How do you handle the Holidays when...

Crock pots are amazing! You say "I love you" by getting the one that comes with the dip warmer :).

Please note the last sentence is sarcasam. I love my crock pot and it wa sgiven to me as a birthday gift as it was on my wish list.
I am so serious. It's a great gift. A dip warmer sounds awesome!
 
Crock pots are amazing! You say "I love you" by getting the one that comes with the dip warmer :).

Please note the last sentence is sarcasam. I love my crock pot and it wa sgiven to me as a birthday gift as it was on my wish list.

I got my crock pot 20 years ago as a wedding present. We hadn't registered for one, and my parents never used one when I was growing up. I graciously thanked the giver, packed it up to move into our new apartment, and didn't think much of it until we had kids. Lo and behold, that is the only wedding gift I every week.
 
I got my crock pot 20 years ago as a wedding present. We hadn't registered for one, and my parents never used one when I was growing up. I graciously thanked the giver, packed it up to move into our new apartment, and didn't think much of it until we had kids. Lo and behold, that is the only wedding gift I every week.

My sarcasm was just the love part with the warmer. I absolutely love my crock pot and am so glad it is crock pot season again.
 
Are you being obtuse or do you truly believe that your son being gay isn't part of the issue here?

Wow. What makes anyone think the problems "MUST" be gender related? Many families have the same issues, regardless of race, religion, sexual orientation, etc. Do you think, we are all REALLY that different? I would say, no...we're not. JMHO.

Remove the labels and put away the boxes. It makes problem solving a bit easier. ;)
 

Wow. What makes anyone think the problems "MUST" be gender related? Many families have the same issues, regardless of race, religion, sexual orientation, etc. Do you think, we are all REALLY that different? I would say, no...we're not. JMHO.

Remove the labels and put away the boxes. It makes problem solving a bit easier. ;)
No, it really doesn't.

http://uncw.edu/bglad/questions.html

Shouldn't we be focusing on unity, on the things we have in common, rather than what makes any of us different?

Rather than being divisive, acknowledging differences among people is actually a way of being more inclusive. Ignoring differences perpetuates ignorance and acts as a barrier to mutual understanding. In the past, differences such as sexual orientation have not only been ignored, but actively silenced. However, ignoring and repressing information about sexual orientation did not result in a society which was more unified, but a divided society in which people who are lesbian, gay, and bisexual have been excluded from policies, programs, activities, etc. because of their sexual orientation, have had to hide their identity, and have faced prejudice and discrimination. Ignoring differences prevents us from being enriched by people who are different from ourselves and benefiting from the contributions they have to offer based on their unique experiences.
 
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No, it really doesn't.

http://uncw.edu/bglad/questions.html

Shouldn't we be focusing on unity, on the things we have in common, rather than what makes any of us different?

Rather than being divisive, acknowledging differences among people is actually a way of being more inclusive. Ignoring differences perpetuates ignorance and acts as a barrier to mutual understanding. In the past, differences such as sexual orientation have not only been ignored, but actively silenced. However, ignoring and repressing information about sexual orientation did not result in a society which was more unified, but a divided society in which people who are lesbian, gay, and bisexual have been excluded from policies, programs, activities, etc. because of their sexual orientation, have had to hide their identity, and have faced prejudice and discrimination. Ignoring differences prevents us from being enriched by people who are different from ourselves and benefiting from the contributions they have to offer based on their unique experiences.
OMG. I like "different", it makes an otherwise boring world, quite interesting. Who said anyone should ignore, what makes another unique? I don't believe, that's what I said AT ALL. Good grief...and good night!
 
OMG. I like "different", it makes an otherwise boring world, quite interesting. Who said anyone should ignore, what makes another unique? I don't believe, that's what I said AT ALL. Good grief...and good night!
Actually, that's exactly what you said.

"Do you think we are all really that different? I would say no" - ???

"Remove the labels and put away the boxes" - ???

I'm not sure how to read that any way other than "ignore the fact that the issue is rooted in the son's sexual orientation and treat it the same as if he doesn't want to come home because he doesn't like OP's potpourri."
 
Wow. What makes anyone think the problems "MUST" be gender related? Many families have the same issues, regardless of race, religion, sexual orientation, etc. Do you think, we are all REALLY that different? I would say, no...we're not. JMHO.

Remove the labels and put away the boxes. It makes problem solving a bit easier. ;)

If she wasn't trying so hard to ignore the labels, I wouldn't assume it was sexuality related(which is completely different from gender). And since she is outright refusing to answer questions about it, I'm pretty sure that's a big part of the problem.
 
I think the fact that you have a few hours with your son and his partner is actually a sign that they may want to build a relationship with you. That is a good thing. Try to make it light, casual, welcoming. Maybe a less formal meal, and a gift to the two of them together would be great. Ask your son what they like to do in the free time. Movies, shows, museum memberships. One of those would be a great gift.
 
If she wasn't trying so hard to ignore the labels, I wouldn't assume it was sexuality related(which is completely different from gender). And since she is outright refusing to answer questions about it, I'm pretty sure that's a big part of the problem.

She addressed it, and I think people persisting in suppositions are now badgering the OP.
 
She addressed it, and I think people persisting in suppositions are now badgering the OP.

She addressed the fact that her son is gay, she continues to ignore questions that ask if that is the reason her son is pulling away.
 
OP----others seem to recall you using the term "girlfriend" when your other son's now wife lived with him. I would encourage you to really stop and think a moment. Did you use "girlfriend" comfortably about the one son's partner in a way you are not comfortable using "boyfriend" now? Are you as likely to talk about this son and his boyfriend and use gender when doing so here, with friends, at church, etc as you were when it was the other son and his girlfriend?
My guess is that you might be, entirely unconsciously, showing your disapproval for your son and his relationship in these simple ways. And that might be making it harder to have that kind of close relationship you want to have with him.

I would encourage you to really stop and take a deep look at the words you use (and don't use) and how you talk about things and see if you can maybe make a conscious effort to realize when what you are doing might be hurtful to your son without you having even realized it before---and then if it is, make a real effort to change. It's hard--but often it is those little things that have the biggest impact and show the most true caring to someone else, and you clearly love your son, so I am sure you can do it if you try.

And back to whether the person your son is dating is a boyfriend, significant other, partner, etc-----well, what does your son call him? And if you are not sure, just ask your son--tell him you realized you were not really sure what made the most sense and want to use whatever term they use and are comfortable with. That, right there, asking what they want and honoring it, can really be big step, IMO.
Or, along those lines, letting them know that this is not something you are used to talking about and having in your life and vocabulary and you realize you might say the wrong things or leave things out sometimes, but that you really do not want to and if that happens you would appreciate them letting you know so you can change--again that sends a very different message than them possibly thinking you are intentionally hiding that your son is gay by not mentioning gender, etc.

(and basically the exact same thing would apply if the issue is actually that your son now follows a different faith than you, etc)
 
She addressed the fact that her son is gay, she continues to ignore questions that ask if that is the reason her son is pulling away.

Do you think continuing to bring it up is going to give you whatever response it is you want from the op? It seems not.
 
Actually, that's exactly what you said.

"Do you think we are all really that different? I would say no" - ???

"Remove the labels and put away the boxes" - ???

I'm not sure how to read that any way other than "ignore the fact that the issue is rooted in the son's sexual orientation and treat it the same as if he doesn't want to come home because he doesn't like OP's potpourri."
Well, you will read it however you like...and then pick it apart. It's how it often works on the DIS. ;)

The folks I know, regardless of "the boxes checked", still may or may not, like their child's partner or the partner might not like their so/bf/gf/spouse's family. It happens, pretty often. I've even read about this on the DIS. I don't think, it matters, if they are tall/short/blonde/redhead/brunette/male/female/young/old/etc.. :eek:

It's funny, that you automatically blame the OP for "the issues". It's possible, "the problem" is not OP's at all. Perhaps, they are not the one, who's intolerant...not accepting. It's just an assumption on the part of some...over a pronoun. Maybe, it's the reason it was originally omitted? ;)
 
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The folks I know, regardless of "the boxes checked", still may or may not, like their child's partner or the partner might not like their so/bf/gf/spouse's family. It happens, pretty often. I've even read about this on the DIS. I don't think, it matters, if they are tall/short/blonde/redhead/brunette/male/female/young/od/etc.. :eek:

It's funny, that you automatically blame the OP for "the issues". It's possible, "the problem" is not OP's at all. Perhaps, they are not the one, who's intolerant...not accepting. It's just an assumption on the part of some...over a pronoun. Maybe, it's the reason it was originally omitted? ;)
If I could reach through the computer I'd hug you.
 
Well, they live together, so call me old fashioned but that's more than boyfriend.

I have no problem with SO or partner. That's what my DH and I used for many years before we got married. What people have been picking up on isn't that you used the term SO, but you used to an extent that seemed to dance around identifying the gender of your son's SO (sort of the way I just did, consciously). But that's water under the bridge now, so I'd hope everyone will move on, back to being helpful instead of critical.

When I was your son's age (a long time ago), I observed that young gay men had a tendency to move in together far sooner that straight couples. That's an ironic result of how societal expectations worked back then, and to a degree now: It was ok for two guys in their 20s to be roommates, but for a young man and woman to share an apartment, even if their relationship was strictly platonic, was scandalous.

I point this out because it's tricky to apply our expectations about the progression of relationships to a younger generation (gay or straight). I'd give more weight to the time they've been seeing each other than to the act of moving in together, but either way, I wouldn't raise the specific issue of how serious they are with them. They may not be sure themselves of where they stand, but they'll surely get defensive if it's questioned out of the blue. Instead, just ask your son (or the two together) which term they prefer, be happy about the answer, and then use that term whenever appropriate.
 
Well, you will read it however you like...and then pick it apart. It's how it often works on the DIS. ;)

The folks I know, regardless of "the boxes checked", still may or may not, like their child's partner or the partner might not like their so/bf/gf/spouse's family. It happens, pretty often. I've even read about this on the DIS. I don't think, it matters, if they are tall/short/blonde/redhead/brunette/male/female/young/od/etc.. :eek:

It's funny, that you automatically blame the OP for "the issues". It's possible, "the problem" is not OP's at all. Perhaps, they are not the one, who's intolerant...not accepting. It's just an assumption on the part of some...over a pronoun. Maybe, it's the reason it was originally omitted? ;)
When I first came out to my mother, one of the first questions she asked was "Is he Jewish?" So yeah, there's a lot more involved. As an undergraduate, before I came out, it was a bit of a joke that my parents would be happier with me marrying a black woman who was Jewish than a white woman who wasn't. It was also totally true - that's the way my parents were, and my memories of them are a blessing.

In any event, the original question wasn't "how to fix the growing rift". That question has been answered (family therapy), I doubt an internet forum can come up with a better answer except by luck, and berating people into seeing things that they may not be seeing themselves (and which may or may not be there, since we don't have a complete picture) is a job best left to professionals.

The original question was "how to cope." It may help the OP to understand that pulling away is something that many young adults do - gay, straight, single, partnered, it doesn't matter. Other people have already chimed in with comments about how their own children added a bit of distance, or how they added distance with their parents.

It happens. It's common, but not universal. And no matter what we say about it, parents will still feel sad. You can't have children (or spouses) without risking sadness and disappointment, but that doesn't mean an end to the joy (though it may seem like it at times). So, pat fan, it's ok to cry when the kids grow up. He's not your little boy any more, but he's still your son, and he's still in your life, in spite of having a life of his own.

I'll just add that holidays are stressful. So much so that a quick web search turns up numerous hits from serious sites. A nice gift is a good idea, but otherwise I'd suggest waiting to mid-January to ask your son and his partner to come over for a casual dinner, or if that can't work, to take them both out. Keep in mind that your son's bf may have his own experiences and expectations about what "parents are like", and if they're negative, it will take a lot of time and patience to overcome them.

PS: I don't know about the crock pot. When I came out to my mother, I came home with a food processor, and that's one appliance that I still use; it was another running joke. But when we moved to a smaller house, I dumped my crockpot, because a covered casserole dish and an oven that will maintain a low temperature is a perfectly good substitute.
 
If she wasn't trying so hard to ignore the labels, I wouldn't assume it was sexuality related(which is completely different from gender). And since she is outright refusing to answer questions about it, I'm pretty sure that's a big part of the problem.

To me, it also seems very clear, from the way she posts, that the OP is just not comfortable with the gay/same-gender thing.
That really can hardly be ignored.
She went thru some pretty great lengths to avoid and skirt the issue, and refuse to comment about it.

True, she could be uncomfortable because of other issues... (religion, race, economic situation, lifestyle, etc...)
And, those kinds of things could be factors as well.
I continue to believe that clinging to a parent-child dynamic is also a possible factor.
But, I do think it is fair to think that the same-gender thing is a very big part of the 'distance' that she seems to feel between her and her son.

I am NOT judging here, AT ALL.
Feelings are always valid.
But, if.. IF... this is a factor, I think that the OP is going to have to find a way to get past it before she will be able to see any improvement in her relationship with her son.
 
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OP----others seem to recall you using the term "girlfriend" when your other son's now wife lived with him. I would encourage you to really stop and think a moment. Did you use "girlfriend" comfortably about the one son's partner in a way you are not comfortable using "boyfriend" now? Are you as likely to talk about this son and his boyfriend and use gender when doing so here, with friends, at church, etc as you were when it was the other son and his girlfriend?
My guess is that you might be, entirely unconsciously, showing your disapproval for your son and his relationship in these simple ways. And that might be making it harder to have that kind of close relationship you want to have with him.

I would encourage you to really stop and take a deep look at the words you use (and don't use) and how you talk about things and see if you can maybe make a conscious effort to realize when what you are doing might be hurtful to your son without you having even realized it before---and then if it is, make a real effort to change. It's hard--but often it is those little things that have the biggest impact and show the most true caring to someone else, and you clearly love your son, so I am sure you can do it if you try.

And back to whether the person your son is dating is a boyfriend, significant other, partner, etc-----well, what does your son call him? And if you are not sure, just ask your son--tell him you realized you were not really sure what made the most sense and want to use whatever term they use and are comfortable with. That, right there, asking what they want and honoring it, can really be big step, IMO.
Or, along those lines, letting them know that this is not something you are used to talking about and having in your life and vocabulary and you realize you might say the wrong things or leave things out sometimes, but that you really do not want to and if that happens you would appreciate them letting you know so you can change--again that sends a very different message than them possibly thinking you are intentionally hiding that your son is gay by not mentioning gender, etc.

(and basically the exact same thing would apply if the issue is actually that your son now follows a different faith than you, etc)
This is such great advice. I always enjoy your posts about your daughter and the pride that comes through the computer screen. She seems to be a self-confident, happy and successful woman, which I would believe has to do quite a bit with your total acceptance.
 
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It happens. It's common, but not universal. And no matter what we say about it, parents will still feel sad. You can't have children (or spouses) without risking sadness and disappointment, but that doesn't mean an end to the joy (though it may seem like it at times). So, pat fan, it's ok to cry when the kids grow up. He's not your little boy any more, but he's still your son, and he's still in your life, in spite of having a life of his own.

Love, LOVE, LOVE this!
 


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