Hillary Supporters unite....no bashing please! only smiles

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Of course race is an issue. One of the exit polls last night on CNN (maybe) said that 92% of blacks voted for Obama. I think there are more black voters voting FOR Obama because he is black than white voters NOT voting for him because he is. Whether we, as open-minded DISers, would like to think race and/or gender isn't an issue, IT IS and thats the reality.

ETA: I'm going to regret ever posting this but here it goes....if Obama were a white man, he would be a candidate that RAN for President.

A co-worker was telling me this morning about a guy on the radio (a black man) who's a Clinton supporter and that - I believe it was yesterday? - quit after 12 years at his job. He said that the harassment from blacks that were furious that he was a black man not supporting Obama was getting to be too much for him to handle anymore so he quit.

I’ve seen a few headlines pop up here and there about black Clinton supporters getting harassed in the past couple of months by fellow blacks, but to be honest, I haven’t paid that much attention to the stories to offer more details now.

A black person harassing another black person just because they will not vote for Obama since Obama is black is, to me, just as bad as a white person not voting for Obama for the sole reason that Obama is black. Both scenarios make this about race – the color of Obama’s skin - and this election should have nothing to do with one’s skin color but it should be about Obama the person.
 
I heard it on one news outlet today, but CNN is reporting otherwise. I guess it all depends on who they polled or how they asked the question.

I don't know if they asked any Obama voters whether gender factored into their decision-but it would be interesting to know that. I wonder how Obama or McCain will benefit from people who wouldn't vote for a woman.

Both are discriminatory, but we'd have to be naive to think that race and gender aren't determining factors for a larger group of voters than we'd like.

I know, I'm not naive ... I just like to be optimistic that people really aren't as hateful and narrow-minded as people really can be out there. But I do understand that both race and gender have played a role for some people in this election - I just like to wish it was otherwise.
 
A co-worker was telling me this morning about a guy on the radio (a black man) who's a Clinton supporter and that - I believe it was yesterday? - quit after 12 years at his job. He said that the harassment from blacks that were furious that he was a black man not supporting Obama was getting to be too much for him to handle anymore so he quit.

I’ve seen a few headlines pop up here and there about black Clinton supporters getting harassed in the past couple of months by fellow blacks, but to be honest, I haven’t paid that much attention to the stories to offer more details now.

A black person harassing another black person just because they will not vote for Obama since Obama is black is, to me, just as bad as a white person not voting for Obama for the sole reason that Obama is black. Both scenarios make this about race – the color of Obama’s skin - and this election should have nothing to do with one’s skin color but it should be about Obama the person.

I've heard similar stories about women over 40 being harassed by other women for NOT supporting Hillary. It's as though those of us who lived through the 70's are obligated to vote for Hillary because of her gender. It's nice that she's female, but the reason I have her sign in my signature is not because she's a woman-it's because she will deal with issues that matter to me. The fact that she's female is icing on the cake.
 
Is this still the Hillary thread? Or did I wander into the wrong thread by accident? Wow, so much debate.

Some of you from the other side do understand that people have the right to vote for whoever they wish don't you? I'm a little flabbergasted by some of this.
 

I've heard similar stories about women over 40 being harassed by other women for NOT supporting Hillary. It's as though those of us who lived through the 70's are obligated to vote for Hillary because of her gender. It's nice that she's female, but the reason I have her sign in my signature is not because she's a woman-it's because she will deal with issues that matter to me. The fact that she's female is icing on the cake.
That's where I am. To show how little that meant to me, I originally supported John Edwards.

And to anyone else, I will NOT explain why.
 
I just read a little more here and some of the Obama thread. Can I say "go away"? I know that they don't have to and can post anywhere but it makes me feel better. Right now I feel pretty upset with a few of them and I don't like that.
 
Side note-I really was upset to hear that 7/10 Hillary voters in PA said race was a factor in their selection. Everyone has a right to the candidate of their choice, of course-but it makes me sad that in 2008 race is still a factor. I don't know if they asked Obama voters if gender was a factor-I'd be interested in those results.

Where did you read this? :confused3

That's not what some of you are saying. Some of you had said the SC is a non-issue. I agree if someone thinks that HIllary or Obama is the anti-christ they should not vote for them. But to say the SC does not matter is to be disengenious about what a Republican win can mean.

The argument coming from the Hillary camp is that come November South Carolina will, as always, go Republican. Sooooooooooooo regardless of who wins there in a primary its a moot point.
AGAIN...remember that the GE is WINNER TAKE ALL from each state.


ETA: I'm going to regret ever posting this but here it goes....if Obama were a white man, he would be a candidate that RAN for President.

Hey are you really Geraldine? :lmao:
I gotta say too that by Barack being Black, has helped him way more than he has hurt him.

Some guy with green hair. :lmao:

:eek: They gotta take a number! :laughing:

So, I finally decided I won't vote for Hillary if she gets the nomination. Her crying to get votes, whining about the media, and constant negativity has disgusted me beyond belief. Now that some of you here have pointed out that McCain really is not the worst outcome of this election, I can finally feel good about not voting for the Democratic candidate.

Whatever!:confused3

Came across this from Huffington Post - which is slightly off putting.......

I wonder if I'm considered part of the white working class? If so - I've voted democratic my whole life (except the John Anderson year.....)


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/23/obama-strategist-dont-wor_n_98301.html

They are called the "Reagan Democrats".....If the Democrat candidate is too liberal they will vote for the GOP candidate. However that was 29 years ago, not too sure if that still holds true.

ps I voted for Anderson too!:woohoo: :lmao: Ohhhhhh to be young again and believe that a candidate can be elected for "CHANGE" again!
Good times, Good times!:rotfl2:
 
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I just read a little more here and some of the Obama thread. Can I say "go away"? I know that they don't have to and can post anywhere but it makes me feel better. Right now I feel pretty upset with a few of them and I don't like that.

:flower3:

Ya want me to go over and give 'um a piece of my mind????;)
 
I just read a little more here and some of the Obama thread. Can I say "go away"? I know that they don't have to and can post anywhere but it makes me feel better. Right now I feel pretty upset with a few of them and I don't like that.

I canceled my subscription to that thread last month so I wouldn't read thread remarks that popped up in my e-mail anymore and I've resisted going into that thread since then also. They are entitled to their opinions – that is their right – but, like you, I wish that they would leave it to their thread.

Things have gotten pretty nasty as this continues to drag on and it’s becoming obvious to me that a lot of the issues I have with Obama and the Obama supporters; they have the exact same issues with Hillary and Hillary supporters. For example, they feel that Clinton is arrogant and has entitlement issues – I feel the exact same way about Obama. They feel that this thread has a serious problem with bashing Obama and being negative, I feel that the Obama thread has a serious problem with bashing Clinton and being negative.

Nothing good has resulted by Obama supporters getting upset in the Clinton thread and Clinton supporters getting upset in the Obama thread (to be honest, since I don’t go into the Obama thread any longer, I don’t have a clue as to how many Clinton supporters post there).
 
I'm a little more upset that someone posts a 'fact' on a message board and other people accept it as fact without looking it up.

80% of people in the CNN exit polls said race wasn't a factor.

But 5 out of 7 Obama supporters believe in human sacrifice.

Oh, and I finally read this after posting my other stuff. That gives me hope for humanity. The other statistic posted just made me sad.. there's no hope in hate.
 
I just read a little more here and some of the Obama thread. Can I say "go away"? I know that they don't have to and can post anywhere but it makes me feel better. Right now I feel pretty upset with a few of them and I don't like that.

I don't want to say "go away" - but I wonder if they know that we (the Hillary supporters here) feel like we are being "attacked" because we're supporting our candidate...... We have such nerve - don't we? ;)

Yes, maybe she'll lose. But she still has my support until (hopefully never ;) ) that happens.
 
Gee, the other day when someone tried to clarify facts, they got their heads handed to them here. I just figured it wasn't necessary to research facts, because they really don't matter anyway. ;)

I have no idea what facts you're talking about.

But the idea that about 880,000 people voted for Clinton in Penn. based on her race is pretty insulting and absurd.

Here are some real facts from the CNN exit polls for what they're worth. About 16 percent of whites said they voted based on race, while about 30 percent of blacks
 
How many delegates did Hillary get with the PA win? I tried to Google it.
 
:offtopic: And since I’ve obviously have had no problem with jumping on this thread and posting my opinions tonight, wanted or not :rolleyes: , I might as well continue on with my posting spree and give a ‘Hi’ to Hound.

:wave2:

I was beginning to wonder what happened to you. Glad to see that you’re still strong in your support of Hillary.

OK.. I'll be quite now.
 
:offtopic: And since I’ve obviously have had no problem with jumping on this thread and posting my opinions tonight, wanted or not :rolleyes: , I might as well continue on with my posting spree and give a ‘Hi’ to Hound.

:wave2:

I was beginning to wonder what happened to you. Glad to see that you’re still strong in your support of Hillary.

OK.. I'll be quite now.
Please don't be quiet. I normally love hearing opinions of all kinds both pro and con - I just can't handle attacks which is why I made a few whiny posts.

I'm over my snit now though. All is good. :flower3:
 
This is for all the Obama supporters who are so 'concerned' that our Hillary had no $.....

Clinton's donations surge after Pennsylvania victory:thumbsup2

Hillary Rodham Clinton parlayed her campaign-saving primary victory into a fundraising bonanza Wednesday in the Democratic presidential race. Rival Barack Obama, his delegate lead intact, said, "We just keep on plugging away."

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=4712837
 
Please don't be quiet. I normally love hearing opinions of all kinds both pro and con - I just can't handle attacks which is why I made a few whiny posts.

I'm over my snit now though. All is good. :flower3:

Good, you're not the "snitty" type. :goodvibes
 
It's Time for the Obama Camp (and the NY Times) to Stop Whining and Start Winning

..every single prominent talking head on CNN and MSNBC acknowledged the significance of this win, the Obama camp, and the NY Times in a blistering editorial Wednesday, have trashed Clinton and reduced Tuesday's results as anything but. It's time to face facts here. And the simple fact is, she is winning and he is not. Obama's popularity clearly peaked win February winning streak. Since then, it's been all Hillary.

To be sure, a Democrat cannot string together consecutive wins in California, NJ, NY, Massachusetts, Texas, Ohio and Pennsylvania without being taken seriously as an extremely viable candidate. And get this: you can be sure that at some point very soon voters in both Michigan and Florida--two big states sure to rally behind Clinton--will have their voices counted as well. Anyone who thinks the Democratic Party is going to nominate a candidate and send them into a general election after disenfranchising voters in two key states is terribly mistaken

Make no mistake: Obama is a fine man, a brilliant thinker, and would likely make for a great president. But he's one lousy candidate. He can blame no one but himself and his handlers for failing to close the deal with voters. For failing to use his huge 10-state win on Feb 5th to build successful momentum in his campaign against Clinton. For failing to truly unite Democrats; he simply cannot, despite pouring buckets of money and time into the race, appeal to working class white voters who comprise most of the Democrats' historical base.

She won by an impressive 10% margin, which is what every pundit said she needed in order to prove her viability going forward. Sure, the Obama camp is discounting that by saying the lead "was 20%" a couple of months ago, but by that same analogy then, Obama's popularity peaked months ago as well. Can't have it both ways, Obama-cans. If we're gonna judge Hillary today against the backdrop of her past "highs," then looking at how Obama's fallen to Earth lately, we should stop the race now and give her the nomination.

He had it all going for him, but still could not nail it.

In two weeks we'll have Indiana, where Clinton is up about 2%.....and North Carolina, with is large black vote, showing a huge 15% lead for Obama. If Clinton can pull off another impressive win in Indiana--where she has the key support of the highly respected Sen. Evan Bayh--her obvious momentum continues. With regard to Obama's inability to crossover, less significant will be his expected win in North Carolina

In North Carolina, rumor has it Elizabeth Edwards is going to campaign for and with Clinton. If true, who knows what effect that could have on the election

After these contests, she'd have just about caught up to Obama. There's also the current corruption scandal in Puerto Rico involving Gov. Anibal Acevedo, a Democratic super-delegate who has pledged support to Obama. The commonwealth could see its 63 delegates go to Clinton as a result. Voters there typically follow the Governor's lead, but his indictment could change all that.

if Clinton wins the nomination, she will not only capture the base--white working class women, seniors and Hispanics--but she will very likely win much of the black vote as well. They simply will not vote for the GOP's presumptive nominee Sen. John McCain. She may not get Obama's youth vote, but guess what? The youth vote never matters for anything. They never vote. Every candidate in recent memory has won without them. That leaves the affluent and educated, not exactly a huge constituency when it's time to close the curtain in November. Hillary can easily win without them

http://ostroyreport.blogspot.com/2008/04/its-time-for-obama-camp-and-ny-times-to.html
 
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