Hillary supporters Unit #3 ..yes we are still here!

[Planogirl]

However, you lib’s attacked one of your own.

Exactly. That has always bothered me.

 

[chobie]

Nope. Just finding it a little hypocritical when your beloved thread posted many of them and trashed Hillary continuously throughout the primaries and I’ve only seen the Conserv's post one picture. Then again, many of the Conserv’s have never liked Hillary because she’s liberal and stands on issues they don’t agree with so it’s not so surprising to see someone post a pic like that of her on there. However, you lib’s attacked one of your own.

Right and no libs attacked Obama?

 

[punkin]

It was wrong - many of us called them out on it -many of us OS protested the Hillary as wicked witch banner.

Do you think its okay -- on any thread?

It is NOT OK! It wasn't OK when your people did it to Hillary and it is not OK to do it to Palin now.

The issue is that OS were just as sexist and disgusting to Hillary ans they are now being to Palin. That's a problem. Attack Palin's politics and lack of experience and I will agree with you 100%. Attack her parenting and looks ("caribou barbie") and I am ashamed to be a democrat.

Not that this matters at all, but I think Hillary is much more attractive than Palin. She is 20 years older, but that just gives her face more character IMO.

 

[punkin]

Right and no libs attacked Obama?

about his looks? about his parenting? about his clothes?

 

[chobie]

It is NOT OK! It wasn't OK when your people did it to Hillary and it is not OK to do it to Palin now.

The issue is that OS were just as sexist and disgusting to Hillary ans they are now being to Palin. That's a problem. Attack Palin's politics and lack of experience and I will agree with you 100%. Attack her parenting and looks ("caribou barbie") and I am ashamed to be a democrat.

Not that this matters at all, but I think Hillary is much more attractive than Palin. She is 20 years older, but that just gives her face more character IMO.

I agree with that. And will give you back your thread.

 

[punkin]

Interesting opinion piece in the Washington Post

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/05/AR2008090502656.html

It hurts me no end that this is what we have come to.

 

[Dolce27]

Interesting opinion piece in the Washington Post

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/05/AR2008090502656.html

It hurts me no end that this is what we have come to.

…just the media trying to justify their horrible actions by associating their sexist spew with legit political criticism. By trying to combine the two into one thing, they’re trying to justify and get away with sexism. Hillary never should have had to deal with the sexism she endured during the primaries just like Palin shouldn't have to deal with it now. The only difference: the Dem's wouldn't back Hillary up like the Republican's are now backing Palin up.

Criticism of her stance on issues, what bills she’s vetoed as Governor and what she’s passed, her past political experience…

Criticism of her minor children (there were outcries back in the ‘90’s when the media was harsh on Chelsea), of her looks, of what she’s wearing, of her hairstyle, of her being a “mom” (“Dad”’s are never brought up. How many times Obama has seen his two young daughters since he began his campaign is never brought up and criticised.)...

 

[JARNJ3]

I'm a feminist and a Democrat. I wouldn't vote for Gov. Sarah Palin if she were running for dog catcher because I disagree wholeheartedly with most of the things she believes in. I don't believe she would have been chosen by John McCain to be his running mate if she weren't physically attractive. She has too many other negatives. I didn't back Senator Clinton because I chose another candidate, not because she's a woman, not because's she 60 years old. I agree with the vast majority of Senator Clinton's views but I agreed with Senator Obama about the war in Iraq.

I have no problem with Governor Palin choosing to run for high political office with her personal family situation. I respect her RIGHT TO CHOOSE. I wonder if she expect to be paid as much as the last Vice-President, after all she won't have his level of experience.

To this point - I am curious of what you all think of John McCain's decision making process and judgment in selecting Palin? I was really SHOCKED. There are so many better qualified republicans than she. That pick cemented my Obama-Biden vote for sure.

Here is a recent article about the vetting process. Quite frankly, I think McCain is starting this national part of the campaign "not being truthful." I don't think she was properly vetted......... If he's not telling the truth now...... what will he do when in office?

Questions Remain About Palin Vetting

DAN JOLING | September 6, 2008 11:04 AM EST | AP


ANCHORAGE, Alaska — John McCain's presidential campaign did not speak with the Alaska House speaker and other leading Republicans before McCain tapped Gov. Sarah Palin as his running mate.

The low-profile vetting allowed McCain to spring Palin onto the national scene uncolored by media scrutiny. But it has left the campaign open to criticism that McCain did not fully explore her qualifications.

"I haven't heard of anybody being contacted, not that that's bad," said John Harris, speaker of the state House of Representatives. "I just haven't heard of anybody."

The subject is now closed, said McCain campaign spokesman Tucker Bounds.

"Gov. Palin was fully vetted as previously described and we are no longer commenting on the vetting process," Bounds said Friday. "She was selected, is qualified and is ready to serve."

Attorney Arthur B. Culvahouse Jr. led the review and told The Associated Press earlier this week that Palin underwent a "full and complete" examination.

But Harris, state Senate president Lyda Green and GOP chairman Randy Ruedrich said no one called them in advance to talk about the governor.

"I've not heard of one person who was talked to," said Green, who lives in Palin's hometown of Wasilla and has feuded with the governor.

Palin also has had a rocky relationship with Ruedrich, whom she tried to oust as party chairman.

It was the same story at one of Palin's previous elected offices. Mary Bixby, executive assistant to Wasilla Mayor Dianne Keller, said no one contacted the office for information about Palin before her selection. Since the announcement, the only attention had been from reporters.

"Nobody has been here," Bixby said.

Culvahouse said Palin's review, like others, began with two dozen people sifting through information from public sources: speeches, financial records, tax information, litigation, investigations, ethical charges, marriages and divorces.

For Palin, the team studied online archives of the state's largest newspapers, including the Anchorage Daily News.

Palin answered a personal data questionnaire with 70 "very intrusive" questions, Culvahouse said, and was asked to submit years of tax returns. Culvahouse conducted a lengthy interview.

"They obviously felt like they did enough research and were comfortable," Harris said.

Henry Brady, professor of political science and public policy at the University of California, Berkeley, said Friday that campaigns should be more diligent about examining the record and background of lesser-known candidates than well-known ones.

"Any sensible due diligence would include not just looking at the public record, not just looking at the newspaper, but also talking to people," he said.

When Democrat Walter Mondale picked Geraldine Ferraro in 1984, she was not fully vetted, Brady said. Questions about her husband's financial holdings and tax returns became a central issue in that election, won in a landslide by Ronald Reagan.

Since the Palin announcement, snippets of potentially damaging information have dribbled out _ Todd Palin's youthful intoxicated driving conviction, the pregnancy of the Palin's unmarried daughter, Palin's lack of international traveling, reality vs. hype on her effectiveness as a governor.

"The question is whether all these other little shortcomings are going to accumulate into a not-such-a-great picture," Brady said.

The process does, however, reflect on McCain's decision making. McCain wrapped up the GOP nomination in March, giving him plenty of time to investigate potential running mates.

"You've got months to make this decision," Brady said.

He called it astonishing that with so many unknowns about Palin, more was not done. Brady said he suspects McCain did not seriously consider Palin until just before he picked her.

Still, he said, "This is one where there was time to do it right."

In the end, it may not matter, Brady said.

"She's worked out pretty well," he said of Palin. "She gave a heck of a speech."

___

Associated Press writers Matt Volz and Gene Johnson contributed to this story.

 

[punkin]

To this point - I am curious of what you all think of John McCain's decision making process and judgment in selecting Palin? I was really SHOCKED. There are so many better qualified republicans than she. That pick cemented my Obama-Biden vote for sure.

Here is a recent article about the vetting process. Quite frankly, I think McCain is starting this national part of the campaign "not being truthful." I don't think she was properly vetted......... If he's not telling the truth now...... what will he do when in office?

If you want my opinion, which is complete conjecture, McCain wanted Lieberman (really wanted him badly) but his staff was adamant that he choose someone else. McCain personally disliked Romney and Jindahl (and whoever else they were pushing at him) Governor Ridge was almost as bad as Lieberman (Oh no! a pro-choice Republican). However, McCain met with Palin briefly and genuinely liked her. He thought "here's a woman (plus), young and attractive (plus), very right wing (my staffers are telling me that's a plus), and I like her. She's funny and smart and she is somewhat anti-establishment. I'll pick her-surely my staff would not have presented me with a completely un-vetted candidate with a pregnant teenager."

At this point there is almost nothing to be done by his campaign about his pick. They just have to live with it. Obviously, Hillary supporters like me are not happy and this will most likely push us into voting for Obama

 

[MAKmom]

I think McCain was crazy like a fox. My 60 year old Hillary loving Aunt is now voting for Palin. She loves Biden & knows him. I'm floored. At first I thought WTH....but now

 

[Dolce27]

If you want my opinion, which is complete conjecture, McCain wanted Lieberman (really wanted him badly) but his staff was adamant that he choose someone else. McCain personally disliked Romney and Jindahl (and whoever else they were pushing at him) Governor Ridge was almost as bad as Lieberman (Oh no! a pro-choice Republican). However, McCain met with Palin briefly and genuinely liked her. He thought "here's a woman (plus), young and attractive (plus), very right wing (my staffers are telling me that's a plus), and I like her. She's funny and smart and she is somewhat anti-establishment. I'll pick her-surely my staff would not have presented me with a completely un-vetted candidate with a pregnant teenager."

At this point there is almost nothing to be done by his campaign about his pick. They just have to live with it. Obviously, Hillary supporters like me are not happy and this will most likely push us into voting for Obama

I actually like Palin. Whenever they finally get around to vetting Obama (and don't forget all of his lack of experience) than I'll be more open to listening to the OS complain about Palin.

 

[asta]

If you want my opinion, which is complete conjecture, McCain wanted Lieberman (really wanted him badly) but his staff was adamant that he choose someone else. McCain personally disliked Romney and Jindahl (and whoever else they were pushing at him) Governor Ridge was almost as bad as Lieberman (Oh no! a pro-choice Republican). However, McCain met with Palin briefly and genuinely liked her. He thought "here's a woman (plus), young and attractive (plus), very right wing (my staffers are telling me that's a plus), and I like her. She's funny and smart and she is somewhat anti-establishment. I'll pick her-surely my staff would not have presented me with a completely un-vetted candidate with a pregnant teenager."

At this point there is almost nothing to be done by his campaign about his pick. They just have to live with it. Obviously, Hillary supporters like me are not happy and this will most likely push us into voting for Obama

It is all guessing on my part but I think that your theory makes sense. We will never know but my respect for McCain makes me want to believe this.

 

["Got Disney"]

It is NOT OK! It wasn't OK when your people did it to Hillary and it is not OK to do it to Palin now.

The issue is that OS were just as sexist and disgusting to Hillary ans they are now being to Palin. That's a problem. Attack Palin's politics and lack of experience and I will agree with you 100%. Attack her parenting and looks ("caribou barbie") and I am ashamed to be a democrat.

Not that this matters at all, but I think Hillary is much more attractive than Palin. She is 20 years older, but that just gives her face more character IMO.

Nope. Just finding it a little hypocritical when your beloved thread posted many of them and trashed Hillary continuously throughout the primaries and I’ve only seen the Conserv's post one picture. Then again, many of the Conserv’s have never liked Hillary because she’s liberal and stands on issues they don’t agree with so it’s not so surprising to see someone post a pic like that of her on there. However, you lib’s attacked one of your own.

…just the media trying to justify their horrible actions by associating their sexist spew with legit political criticism. By trying to combine the two into one thing, they’re trying to justify and get away with sexism. Hillary never should have had to deal with the sexism she endured during the primaries just like Palin shouldn't have to deal with it now. The only difference: the Dem's wouldn't back Hillary up like the Republican's are now backing Palin up.

Criticism of her stance on issues, what bills she’s vetoed as Governor and what she’s passed, her past political experience…

Criticism of her minor children (there were outcries back in the ‘90’s when the media was harsh on Chelsea), of her looks, of what she’s wearing, of her hairstyle, of her being a “mom” (“Dad”’s are never brought up. How many times Obama has seen his two young daughters since he began his campaign is never brought up and criticised.)...

ITA with all of the above.

I did alot of research today I did. And i must add that although my ideas are not close to Palin I am impressed with her tenacity. If she were my friend I would be saying "You Go Girl"! She reminds me of how I was when I was younger.

Matter of fact a few of my REP friends said that she reminded her of me in how they were impressed with me on how I could always seem to do it all ..Work, Kids, sell Mary Kay, Be on the PTA as PTA Pres., on School site Council and be assistant to 4 deans at the Middle School and head of all the schools volunteers...i

n addition being head of a Proposition to get funding to re due our schools. A few years back they tryed to get me to run for a position on the school board...I said no thanks.... I always had time for my family....always. Also I have epilepsy on top of it and both boys have Tourette Syndrome.

So when Palin talks about being that PTA Hockey mom I can so relate. I am still head assist. to the Deans and in charge of all the volunteers at the Middle school of 1400 kids and on the PTSA board...no pay it is volunteer work. I still sell MaryKay and also have a pet sitting business. I have just joined the PTSA at the HS since my one son has just started there. I am take care of the education and homework in my home my DH is in charge of the sports.

I am no longer working as a Nurse but still take classes every year to keep my licence active. I may be 50 but with a 11 y.o and a 14 y.o staying involved is my #1 priority. So yes I have no doubt in my mind watching Palin that she can do it and do it all well.

If you are wondering if I am tooting my own horn...you betcha because I have earned it! Just like I believe Sarah Palin has.

Too bad she does not think like a Democrate. Although lately I'm not sure if that is such a nice place to be.

 

["Got Disney"]

Okay so as of today I am 80% McCain....20% Obama.......yes I am leaning to the dark side. Every time I listen to Obama I feel so much distrust. Can't help it I just do. If I don't vote McCain than I most likely won't vote. I am still going to watch the debates to see where that takes me.

But I have a feeling that this is one time this Dem will not vote as a DEM. I am so ashamed of the DEM party that it has pushed me away. I still see McCain as a moderate and nothing like Bush.

Anyone that wants to try to bring me back is welcome to try and I will listen. OS if you come in here and start bashing me than you will surely help make it 100%....after all the OS were in part my decision to bail.

 

[Guy Incognito]

[QUOTE="Got Disney";27431316]Okay so as of today I am 80% McCain....20% Obama.......yes I am leaning to the dark side. Every time I listen to Obama I feel so much distrust. Can't help it I just do. If I don't vote McCain than I most likely won't vote. I am still going to watch the debates to see where that takes me.

But I have a feeling that this is one time this Dem will not vote as a DEM. I am so ashamed of the DEM party that it has pushed me away. I still see McCain as a moderate and nothing like Bush.

Anyone that wants to try to bring me back is welcome to try and I will listen. OS if you come in here and start bashing me than you will surely help make it 100%....after all the OS were in part my decision to bail.[/QUOTE]

Not here to sway you in any direction, just to offer a site where you can compare the various candidates (all of them, not just McCain - Obama), so you can find who best fits your viewpoint. Then you can come to your own conclusions and decide which of them gets your vote:

http://www.votesmart.org/election_president.php?dist=bio.php


If McCain best fits you, go for it. If not, my only advise would be, don't vote for someone because some of the supporters of an opponent have no tact. You can click 'ignore' for the wackos on here. If you vote for someone who doesn't support your views, you can't put them on ignore for the next 4 years.

take your time, check them all out and make an informed decision.

thanks

 

[MAKmom]

DH feels that if he Votes McCain he is letting the good old boys have a free pass. They may pull this off.


I heard something on PBS that concerned me. The only power a President does not have a check & balance on is as Commander & Chef. He can do what he wants.

 

["Got Disney"]

Not here to sway you in any direction, just to offer a site where you can compare the various candidates (all of them, not just McCain - Obama), so you can find who best fits your viewpoint. Then you can come to your own conclusions and decide which of them gets your vote:

http://www.votesmart.org/election_president.php?dist=bio.php


If McCain best fits you, go for it. If not, my only advise would be, don't vote for someone because some of the supporters of an opponent have no tact. You can click 'ignore' for the wackos on here. If you vote for someone who doesn't support your views, you can't put them on ignore for the next 4 years.

take your time, check them all out and make an informed decision.

thanks

DH feels that if he Votes McCain he is letting the good old boys have a free pass. They may pull this off.


I heard something on PBS that concerned me. The only power a President does not have a check & balance on is as Commander & Chef. He can do what he wants.

Thanks both of you. I am hoping the debates will help me also.

 

["Got Disney"]

no surprise to this......

Looks like both Olbermann and Matthews have been striped of their anchor duties at MSNBC: MSNBC Takes Incendiary Hosts From Anchor Seat

 

[Planogirl]

MSNBC Takes Incendiary Hosts From Anchor Seat[/URL]

Isn't that something? Too bad that they couldn't have removed them from anchor positions or at least gotten them to tone it down while Hillary was still running.

I don't like Palin. I had to dig past the nonsense about her looks and family to discover that her beliefs run completely contrary to mine. She's no Hillary!!! I like McCain way better than Palin if only he cared more about women's issues and wasn't so hawklike. So I'll stick with Obama.

 

["Got Disney"]

Isn't that something? Too bad that they couldn't have removed them from anchor positions or at least gotten them to tone it down while Hillary was still running.

I don't like Palin. I had to dig past the nonsense about her looks and family to discover that her beliefs run completely contrary to mine. She's no Hillary!!! I like McCain way better than Palin if only he cared more about women's issues and wasn't so hawklike. So I'll stick with Obama.

She does not fit me either...although I do like her tenacity. For some reason when I listen to McCain talk I trust what he has to say more than Obama. I have no problems with Biden except that he is also very far left and that bothers me.

It also bothers me that Obama kept saying that he wanted to get away from the "OLD POLITICS" in Washington and picking Hillary would be just that. That he wants to bring big change and hope and you just cant do that with someone that has been around the White house for years and years. So than he picks Biden...someone that has been there longer than GOD

IMO the DNC wanted him so they could mold him as they wish. If he had picked Hillary than he would have had my vote. But he chose not to and I am sure it is not because of her years in Washington. He does not like her and that is fine. But it is not about him it is about us. If he had picked her he would have had the election in the bag.

As of McCain and Palin.....I trust McCain in a time of war more than Obama. I feel he will bring more change than Obama can. I think back at Hillary and Biden telling us that he is not ready and that his plans to change this country just won't work. I hear all of her words and his words against Obama and in addition all the hypocrisy's that have followed him.

The debates will tell me what I need to know. The DEM side of me is what is keeping me at 20% Obama....not Obama.

This has been such a hard election on us all. Mostly because it has been such a bad 8 years. There is still a chance I will just not vote. If I cant make a decision by Election day than that is how it will end up.