

It certainly does NOT make numerical sense the 5 black kids stopped were stopped for a reason. I am not buying into this walking while a certain color mentality. They did something to be stopped. Then they were charged and arrested for the drugs. The 5 white kids that weren't stopped, how can we assume they also had drugs in their pocket ?

MY bottom line, the system isn't broken...maybe frayed in some areas because nothing is perfect and the " system" consists of human beings with all their faults and mindsets..it is the family that has to fix things for their children. Feel like the system is stacked against you and yours ? Move heaven and earth to improve things, instill goals and values, teach not to give in to peer pressure, know where your kids are, get involved. Is that really so difficult ?

 

[CPT Tripss]

Not saying it is him or it isn't...

But that cop has a huge bald spot and receding hairline.


Per this--the manner of his receding hairline is different. (Hair forming like a widow' peak in the front. Of course, I don't know the date of the photo.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-photo-shows-16-two-years-younger-victim.html

In a police dept full of white guys, it is feasible this is a different officer. Especially given that Mike Brown's body was left to sit for 4 hours. What is the time stamp of these photos?

It's the Crenshaw video . . . Did you look at all the captures?

All white guys look alike? Is that your point?

 

[CPT Tripss]

I had a thought pop in my head as I read this concerning whether whites or blacks are stopped more or less often. But my experience seems to be that blacks are more likely to live in a city where white tend to live in more rural areas. Maybe I'm wrong but if you live inside city limits it's more of a likely hood that you'll encounter a police officer simply due to their presence. Rural areas are patrolled by county and state while in a city setting you could encounter city, county, and state. I'm just thinking out loud.

You pick the jurisdiction that a given police entity covers. Statistically, blacks get stopped by those police disproportionately more frequently.

ETA - except in specific minority neighborhoods or areas known for selling drugs . . . Then whites are stopped by the police more often than would be expected based on the population.

 

[OurBigTrip]

All white guys look alike? Is that your point?

At the distance and quality of the video? Except for height and weight, yeah, pretty much.

 

[Viva Las Disney]

I had a thought pop in my head as I read this concerning whether whites or blacks are stopped more or less often. But my experience seems to be that blacks are more likely to live in a city where white tend to live in more rural areas. Maybe I'm wrong but if you live inside city limits it's more of a likely hood that you'll encounter a police officer simply due to their presence. Rural areas are patrolled by county and state while in a city setting you could encounter city, county, and state. I'm just thinking out loud.

This is probably true to a certain extent but someone earlier had stats that were specific to Ferguson and even in that relatively small city the numbers were heavily skewed.

I hate the argument that life isn't fair to black people but there is a lot of data that could be interpreted many ways that makes me wonder if there isn't some truth behind the claim. I've always thought this was a chicken/egg argument. Are black people arrested more because police profile or do police profile because black people commit more crime. I'm not sure anyone really knows the answer.

 

[OurBigTrip]

ETA - except in specific minority neighborhoods or areas known for selling drugs . . . Then whites are stopped by the police more often than would be expected based on the population.

Racial profiling?

 

[CPT Tripss]

At the distance and quality of the video? Except for height and weight, yeah, pretty much.

My bad, the link either updates or isn't the one I thought it was.

ETA: the NY Post ids this guy as Wilson http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...uard-ferguson-night-clashes-article-1.1906990

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

It's the Crenshaw video . . . Did you look at all the captures?

All white guys look alike? Is that your point?

I think it is questionable. And the images are fuzzy. I saw 5 screen shots of a guy with a very receded hairline (near bald) and what hair he did have, at that distance, was dark brown. In the link provided, and Wilson seems more blonde to me (though dark blonde like my hair but not dark enough to be considered brown hair) and a barely receding hairline on the sides forming a faux widow's peak. (My husband's hair is receding the same way.

Not a guarantee that it is him pending a current photo based on the only photo we have seen thus far. That officer has a huge bald spot. The only photo we have seen of Officer Wilson, he still has hair on the top and sides of his head.

Without time stamps and dates--yes, it could easily be any other officer. Possible it is him--but not a guarantee and insufficient evidence (thus far) as proof of little to no injury.


That's my point.

If you recall, earlier in the thread, before automatically accepting the surveillance footage as Mike Brown, I asked if the man in the video and the man dead in the street were wearing the same thing. I didn't assume just because someone claimed it was. Someone said, yes the clothes matches and Dorian confirming the were in that store and they did steal--then I accepted.

The hairlines for the photos we have available to us differ significantly, that makes me question the ability for anyone to confirm that is Darren Wilsom in the screen shots until a current photo of Darren Wilson is made available. Additionally, pending time of the video--Wilson may have already been taken for treatment.

I cannot speak for facial injuries, but for my ankle, I had no instant swelling. It did get swell slowly. When I sprained an ankle--it ballooned pretty quickly. I ripped my shoe off because it started getting extremely tight. So if it is Darren Wilson in the video, it is not proof of no injury either.

 

[Viva Las Disney]

CNN is reporting it may take until mid October for the evidence to be presented to the grand jury.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

My bad, the link either updates or isn't the one I thought it was.

ETA: the NY Post ids this guy as Wilson http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...uard-ferguson-night-clashes-article-1.1906990

Read it again--they say "appearing to be". Exact same as the first link you shared.

*I am not saying it isn't him. I'm saying it is possible it isn't until we see a current photograph of him. If he has hair on the top of his head, that guy in the screen shot cannon be him unless he suddenly joined the hair club for men while on admin leave.