Housekeeping Trouble

This isn't a matter of humanity, kindness or timeshare contracts. Norovirus and similar illnesses that cause guests to puke are highly contagious. They can get hotels and cruise lines in a lot of trouble. I suspect that DVC's lawyers would have a fit if they learned that mousekeeping wasn't bagging/bleaching vomit-soaked linens immediately. And I suspect that policies about this are already in place but are not being consistently followed by the staff. So I'm the umpteenth person to say "Tell the whole story to DVC management." It's in their business best interest (which also means your best interest as share-holders) to make sure this stops happening.

YEAH THAT! Word! Totally! Etc.!

This thread has been enlightening. Thanks to the OP for sharing and I'm sorry for your treatment and childsillness. :sick::sad2:

And I had to add now that I've read the whole thread:
The difference between home and a resort is no one is coming to my home to stay expect ME. How many of us would opt to stay in a room we KNEW just had vomit or similar in it and not been cleaned properly.

I'm glad there IS a SOP for these situations.
 
We, and the Disney company, sometimes forget one of the hallmarks of the gospel or business practices according to Walt Disney -- Plusing. Walt always wanted to give his guests more than what they expected. For example, when he would occasionally work in the Ice Cream Parlor at Disneyland he would give the biggest scoops of ice cream. Obviously the issue here is health, sanitation and common sense but the question in my mind is "What would Walt do?"
 
Whether there is a policy or not is in my opinion irrelevant.

I asked around to my housekeeping management contacts and everyone was in agreement that any guest be it DVC or not, is to be treated with respect and kindness during any illness, which would include cleaning the room and replacing towels at no cost.

I was told if any housekeeper does not provide that service please contact the housekeeping manager on duty and inform them you have a sick member of the family and the situation. Just be sure to make them aware this is due to the illness of a family member.
No one should quarrel with the idea that respect, courtesy and helpfulness are in order in this and other situations. The only issue I can see disagreement on here is whether formal rules should be altered for personal situations and my vote is a clear no. It's clear the OP didn't feel they were treated appropriately but we we're there so none of us can be sure one way or another.

Yeah, until you ran into a hallway full of towels with vomit on them because somebody didn't want to pay the "extra towel fee".

All I know is I hope Tiger926 is correct. Also, I hope that if a family needs some extra towels because their kid is sick I hope they get them free of charge.
But that can happen regardless and is not preventable by rule or exception to rule, whatever the official rule is in this situation. To be clear, my view is that rules should not be waived for personal situations, period. I would apply this philosophy far more broadly than just the discussion at hand. If there is a situations where it would be reasonable to alter a rule, it is simple to amend the rule appropriately. The problem with bending rules is they are never done consistently, of course Disney is nothing if not inconsistent.
 
We, and the Disney company, sometimes forget one of the hallmarks of the gospel or business practices according to Walt Disney -- Plusing. Walt always wanted to give his guests more than what they expected. For example, when he would occasionally work in the Ice Cream Parlor at Disneyland he would give the biggest scoops of ice cream. Obviously the issue here is health, sanitation and common sense but the question in my mind is "What would Walt do?"

What would Walt do? He'd make the company money or else there wouldn't be a company. He got cheated out of his first character and I'd bet he wouldn't be looking to losing any more money.
 

What would Walt do? He'd make the company money or else there wouldn't be a company. He got cheated out of his first character and I'd bet he wouldn't be looking to losing any more money.

"You reach a point where you don't work for money. Disneyland is not just another amusement park. It's unique, and I want it kept that way. Besides, you don't work for a dollar - you work to create and have fun"
--Walt Disney

"I knew if this business was ever to get anywhere, if this business was ever to grow, it could never do it by having to answer to someone unsympathetic to its possibilities, by having to answer to someone with only one thought or interest, namely profits. For my idea of how to make profits has differed greatly from those who generally control businesses such as ours. I have blind faith in the policy that quality, tempered with good judgment and showmanship, will win against all odds." —Walt Disney

"My business is making people, especially children, happy." —Walt Disney

I think Walt would have handled this housekeeping situation in a manner exceeding the requirements of the state and local health/sanitation regulations.

Walt hated that he had to acquiesce to a board of directors when the company went public. Hence he started a separate company, WED Enterprises, so he wouldn't have to get permission to follow through on innovations.

FYI: Walt's first successful animated character was "Julius" the cat in the Alice Comedies. This paved the wave for Oswald the Lucky Rabbit whom he lost to Charles B. Mintz through trademark ownership. Then Mintz lost the Oswald to Universal.
 
But that can happen regardless and is not preventable by rule or exception to rule, whatever the official rule is in this situation. To be clear, my view is that rules should not be waived for personal situations, period. I would apply this philosophy far more broadly than just the discussion at hand. If there is a situations where it would be reasonable to alter a rule, it is simple to amend the rule appropriately. The problem with bending rules is they are never done consistently, of course Disney is nothing if not inconsistent.


And sometimes common sense supercedes rules.
 
And sometimes common sense supercedes rules.

It should! :thumbsup2 And rules are good. But I think common sense is being bred out and people are insisting on rules ruling everything. I feel like the world is trying to fit every square peg into a round hole and it's just creating a bigger mess. As they say, you can't regulate common decency...but some try.
 
And sometimes common sense supercedes rules.
Rules should be based on common sense and changed if it becomes clear they are not. I would agree there may be times when at the point of attack it's clear that the rule is not appropriate and it MAY be appropriate to waive the rule at that point, IMO, this is not necessarily one of those situations. I don't know the absolute rule in an illness situation and it really doesn't affect my thinking one way or the other so lets assume for sake of discussion there isn't one and the only question is how are the towels being handled under the normal towel exchange rules. IMO there are responsibilities on both sides of such a phone call but lets further assume that the CM was very courteous, appropriate and helpful. That they offered to bring new bedding and that they offered to bring a towel pack but reminded them very courteously that there was a charge to do so and that they nicely reminded the caller that they did have the option of washing if they wanted. Thus the ONLY issue becomes whether there is a charge for the towel pack or not, which is ultimately the only place I differ from you I think. IF there is then a conflict that follows as to that charge I put the blame on the member for being petty and arguing with the cost, not Disney or DVC. Earlier you seemed to suggest this was a financial issue to me, that could not be further from the truth, it's a rule and consistency issue. I'd likely be the first to pay the charge for someone else in such a situation. Now if you get to someone who would not have known the rules up front such as a nonmember, I would feel less strongly about the situation.

Here's the ultimate issue to me. IMO, rules and consistency are more important than someone having to pay for a towel pack. The problem with waiving rules is it's done inconsistently on the whim of the CM and the inequity's that fall from that are far worse overall, IMO, than someone with a sick child having to follow the rules they knew up front.

Again, this is a hypothetical set up to clearly define my view and take away the other variables that may have been at work here which sounds to have included a less than magical CM which is an entirely different issue, IMO.
 
MY Dh got the stomach bug one year when we were at CS. He always made it to the bathroom but stayed in the room all day with a DND sign on the door so he could rest. I went to the parks with the kids and came back at dinner time. Mousekeeping had left a message on our room phone that they would like to clean the room, but with the DND sign on it they didn't come in.

I called them and explained that DH had been sick but now felt better and we were going out for a bite to eat and watch the fireworks. When we returned to our room, the room was spotless, the sheets and towels were all changed, it smelled of chlorox and we had turn down service with chocolates on the pillow and a towel animal. We did not request or expect this service, but it was a very nice surprise! :cool2:
 
I have read this entire thread and feel like I am going to be sick!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!I need to go sanitize my entire house or something!
 
Rules should be based on common sense and changed if it becomes clear they are not. I would agree there may be times when at the point of attack it's clear that the rule is not appropriate and it MAY be appropriate to waive the rule at that point, IMO, this is not necessarily one of those situations. I don't know the absolute rule in an illness situation and it really doesn't affect my thinking one way or the other so lets assume for sake of discussion there isn't one and the only question is how are the towels being handled under the normal towel exchange rules.

That's exactly why I didn't ask about "normal" towel exchanges. And if you would like to know the "rule" involving vomit soaked towels, or any other biohazard waste, you can call and ask a service manager and get the same answer we did.

I'm sorry that you don't think illness is "one of those situations" where towels should be exchanged for no charge, but Disney did once I spoke to someone who knew what they were talking about. I can assure you that if it happens to me again, I won't be paying for it. The service manager told me and my husband that we are not expected to wash or clean up after such an incident, and that we would not be charged.
 
That's exactly why I didn't ask about "normal" towel exchanges. And if you would like to know the "rule" involving vomit soaked towels, or any other biohazard waste, you can call and ask a service manager and get the same answer we did.

I'm sorry that you don't think illness is "one of those situations" where towels should be exchanged for no charge, but Disney did once I spoke to someone who knew what they were talking about. I can assure you that if it happens to me again, I won't be paying for it. The service manager told me and my husband that we are not expected to wash or clean up after such an incident, and that we would not be charged.
THAT is not at all what I said. To make this about compassion or lack of is simply bologna and a cop out in dealing with the discussion itself. What I said was that the rules should be followed, whatever they are, no more and no less. IF the rule is they exchange the towels for free for illness and it supersedes the towel exchange rule, then they should do so, if not then they should not. My point was and is simply, that the rules should not be left to the whims of a given CM to use, abuse and waive as they see fit. That the rules are more important than the individual in this and most situations and if the rule is not a good rule, it should be changed appropriately.

On a side note, I've said several times over the years that it is my belief that the towel charge should be altered in general for studios due to the limitations of the laundry issue and that a centralized towel exchange should be allowed to some degree for all guests.
 
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Thank you in advance.
 
The OP was in a studio and did not have a washer and dryer in their studio to wash the items. So someone with a sick kids is expected to wash their own towels which would result in leaving a sick kid in the room while she goes to the laundry. What if all the machines are in use and can not be launder right away.
I find that uncalled for. Yes this is a timeshare but if you do not have the means to launder you items in your room then it should be Mousekeeping duty to step in and help.
Hello we have an outbreak of H1N1 going around, you think they would have been more helpful.
I would have complained right then and there to the manager on duty.
 
The OP was in a studio and did not have a washer and dryer in their studio to wash the items. So someone with a sick kids is expected to wash their own towels which would result in leaving a sick kid in the room while she goes to the laundry. What if all the machines are in use and can not be launder right away.
I find that uncalled for. Yes this is a timeshare but if you do not have the means to launder you items in your room then it should be Mousekeeping duty to step in and help.
Hello we have an outbreak of H1N1 going around, you think they would have been more helpful.
I would have complained right then and there to the manager on duty.
That is exactly why I feel the policy should be changed for studios in general. Others have suggested that there is a policy for such a situation that was not followed, on that I do not know and thus can't speak to, but if so, it should have been followed. And I agree that sending one to wash in the middle of the night is not appropriate when there are other alternatives, however there are other alternatives in this situation which include a towel pack being delivered to the villa. My only point of contention is simply that IF a charge for that towel pack is applicable (not superseded by other policies), it should not be waived for personal circumstances on the whim of a CM.
 
I am confident many of the WDW policies and rules are altered on a daily basis. Rules are important to have, but this is a resort, not a jail. Life is messy and I'd rather spend my money at a resort that understands illness, accidents and sometimes death happens and that they will repond in a sympathetic and effective manner, and yes bend the rules if it reasonable to do so. Disney has provided this to our family with very good consistency and I'll continue to pay a premium to vacation there. I expect alot and so far, have been very pleased in the 20+ years we have been vacationing there. The stackable dryers are quite inefficient and of course studios don't even have them. If there is a chance of noro virus, precautions should be taken. It appears that basic precautions were not followed here.
 
We've gotten sick several times. The one time I recall we were at the BWV. I called HS and asked what my options were. I would up stripping the bed and leaving the sheets and towels in the hallway (in a garbage bag). I then purchased a towel pack and they gave us new sheets. I did the changing of the beds...I believe they charged us the towel pack price. I have also been there when both children were sick with different viruses. They provided us a blow up mattress (and waved the fee) so that they did not sllep together and spread germs.
 
We arrived at BWV for a stay 4 1/2 years ago right after our Wonder cruise. DD had been quarantined on the ship due to virus and we arrived hoping our room was ready, which it was not. We waited many hours in the BWV lobby with no choice other than to sit and wait with DD still ill.

I took care of our room, cleaning up what was necessary myself. Had I required new towels, or a full cleaning service, I would have expected to pay for such.

On the ship, I did not expect to pay as housekeeping was included.

I think the offer of housekeeping to provide complimentary services to DVC guests was very nice, but not mandatory. Just my opinion, but everyone is also entitled to theirs as well. :)
 
I just saw this thread, interestingly, we're at Wilderness Lodge Villas right now and my son got sick last night, I called Housekeeping for help with the mess and they sent someone up right away to clean the carpet and they gave us a ton of towels and extra sheets for the beds, I just called looking for suggestions on dealing with the mess and they immediately offered to take care of it, no mention of any charges, I guess I'll wait to see the bill at checkout. :confused3
 















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