Hillary supporters Unit #3 ..yes we are still here!

Got Disney";27431773]no surprise to this...... Looks like both Olbermann and Matthews have been striped of their anchor duties at MSNBC: [URL="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/08/business/media/08msnbc.html?_r=2&hp=&oref=slogin&pagewanted=print&oref=slogin said:
MSNBC Takes Incendiary Hosts From Anchor Seat[/url]


Praise the Lord! These 2 nit wits need to go. They did so much damage to Hillary IMO.

I still belive the only reason BO was elected was the writers stike....I must let it go:mad:
 
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This has been such a hard election on us all. Mostly because it has been such a bad 8 years. There is still a chance I will just not vote. If I cant make a decision by Election day than that is how it will end up.[/QUOTE]

I will vote no matter what. There are local elections after all. If I have not decided by election day, I will write in Hillary.
 
I will vote no matter what. There are local elections after all. If I have not decided by election day, I will write in Hillary.


Yes I will do that also....when I said that If I decide not to vote I ment for McCain or Obama.........

I posted this that I posted on another thread about Obama flip floping on the Bush tax cuts...this is also a reason I am falling away from Obama.


I have learned that only the other candidates FLIP FLOP....but Obama changes his mind:rotfl2: and only he has the right to do that.:lmao:

I am all for changing your mind but when you call other candidates out in a nasty way .... on what you make strong cases to vote for you because they are wrong and you are right...than CHANGE YOUR MIND ....I find that worse than what's right or wrong about the issue at hand.

That is why I take what Obama has to say with a grain of salt. He has lost his credability with me. The only real change that I have seen so far from him are his words!
 
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That is why I take what Obama has to say with a grain of salt. He has lost his credability with me. The only real change that I have seen so far from him are his words![/QUOTE]

So who is to say he will appoint the "right" kind of Justices to the SCOTUS? I wouldn't trust that man if he told me the sky was blue.
 

did anyone watch Hillary today ...she is live right know....she is campaigning and she looks soooooooo tired. She is also not very convincing in what she has to say about Obama/Biden IMO......Must be hard to campaign for someone that you feel cant deliver.

Even if she does not want McCain/Republican in office and knows in her heart that we need a Democrat...she for sure does not seem to think It's Obama either.She had no enthusiasm in her voice...
 
So who is to say he will appoint the "right" kind of Justices to the SCOTUS? I wouldn't trust that man if he told me the sky was blue.

The problem with both of them is that we don't know who will be appointed. That's another thing that needs to be changed is how the justices are picked. They should be as well as congress 50/50 DEM and REP....not more of one or more of the other. Fair and balanced.

I prefer to not have another REP in the SC. But to me there are other issues at hand also. I guess the reason why I have a 80% favorable percentage for Mccain is because I never had a problem with him anyway. The other REP I did but not McCain. If it were any of the other REP that had won the Nod than things may be different.


I would still be 20% for Obama because that is how I favor him at this time. The 80% would be a no vote instead of a McCain vote.

I am also a DEM but not a Staunch DEM....I lean more to the middle/left. Not all the way to the left. On some issues I even lean to the right like on Oil drilling and Illegals and a few others. So for me it is not as hard as for maybe you and some other Hillary supporters. to take a closer look at McCain.

Nothing for any of us is a perfect fit. And no matter how we vote or not vote we will walk away feeling empty. I will be listening to the debates as if there is nothing else more important in the world. Will see where that takes me and I will send you poll after.

Sometimes I think I am to involved and were like some of the people I know that don't have a clue and are just voting to vote for who they watch for 5 minutes here and 5 minutes there and here snippets an make a decision....

not a smart way but a less stressful one.:hippie:
 
I am so disgusted right now I could just spit!

I had every intention of voting Green this election. I cannot stand the corruption that both Obama and the DNP have demonstrated this election cycle and the thought of casting my vote for them makes me weep.

But then, good ole "Maverick" had to put Palin on his ticket. It seems to have rejuvenated the religious right:scared: (another group that skeeves me out) and McCain is now leading in some of the polls. I could have handled McCain and just about anyone else - but this pandering to the RR is disgusting.

I will be watching closely. I may have to get loaded, take some Pepto and vote Democrat.

:sad2:
 
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I will be watching closely. I may have to get loaded, take some Pepto and vote Democrat.

:sad2:
:lmao: :hug:

I'm sorry, I know that this is hard but you have quite a way with words and this just tickled my funny bone. I bet that a lot of us will have to do this when the times comes. :thumbsup2
 
:lmao: :hug:

I'm sorry, I know that this is hard but you have quite a way with words and this just tickled my funny bone. I bet that a lot of us will have to do this when the times comes. :thumbsup2

Do they make a Pepto Martini?
 
Since, like every other thread, this one currently has Sarah Palin as one of it’s main topics… I thought that I’d throw out some facts about her vs the smear the left is throwing out. Some of these words are linked to somewhere. Not on this page… you’ll have to go to the guy’s blog (the one whose debunking some of these rumors) and click on the links there.

I could care less who hates Sarah Palin… but just make certain you do your research first before believing the hype. She's a threat to the Obama campaign and they and the lib’s are doing everything they currently can to discredit her. Most of what I’m hearing about her are only ½ truths that are being twisted.

http://explorations.chasrmartin.com/2008/09/06/palin-rumors/
Yes, she is Governor of Alaska. No, she’s not the Lieutenant Governor. No, she’s not currently Mayor of Wasilla. Yes, she was Mayor of Wasilla, some years ago.

Yes, as Governor of Alaska, she’s the Commander in Chief of the Alaska National Guard. And yes, her professional military subordinate is quite impressed with her in that role.

And yes, the New York Times says the job of Governor of Alaska is one of the harder, and more powerful, jobs in state government.

Yes, there are people in Alaska who think she’s too liberal.

Yes, she did giggle when someone called Lyda Green a “*****.” Yes, Lyda Green is a cancer survivor. Yes, it was the same Lyda Green who tried to force a scheduling conflict that would make Palin miss her son’s high school graduation. Yes, this would also be the Lyda Green who complained no one had asked her about Palin during the vetting process.

Yes, she did push for and approve the Wasilla Sports Center. Yes, it did cost a lot of money. (People keep saying $20 million, that article says $14.5 million, but then they also added a $1.2 million dollar food service/kitchen piece. This year, after Palin was out of office as Mayor.) Yes, the city went into debt to do it (how did you buy your house, bunkie?) and raised the city sales tax from 2 percent to 2.5 percent to pay for it. Yes, the city is paying it off early. Yes, there is an ongoing dispute about title (following a struggle with the Nature Conservancy and another buyer. And yes, at the time it was built, Wasilla had a Federal judge’s decision that they had title to the land.

Yes, she did want authority to have wolves culled from the air, because they were taking too many moose and caribou. Which people hunt for food in the back country in Alaska. No, she isn’t shooting them herself. I mean, not that she couldn’t, but I’m sure she doesn’t have time. (Thanks to bluemerlin in the comments.)

No, the Downs baby (Trig) isn’t Bristol’s kid, and no, the kid wasn’t born with Downs because (a) Palin flew on an airplane (b) went home to have the baby after an amniotic leak (c) because he was the result of incest between Todd Palin and Bristol.

No, Track (the kid who is leaving for Iraq) didn’t join the NG because he was a drug addict. He may have joined the NG because he was tired of people saying his Mom was getting him into the good hockey leagues. (Yes, that one was original reporting. I’ve got sources in Wasilla.)
No, Willow and Piper aren’t named for witches on TV. Among other things, Willow was born before Buffy came on TV, and Piper was born before Charmed.

Yes, Trig’s name may be misspelled. Isn’t it usually “Tryg” as in “Trygve”? In any case, I doubt he’s named for the Secretary General of the UN (1948-1952), either. But at least that was before he was born, unlike the others.(Thanks to Chris, via his blog

Yes, it appears that she has a Big Dipper tattooed on her ankle. She lost a bet.

No, she’s never been in any porn as far as anyone can find. I would think the Big Dipper tattoo would be a giveaway.

No, no one seems to be able to even find swimsuit pictures of her from her beauty queen days. The bikini pictures that are around are photoshopped, just like the Vogue cover I have up.

No she wasn’t a member of the (wild-eyed libertarian) Alaska independence Party, although her husband once was

No, neither the (Canadian) National Post, nor Marc Armbinder at the Atlantic have troubled themselves to issue a correction. Yes, the New York Times did finally correct their story of September 1 — on September 5. And on page 14. This was after Elizabeth Bumiller was quoted by Howard Kurtz as saying she was “completely confident about the story.” Yes, that was after the New York Times’s source retracted the story. Yes, this should embarrass the Times, Bumiller, and Howard Kurtz. No, there have been no signs of embarrassment.

No, she was never a Pat Buchanan supporter; even when Buchanan claims she was, she was on the board of Steve Forbes’a campaign in Alaska. Yes, Palin was a Steve Forbes supporter in 2000.

No, she’s not anti-semitic. In fact, she has an Israeli flag in her office. (Contrary to popular belief, the usual Evangelical thinks Israel has a right to exist, granted by God.)

No, I don’t think she’s being “indoctrinated by Lieberman and AIPAC as we speak”; I don’t get the feeling that being indoctrinated is something that Palin does well.

Yes, it seems unlikely that she’s going to be in hiding for the next two weeks seeing as she’s been in rallies twice in the last two days. Or at least it’s going to be real rough, given that she has three media interviews scheduled today (6 September) alone.

Yes, it does appear that Palin’s local pastor preached about an end time when God will judge everyone, even Wasilla, Alaska, and the United States. Duh. This is called the Book of Revelations, and while I don’t believe it personally, I don’t see it as a disqualifier for the hundred million or so Baptists, Methodists, Evangelicals, Episcopalians, Catholics, Assembly of God, Presbyterian, Lutherans (traditional and Missouri Synod), African Methodist, and so on Christians in the US.

Yes, I do sometimes wonder about the state of Andrew’s health.

No, she’s doesn’t believe that the Iraq War was directed by God. Yes, she did pray that proceeding with the war was God’s will: “they should pray ‘that our national leaders are sending them out on a task that is from God, that’s what we have to make sure we are praying for, that there is a plan, and that plan is God’s plan.’” (Ever hear the phrase “Not my will, but Thine, be done”?) Yes, this apparently freaks some people right out.

No, Buchanan doesn’t support her now; in fact he’s supporting Obama. (Buchanan did think her speech was amazing, but then so do 80 percent of the people who saw it.) Or maybe not. Buchanan sure doesn’t like McCain though.

Yes, she was apparently pregnant when she got married

No, so far there’s no confirmation she had an affair while she was married, and they’ve denied it pretty strongly. No, she wouldn’t be the first Christian woman who got a little on the side, if it were true.

No, she wasn’t named as a co-respondent in a divorce; there’s no evidence she had an affair with her husbands’ business partner. The partner tried to have his divorce records sealed because he was being harrassed by journalists who used them to get his phone number.

Yes, barring immaculate conception virgin birth (whatever), Bristol appears to have had sex with her fiancee. No, Bristol didn’t receive only “abstinence-only” sex ed.

Yes, I have it on reliable report that Levi’s mom has been heard screaming “Way to go Levi!” at her son. No, it doesn’t appear to have been when Bristol broke the news to her family.
Note: I originally understood this story to be about Sarah, not Levi’s mom, in the context of hockey games. As such, it’s shouldn’t be in a Sarah Palin Rumors story, but I like the story too much to delete it.

yes, her 17 year old daughter is pregnant; no, the baby’s father is not an eighth grader; no, having sex at 16 is not statutory rape in Alaska. And no, there’s no way that a 17 year old can be 5 months pregnant as a result of having sex before she was 16. Learn to count for God’s sakes.
yes, she did fire the public safety guy — but he said in the Anchorage paper that, for the record, she never, and no one else in her administration ever, tried to make him fire her ex-brother-in-law
and yes, the state trooper (her sister’s ex-husband) she was worried about did: tase her 10 year old nephew; drive his state patrol car while drinking or drunk; did threaten to “bring her down”; and did threaten to murder her father and sister if they dared to get an attorney to help with the divorce.
yes, the state trooper was suspended when he was put under a court protective order

no, the trooper wasn’t fired

yes, she did fire the Wasilla Chief of Police as Mayor; yes, it was because he was lying to the City Council.

Yes, she did try to cut her own salary as Mayor by $4000 a year; yes, she had voted against the $4000 a year raise while on the City Council.

No, she didn’t cut funding for unwed mothers; yes, she did increase it by “only” 354 percent instead of 454 percent, as part of a multi-year capital expenditures program. No, the Washington Post doesn’t appear to have corrected their story. Even after this was pointed out in the comments on the story.

No, she didn’t cut special needs student funding; yes, she did raise it by “only” 175 percent.

yes, she did try, clearly unsuccessfully, to get Bristol married off to her fiancee before the story came out

yes, she did ask the librarian if some books could be withdrawn because of being offensive; no, they couldn’t; yes, it was “rhetorical”, at least as was reported contemporaneously in 1996[1] ; yes she did threaten to fire the librarian a month later; no, that wasn’t over the books thing but instead over administrative issues; no, the librarian wasn’t fired either; yes, the librarian was a big supporter of one of her political opponents; yes, the librarian was also the girlfriend of the Chief of police mentioned above; no, this is not the first time in the history of civilization that someone has been threatened with being fired over a political dispute

No the list of books she wanted to ban that’s being passed around isn’t real; among other things, it includes a number of books published after her time in office there.

No, that hasn’t actually deterred people from claiming it really is true even if the list isn’t correct. For example:
“This list might not in fact reflect the books Sarah Palin wanted banned. As more than one person in Comments has pointed out, some of them were not published when Palin was in office. It is my hope that the mainstream media will not let this story drop and that at some point an actual list will surface. The very thought of having someone who once advocated book-banning possibly occupying one of the highest offices of our land fills me with profound dread. It should fill you with dread too.”

No, I don’t understand why a fake list is supposed to fill me with dread, either.

no, it wasn’t won’t be [bad tense, hasn't happened yet] a shotgun wedding; Bristol and Levi been engaged for a good while according to Levi’s mother. It was either an accident or just an unconventional order.

Yes, she’s an was an Assembly of God Holy Roller. No, she doesn’t attend an AoG church now. Yes, she did leave the AoG because they were getting too weird for her.

No, she’s not anti-Mormon. No, not all AoG churches are anti-Mormon. (AoG is even more hard-core about allowing each pastor and congregation to make their own decisions than the Baptists are.) (Thanks to AnonAmom in the comments.)

No, she’s not from another planet. No, I haven’t actually heard that one yet, but you wait. Okay, I have now heard it.

yes, she apparently believes in some variant of Intelligent Design

no, she didn’t try to force the schools to teach it; she said if someone brought it up, it was an appropriate subject for debate.

No, she doesn’t believe in “abstinence only” education. Yes, she thinks abstinence is an effective way of preventing pregnancy. Duh. Yes, she believes kids should learn about condom use in schools.

Yes, she did smoke marijuana, when it was legal in Alaska. Yes, she apparently did inhale.

yes, she kills animals and eats them, and wears their skins

yes, she was a beauty contest contestant

yes, she was once a sportscaster

yes, she has a college degree in Journalism, but I won’t hold that against her, as she seems to have found honest work as well

yes, she sometimes wears her hair up; no that’s not a “beehive”

yes, her husband is Not A White Person (he’s a Yup’ik; an Eskimo but not an Inuit as my Inuit cousins have taken some pains to explain)

yes, she has on occasion, as Mayor, tried to get money from the federal government.

yes, she did finally turn down the money for the bridge. Yes, that meant changing her mind about it.

yes, she was vetted extensively, not just in three days — I’ve got links to press reports about people coming to Wassila on 29 May, and we had her on our Veepstakes at PJM from the first day we ran it.

yes, she want to a bunch of colleges before getting a degree. No, that’s not illegal. Yes, she seems to have made something of herself anyway.

no, they didn’t talk to a lot of the R’s power structure during the vetting; that probably has to do with the fact that she beat them in elections and sent a bunch of them to jail.

Yes, Sarah Palin’s acceptance speech was written by a speechwriter. Duh.

No, none of Obama’s, McCain’s, nor Biden’s speeches were impromptu off the cuff things either.

Yes, she did put the Governors plane on eBay. No, that’s not how it was finally sold. Yes, McCain did say it wrong. Bad McCain.

No, Sarah Palin doesn’t have such control of Alaskans that people are afraid to say bad things about her. (What, are you nuts? Look at this list.) No, I don’t think it’s likely that she called Obama “Sambo”. (Good God, man, I’m ten years older than she and I barely remember “Little Black Sambo.”) Yes, it seems unlikely to me that she’s be real racist and marry a Yup’ik (or a part Yup’ik.) But yes, people are capable of amazing things. Yes, I’m sure there are people who don’t like her — I’ve talked with some myself. And no, I don’t think this waitress would have been thrilled to be called an “aboriginal”. And yes, if she called Hillary a “b****”, I’m pretty confident it wasn’t the first time anyone in politics has said that.

No, she’s not a “global warming denier”, and when the crush dies down remind me to explain why the very phrasing “global warming denier” is anti-scientific, anti-intellectual, and a clear sign of a desire to impose your beliefs by coercion. But in the mean time, while I do believe that she has expressed some skepticism that warming is wholly human-caused, the existence of the Alaska Climate Change Sub-Cabinet and the Alaska Climate Change Strategy work demonstrate that she’s considering the problem and has brought together people more expert than she to advise her.

Yes, Todd Palin did have a DUI. Twenty-two years ago. Get a grip.

No, Sarah Palin’s brother isn’t in jail. No matter what the commenter at Anderson Cooper’s page says. (Thanks to Galynn in comments.)

Yes, Sarah Palin’s pastor apparently does believe that gays can “repent” and be cured of homosexuality. No, believe it or not, even fundamentalist Christians don’t have to believe every litle thing their pastor believes. Yes, Palin seems to be more libertarian about this.

Yes, contrary to press reports, Sarah Palin’s mother-in-law plans to vote for her and the R ticket (on Inside Edition this evening.)

No, the fact that some 17 year old was arrested for malicious mischief at the right time doens’t mean Track Palin was.

This next part is subject to disappear. This is a quote from beachblanket earlier today on another thread and I thought it worth reposting. I'm putting in a PM to him to see that he's ok with me posting this here. If he's not, I'll remove this:

Be careful before you believe the liberal lies and exaggerations about Palin:

Liberal Lie- Palin Slashed spending for teen moms from $5 million dollars to $3.9 million in the Alaska state budget.

Truth- Palin actually increased by three-fold the budget for the Covenant House teen pregnancy programs. What she "cut" was the Covenant House's request for $5 million! Palin's $3.9 million was still a massive increase from the previous budget.

Liberal Lie- Palin belonged to the Alaska Independence Party, a group that wants Alaska to secede from the United States.

Truth- The Governor's political registration shows that she has been a Republican since 1982 and she has never been a member of the AIP, though he husband has in the past.

Liberal Lie- Palin wants Creationism taught in school alongside of the Theory of Evolution.

Truth- Palin has spoken in favor of open discussion in the classroom of the two competing ideas, but has never spoken for, advocated for, or tried to make a policy that would make Alaska's schools add creationism to their curriculum. Palin quote: "I don't think there should be a prohibition against debate if it comes up in class. It doesn't have to be part of the curriculum."

Liberal Lie- Palin was so mired in controversy as a mayor that she was almost recalled while mayor of Wasilla.

Truth- Only a small number of Wasilla residents supported the recall effort and the idea died stillborn.

Liberal Lie- Palin cheated on her husband with her husband’s former business partner. This man had his divorce papers sealed to hide Palin’s affair.

Truth- Turns out it is untrue and the reason the man wanted his divorce papers sealed is to prevent the media from intruding into his life and the life of his young son.

Lie- Palin faked her recent pregnancy to cover for an out-of-wedlock birth of her teenaged daughter.

Truth - Eyewitnesses and photos easily debunk this story. And even if you didn't believe that, the fact that Palin's daughter is five months pregnant NOW makes it physically impossible that she could have had a baby earlier in the year.

Lie- Palin was a supporter of Pat Buchanan when he ran for president in 1999

Truth- Palin actually supported Steve Forbes in 1999 and was the co-chair on his Alaska campaign.

Lie- Palin is hiding her real religion from the public. She claims to be "just" a Christian, but is really a Pentecostal.

Truth- Palin left the Pentecostal Church she belonged to in Alaska 6 years ago.

Lie- Palin wanted a long, long list of books to be banned in the Wassilla library.

Truth- Palin did ask the library about what the process might be to ban a book, but the long list of books being circulated to "prove" she wanted books banned is really a list of all the books that have been banned at one time or another over the last 100 years. In fact, as far as the Harry Potter Books on that list goes, some of them came out after Palin left the office of Mayor of Wasilla.

Lie- Palin is lying when she says she sold the state's jet plane on eBay.

Truth- Palin never said she sold the jet on eBay. She says she put it up to sell on eBay. And she did. But it didn't sell there. The state sold it in a private sale to Larry Reynolds.
 
Have some of you noticed how members of the Right are once again attacking Hillary? She's not even running and they are after her anyway. I guess that they can't find anything to pin on Obama right now.

I think that it is very clear that they never really liked Hillary. Some of them just worked to cause even more trouble between the OS and HS. Of course, there are exceptions! Some of those on the Right are quite reasonable but they tend to get drowned out by the loud blathering of the others.
 
snip from the post:


Lie- Palin is lying when she says she sold the state's jet plane on eBay.

Truth- Palin never said she sold the jet on eBay. She says she put it up to sell on eBay. And she did. But it didn't sell there. The state sold it in a private sale to Larry Reynolds


'truth' to a point.... at a rally in Wisconsin, McCain repeated this "fact" to the crowd that Palin put the jet on ebay and "sold it for a profit". That is an outright lie. It didn't sell for a profit, in fact, it was sold at a loss.

I think this whole "issue" is ridiculous anyway; so if they wouldn't use it during their rallys/speeches, it wouldn't even be on the radar for most people.
 
Have some of you noticed how members of the Right are once again attacking Hillary? She's not even running and they are after her anyway. I guess that they can't find anything to pin on Obama right now.

I think that it is very clear that they never really liked Hillary. Some of them just worked to cause even more trouble between the OS and HS. Of course, there are exceptions! Some of those on the Right are quite reasonable but they tend to get drowned out by the loud blathering of the others.

Who ever thought the right liked Hillary?
 
I wish they would just get back to the issues and debate those...instead of the he said she said junk. Why cant politicians just tell the truth about everything. If they would all do that we would not have to waste our time trying to figure out who is telling the truth and who is not.

Than there's the media that can't seem to get it straight either.....UHG! it's all enough to spin your head out of control.
 
[QUOTE="Got Disney";27451125]I wish they would just get back to the issues and debate those...instead of the he said she said junk. Why cant politicians just tell the truth about everything. If they would all do that we would not have to waste our time trying to figure out who is telling the truth and who is not.

Than there's the media that can't seem to get it straight either.....UHG! it's all enough to spin your head out of control.[/QUOTE]


exactly.


here's hoping when the debates come around that they actually debate the issues facing this country, and not the fluff crap that we're getting right now.
 
Who ever thought the right liked Hillary?

I dont think the right ever liked Hillary but if they had a choice between Obama being POTUS or Hillary most preferred Hillary...at least that was all the talk. They were very happy that Obama did not pick Hillary also as his VP because they new that would be the end of the ball if he had.
 
Since, like every other thread, this one currently has Sarah Palin as one of it’s main topics… I thought that I’d throw out some facts about her vs the smear the left is throwing out. Some of these words are linked to somewhere. Not on this page… you’ll have to go to the guy’s blog (the one whose debunking some of these rumors) and click on the links there.

I could care less who hates Sarah Palin… but just make certain you do your research first before believing the hype. She's a threat to the Obama campaign and they and the lib’s are doing everything they currently can to discredit her. Most of what I’m hearing about her are only ½ truths that are being twisted.

http://explorations.chasrmartin.com/2008/09/06/palin-rumors/


Certainly, some of the palin rumors are untrue or exaggerated. But the fact that she wanted to ban ANY book(s) (isn't that what Taliban groups do?) or talk about creationism (a religious belief with no real scientific merit) in science classes is enough for me to distance myself from her. Her policies of additional drilling in AK and banning abortions AND her connection to the Pentecostal church (I grew up in it) make me run screaming. No way, no McCain or Palin.
 
'truth' to a point.... at a rally in Wisconsin, McCain repeated this "fact" to the crowd that Palin put the jet on ebay and "sold it for a profit". That is an outright lie. It didn't sell for a profit, in fact, it was sold at a loss.

I think this whole "issue" is ridiculous anyway; so if they wouldn't use it during their rallys/speeches, it wouldn't even be on the radar for most people.


Yeah, McCain got the story wrong. But it's not his story - it's Palin and she's never lied about it. She did put it up on ebay. She never stated that it sold on ebay. She got rid of it nonetheless.
 
Certainly, some of the palin rumors are untrue or exaggerated. But the fact that she wanted to ban ANY book(s) (isn't that what Taliban groups do?) or talk about creationism (a religious belief with no real scientific merit) in science classes is enough for me to distance myself from her. Her policies of additional drilling in AK and banning abortions AND her connection to the Pentecostal church (I grew up in it) make me run screaming. No way, no McCain or Palin.

That's fine. You don't have to like her. But these serious exaggerations and lies over crazy and stupid issues is insane! You being against drilling and being pro-choice I feel is legitimate reasons to not like her. You guys freaking out over creationism in the classroom (when she's never advocate for it to actually be taught in the classroom, just has made a comment that if it's brought up for discussion to be compared to what scientist claim for the evolutionary theory that she thinks it should be allowed for a discussion) and this whole banning books thing has gotten ridiculous. Apparently she did inquire how one could ban books but she's never actually tired to ban books. That list going around is the list of all books ever banned - not her list.

The way Obama got rid of his opponents in previous elections he ran for and how he wants to implement a national citizen security force should he be elected and the way he’s currently trying to suppress his relationship with Ayers from the media – has flat out told the media to not run an ad that can be factually backed-up – scares me more than a woman who inquired about how to ban books but has never had one banned.
 

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