Hillary Supporters unite....no bashing please! only smiles

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I feel much the same way right now. I will vote for him if I have to but I won't be enthused. I hope to change that feeling somehow.

Exactly.

I really, really don't think the shrill, arrogant and over the top Obama supporters are doing him any favors. I think his camp has forgotton that they will need the Clinton base to win this thing.

I just fear above fear that the democrats will once again snatch defeat from the jaws of victory and then where will we be?
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Exactly.

I really, really don't think the shrill, arrogant and over the top Obama supporters are doing him any favors. I think his camp has forgotton that they will need the Clinton base to win this thing.

I just fear above fear that the democrats will once again snatch defeat from the jaws of victory and then where will we be?
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I don't want to denigrate all Obama supporters - but a good majority feel that Clinton supporters will just fall in line (all over the net - not just here). I know several fellow Clinton supporters that are voting for McCain if she doesn't win the nod. I tried reasoning with one today (at work).

I, too, fear that the dems will be overconfident - not predict the many false terror alerts the Bush Administration will conduct, and victory will be in John McCain's grasp........
 
I don't want to denigrate all Obama supporters - but a good majority feel that Clinton supporters will just fall in line (all over the net - not just here). I know several fellow Clinton supporters that are voting for McCain if she doesn't win the nod. I tried reasoning with one today (at work).

I, too, fear that the dems will be overconfident - not predict the many false terror alerts the Bush Administration will conduct, and victory will be in John McCain's grasp........

Any Clinton supporter that ends up voting for McCain probably wasn't supporting Clinton because of her stands on the issues.
 
Any Clinton supporter that ends up voting for McCain probably wasn't supporting Clinton because of her stands on the issues.
I don't know if I agree. I definitely like Hillary more because of issues but I have to fight anger and a bit of rebellion against Obama constantly. I think that some people are just really angry but hopefully will simmer down given time.

Another thing: Hillary is at least thought to be more moderate than Obama. McCain is also considered by many to be moderate so McCain could theoretically appeal more to some moderates than the more Liberal Obama. I think that this would usually only apply to Independents though.
 

Hillary looks tired, she's such a strong woman but you can tell this is getting her down.

I know I should be doing a happy dance that Bush is on his way out, but I'm so seriously irritated by this whole thing, right now that it's almost depressing! If I have one more Obama person get in my face and try to blow his sunshine and hope up my bum I'm going to go postal!
 
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Russert's questions are all about him. Watch me trip up the politician.......

He doesn't ask questions most Americans want answers to.......

Yes, I agree -- what does it take to get across to these talking heads that the candidates are the story, not them?
 
NBC News net analysis:

From NBC's Chuck Todd
Phew, the entire debate had a very tense feel; a combination of two very competitive Democratic candidates and two very tough questioners. Both candidates were put on the spot and survived. Clinton came armed with her own material, from hits on Obama's record and tried to keep Obama on the defensive, but again he survived. Obama probably had more negative YouTube moments than Clinton, because of the initial waffle on the Farrkhan answer (though he did clean it up pretty well) and his look to Clinton to answer the question first. It was clear Obama didn't want first dibs on that question; Neither candidate seemed comfortable enough to say the guy's name but Clinton tried, Obama didn't even do that.

Overall, it's hard to see this debate as changing the trajectory of this race; Obama was a bit more defensive tonight than last week and had more stumbles tonight than in more recent encounters. Clinton really flubbed that "SNL" line and she did so early so it made it into a bunch of writeups; she should have saved it until it was more appropriate. It was a contentious debate, but civil; and both will probably be better nominees for it.

It's hard to pick a winner; Clinton was more prepared but Obama survived and that's probably the name of the game for him at this late date in the campaign.

We'll have more thoughts later but for now, good night from Cleveland.

Doesn't seem really fair does it? I guess its an advantage the front runner has - surviving = winning?

Oh well - I am still proud of her fighting on..........
 
Yes keep on fighting. I will definitely say that I admire her more than ever now. She is a fighter.
 
Hillary looks tired, she's such a strong woman but you can tell this is getting her down.

I know I should be doing a happy dance that Bush is on his way out, but I'm so seriously irritated by this whole thing, right now that it's almost depressing! If I have one more Obama person get in my face and try to blow his sunshine and hope up my bum I'm going to go postal!

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It is isn't it...sometimes I wish I was oblivious to it all, as some friends are that don't like politics...but I do so I get front and center. I cant handle all the Obama love either :lmao: I think as you mentioned if they did not get into your face about it all the time it would be fine. My friends here that have the Obama love don't share it with me as some others have but we do laugh about it...and just tonight during the debate my best friend and I were at a school meeting and we were talking about how we were missing the debate so I leaned over to her and asked her (as I made kissing motions with my mouth) if she wanted some Obama love to hold her off till she got home to watch...

she slapped me on the arm and said...I would but not from a Hillary supporter...and we started laughing .....and kept it up the whole hr....I would make kissing sounds during the meeting of 200 people....she kept laughing...:love:
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she gets how I feel and she e-mails me and ends it with GO OBAMA...and I type back to here .....Woman hater ..man lover.....GO HILLARY because she ROCKS!!!!

I find the shoving from some on the threads and some that think he is KING...my girl friend and I keep the angry politics out of it because we both realize that it could get ugly and hurt our friendship and that would be the worst!

Sometimes I wish that I had caught the Obama bug so I can see what all the hubbub is about:rotfl: ....I feel so left out :sad1: .....NOT :upsidedow

Anyways...am going to watch the debate. My DH seems to think that Obama did better than Hillary but he's a REP what does he know:rotfl2:

He is a REP voting for Hillary however so he cant be all that bad :hug:
 
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Sometimes I wish that I had caught the Obama bug so I can see what all the hubbub is about:rotfl: ....I feel so left out :sad1: .....NOT :upsidedow

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I'm getting pro Obama emails from my GRANDMOTHER! :scared1: My mom says I have to be nice and not tell her she's turning into a crazy old woman, but it's really hard! ;)

I'm looking forward to the county convention, one of my husbands co-workers will be there too, for Obama. :rotfl2: :rotfl: :scared1:
 
One of the radio morning shows apparently interviewed Obama this morning. I didn't get to hear the interview but did hear one of the calls from a listener

**Disclaimer: I realize this doesn't describe every Obama supporter **

She called in because she was mad that she had already early voted for Hillary and listening to Obama she regreted her decision. The DJ asked her several times why? what specifically did he say that made you think he's the better candidate?

Her answer? "He's so nice! He's so nice." Over and over, that was the only answer she could give. Nothing about policy, nothing about his ability to lead.... just "he's so nice!"

I wanted to reach through the radio and smack the silly twit. Vote for whoever you want, but at least do your homework. Have a reason better then... He's so nice!

I got an email yesterday from a friend and her comments about Hillary and women were so great I wanted to share them:

My problem, I see misogyny built into our culture. It's interwoven among the threads. She's forced to vote pro-military/action...because it is the only alternative opened to her, the no vote means automatically, "weak woman."

If she votes no, will the public support her...or are they susceptible to the misogyny, built into the system, they're not even aware of...

The flocking of young women to Obama feels very weird to me. Have they not seen the beating up of Hillary Clinton on radio and television every day, most of their lives. The woman has been under fire, taking punches for 16 years, every day, millions of dollars have been made punching Hillary...some of the worst misogynistic negative archetypes...and she's still standing. I'd like someone to show me another woman in American history who has taken on the boys club with such success. Every and any woman with the chance to become president will be "Hillary Clinton." We'll never have a woman, they will all be "Hillary Clinton's" or "weak women." Those are the choices.
 
Did anyone see Hillary on Ellen yesterday? It was a really nice moment.

Was that an official endorsement of Hillary for Ellen?
 
I wanted to reach through the radio and smack the silly twit. Vote for whoever you want, but at least do your homework. Have a reason better then... He's so nice!

Unfortunately, the majority of Americans will vote for the guy they want to have a beer with, ergo we get 8 years of W.
 
One of the radio morning shows apparently interviewed Obama this morning. I didn't get to hear the interview but did hear one of the calls from a listener

**Disclaimer: I realize this doesn't describe every Obama supporter **

She called in because she was mad that she had already early voted for Hillary and listening to Obama she regreted her decision. The DJ asked her several times why? what specifically did he say that made you think he's the better candidate?

Her answer? "He's so nice! He's so nice." Over and over, that was the only answer she could give. Nothing about policy, nothing about his ability to lead.... just "he's so nice!"

I wanted to reach through the radio and smack the silly twit. Vote for whoever you want, but at least do your homework. Have a reason better then... He's so nice!

I got an email yesterday from a friend and her comments about Hillary and women were so great I wanted to share them:

I so totally agree with your friend. Also - Hillary had to vote to authorize force in case Sadaam did not allow the inspectors back in - the terrorists who attacked us - were in her OWN back yard.

I did not agree with the war - and said a prayer the night it happened that they better find weapons of mass destruction - or we'll never be believed again.......

And history speaks for itself........
 
This is sad. And if it had been the opposite - white delegate leaving a black candidate for a white one - it would not be met with indifference. Again - sad it has to come to this........

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0208/8734.html

HRC's black supporters pressed to support Obama

By: Charles Mahtesian and Richard T. Cullen
Feb 27, 2008 05:51 PM EST

Georgia Rep. John Lewis, who Wednesday switched his allegiance from Hillary Clinton to Barack Obama, may not be the last high-profile African American officeholder to change sides.

The pressure on Clinton’s black supporters to defect has been gradually mounting, rising to the point where some elected officials are being forced to consider whether their backing for Clinton will have adverse consequences for their own political fortunes.

“It’s atmospheric pressure, a change in mood in their communities,” says University of California at Los Angeles political scientist Mark Sawyer, who studies race, ethnicity and politics. “You see people that are going out to vote that have never voted before. Do you want to be on the other side of that?”

Lewis, who announced his decision in a statement, alluded to the weight of history and pointed to his district’s overwhelming support for Obama in the state’s Feb. 5 primary. “When I speak to students about the Civil Rights Movement, I say that it is impossible to stop a determined movement that is captivating the American consciousness,” Lewis said. “I think the candidacy of Sen. Obama represents the beginning of a new movement in American political history that began in the hearts and minds of the people of this nation. And I want to be on the side of the people, on the side of the spirit of history.”

But it’s also true that his decision to flip comes not long after he drew his first general or primary election opponent in nearly a decade—a challenge rooted in Lewis’s previous endorsement of Clinton.

“One who is an elected representative of the people must not ever get ahead of his or her constituencies,” said the Rev. Markel Hutchinson, his primary election challenger. “It is a complex quagmire that congressman Lewis is presently in, because instead of waiting and following the leadership and direction of his constituents and following the pulse of the community that he represents, he side-stepped his constituents.”

There is little reason to think that political expediency drove Lewis, a civil rights icon who is safely ensconced in his Atlanta-based seat, to make the jump to Obama. But there’s no question that, for many black politicians, the stakes have increased since Obama’s Jan. 26 victory in South Carolina, when he first displayed his tremendous popularity among African Americans by winning 78 percent of their vote.

In the four weeks since then, black elected officials ranging from Virginia state Sen. Louise Lucas to New Jersey state Sen. Dana Redd to Georgia Congressman David Scott have switched from Clinton’s to Obama’s camp. That list also includes former Cleveland Mayor Michael White and New Jersey super delegate Christine “Roz” Samuels.

“Who wants to be on the wrong side of history?” says UCLA’s Sawyer. “These are African American politicians who probably didn’t think Barack Obama had much of a chance to get elected and now he’s poised to be the nominee.”

Since South Carolina, Obama has regularly won in excess of 80 percent of the black vote, placing African American supporters of Clinton in the awkward position of bucking the overwhelming sentiment of their constituents. The predicament is even worse for black politicians who double as Democratic super delegates since they could end up casting key votes against Obama at a time when he would be closer to the White House than any other African American in U.S. history.

Most Clinton backers, it should be noted, have so far remained loyal.

“I have not had any direct pressure,” said Rep. Diane Watson (D-Calif.). “I’m not shifty and I don’t go with the wind… I’ve given that decision much thought early on. I weighed the decision that I made. I’m going to be with Hillary Clinton until the last vote is counted because of my working relationship with her over the years.”

For others, though, loyalty to Clinton has come at some cost. The New York Daily News reported that an anonymous flyer was circulated at the Association of Black and Puerto Rican Legislators’ annual conference last week, urging that a candidate “please step up” to challenge Rep. Greg Meeks (D-N.Y.) in the congressional primary.

Another member of the New York congressional delegation whose district was carried by Obama, freshman Rep. Yvette Clarke, has been targeted by an online petition calling on her “to act in accordance with the preference of the Voters.”


"We— Barack Obama supporters — would like to see her announce publicly that she is reconsidering her super delegate pledge, and that, at a minimum, she will wait to see the outcome of the popularly elected delegates,” said Chris Owens, a Brooklyn political activist who ran unsuccessfully against Clarke in a 2006 open seat primary. “If someone was already running and they had this issue at their back, then it would be a big help.”

A spokesman for Clarke, Scott Levenson, said the congresswoman sees the role of the super delegate as balancing her district, her state, and other concerns. But even in reiterating the congresswoman’s support for Clinton, there is a suggestion that it might change at a later date.

"She's a committed super delegate to Hillary Clinton," he said. "It would be inappropriate to readdress that until all the primaries are done."

Certainly it is a sensitive issue, one that many black pols are loathe to talk about. Through a spokesman, David Scott declined an interview to talk about his decision. A handful of other black politicians did not return phone calls from Politico.

Lewis also struggled publicly with his decision. His decision to endorse Obama comes after his office denied a New York Times report one week earlier saying that he was going to throw his support to Obama.

“This has been a difficult decision for me,” Lewis said.

Ben Smith and Josh Kraushaar contributed to this report.
 
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