Help me understand plz this is not a joke

honeydiane1953

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Let me start off my saying my best friend is a tight wad. I love her just don't understand why she is this way. You may call it frugal. She couldn't believe when another person pointed it out and then she asked me. I told her the truth she acted like she was shocked. I had just never told her. Can anyone shed some light on this for me? BTW it drives me crazy. Does anyone have any ideas as I am clueless.
 
Maybe her parents taught her to be this way. Some people may not think that they are being frugal. I think with todays economy that more and more people may be frugal. I know someone who has a great job and gets paid well and complains they are broke, but they spend money like it is going out of style. I know for myself I have become more to the side of saving than spending.
 
Let me start off my saying my best friend is a tight wad. I love her just don't understand why she is this way. You may call it frugal. She couldn't believe when another person pointed it out and then she asked me. I told her the truth she acted like she was shocked. I had just never told her. Can anyone shed some light on this for me? BTW it drives me crazy. Does anyone have any ideas as I am clueless.

Nope, no one here can. Listen just like any other type of personality so much goes into making us the way we are.

What you consider being frugal or tightward, she may consider sensible. What some may consider spending like it;s "no tomorrow" some one else may consider simply enjoying life.

How you were raised, where you lived, your relationships with family and friends, your religion, what you view as important all go into how you view money.
I'm the type of gal that loves designer handbags. I'll drop a wad of cash on a good one yet get mad if I have to pay more than 19.99 for a pair of jeans. When I travel I'll pay to sit in business class for the extra space yet get pissed if I have to pay 30 bucks for the luggage fee.... go figure.

I look at things not necessarily from a "dollar" amount but from a "value" standpoint. I love disney and I admire some of the tricks here people use to save money but many would not work for my family so some one else may feel that my staying deluxe is wasting money but for me staying at a value is actually wasting money since we don't like them. See what I'm getting at.

You don't understand your girlfriend, there is probably a good chance she's not getting you either.

concentrate on the things you do have in common, that's much nicer.
 
It's a habit and it's very difficult to break, especially when one gets into their senior years. I also believe it stems from fear. My parents were so tight they died with a lot of money but lived like they had almost nothing. My mom asked permission of her children to spend money on comfort care as she lay dying. It was so sad. Be gentle with your friend and encourage her to splurge once in a while. You also need to put this in perspective regarding why it's bothering YOU. Is it changing your life in some way? Why are you so concerned?
 

eliza61, I think we may have been separated at birth. :rotfl: This is me to a "T". It is all about you feeling like you getting the value out of what you spend.
No matter if it is $20 or $2000.
 
I guess I don't understand what there is to shed light on. She is frugal with her money. She apparently has a different mindset than you when it comes to money.
 
Let me start off my saying my best friend is a tight wad. I love her just don't understand why she is this way. You may call it frugal. She couldn't believe when another person pointed it out and then she asked me. I told her the truth she acted like she was shocked. I had just never told her. Can anyone shed some light on this for me? BTW it drives me crazy. Does anyone have any ideas as I am clueless.

I don't have any ideas, I am just hear to say I feel your "crazy". I also have a friend like this, but I just keep my mouth shut. It doesn't really effect me personally, except when we travel together. She only ever leaves a $5.00 tip, even when the meals are $200.00 plus. The waiter generally gets annoyed, and it is very embarrassing. I just try to avoid sit down dinners with her.

In many ways, I admire her. But there are times when I just shake my head. She can be a bit of a bully when she doesn't want to pay for something. :( But it's not directed toward me, so.......really none of my business.
 
Tell her to come join us on the Living Like No One Else message boards! We are all tightwads and quite proud of it! :rotfl2:

I am not shocked when people tell me I am frugal, I am GLAD. Most of them have car payments, large home loans, go on shopping sprees, have very little to no money saved, and put things on credit cards.

I will take their condescending attitude all the way to MY Bank! :banana:

However, I will say the above are not close friends. My close friends are fine with it or they wouldn't be my friends. Many of them ask how they too can get out of any debt and live debt free.

ETA: I don't leave small tips or cheat others out of money, if I don't wish to pay for it, I don't go out to eat or don't do the activity.
 
First it is a matter of perspective. I love to save a dollar. I am sure my friends could easily call me a tightwad although I would agree. There are places I don't mind "spending" my money and there are things I think are ridiculous. My priority is saving and if I can get a deal on something I am all over it. I would love to be able to splurge on a Starbucks coffee but just cannot justify it in my mind when they offer free coffee at work. However, if I get a gift card or coupon I may just be able to force myself. ;).
 
Let me start off my saying my best friend is a tight wad. I love her just don't understand why she is this way. You may call it frugal. She couldn't believe when another person pointed it out and then she asked me. I told her the truth she acted like she was shocked. I had just never told her. Can anyone shed some light on this for me? BTW it drives me crazy. Does anyone have any ideas as I am clueless.

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What is there to understand or shed light on, your friend is frugal. What way should she be so you can understand?
 
Are there some specific circumstances you may be able to give examples of, things which you don't understand? The post was pretty vague :confused3
 
I get what you're saying. My grandmother died a millionaire although you'd never know it while she was alive. She dreamed for YEARS of going to Australia for vacation but it was always "too expensive". :( I miss her so very much and I just wish she would have treated herself to an extravagance every once in a while.

My mom has very odd spending habits, IMHO. As a pp wrote, she'll stiff a fantastic waiter by leaving next to nothing for a tip but then she'll buy absolute CRAP that she doesn't need and won't use. :confused3
 
My brother in law is thrifty. He makes decent money, doesn't owe on his house anymore, etc. He has no cable, just got internet last year if my sister paid for it herself, gives his garbage to his parents so he doesn't have to pay a garbage bill, won't let his teenager get braces, etc.

He scoffs when someone says they got a new car, or went on a trip, or bought a new coat even.

He says when we're all old, he'll be living the good life while we all starve.

Maybe it will be true. Maybe we our retirement money will disappear and we'll starve. Who knows.

Some people just have different points of view, I guess.

My 80+ neighbor told me that she regrets never seeing anything or doing anything. She never left the house overnight. Everything was too expensive, then time went on. Now she says she's too old to do all that stuff. She says to live a little in life. I agree with my neighbor.
 
I don't have any ideas, I am just hear to say I feel your "crazy". I also have a friend like this, but I just keep my mouth shut. It doesn't really effect me personally, except when we travel together. She only ever leaves a $5.00 tip, even when the meals are $200.00 plus. The waiter generally gets annoyed, and it is very embarrassing. I just try to avoid sit down dinners with her.

In many ways, I admire her. But there are times when I just shake my head. She can be a bit of a bully when she doesn't want to pay for something. :( But it's not directed toward me, so.......really none of my business.

This is when you make the jump from frugal to downright cheap. Frugal effects your lifestyle. Cheap effects those around you. I would never have a meal with someone like this unless I was able to make up the difference to the server. We have done this a time or two with DH's Mom. We paid for a 200 meal, she left a 20 tip. We went back in and gave another 20. So embarrassing.
 
My brother in law is thrifty. He makes decent money, doesn't owe on his house anymore, etc. He has no cable, just got internet last year if my sister paid for it herself, gives his garbage to his parents so he doesn't have to pay a garbage bill, won't let his teenager get braces, etc.

He scoffs when someone says they got a new car, or went on a trip, or bought a new coat even.

He says when we're all old, he'll be living the good life while we all starve.

Maybe it will be true. Maybe we our retirement money will disappear and we'll starve. Who knows.

Some people just have different points of view, I guess.

My 80+ neighbor told me that she regrets never seeing anything or doing anything. She never left the house overnight. Everything was too expensive, then time went on. Now she says she's too old to do all that stuff. She says to live a little in life. I agree with my neighbor.

When he's old, he won't be able to enjoy all that money he's bragging about. Sounds like a total tool.

He won't let his teenager get braces because he's too cheap? What a great guy.
 
Let me start off my saying my best friend is a tight wad. I love her just don't understand why she is this way. You may call it frugal. She couldn't believe when another person pointed it out and then she asked me. I told her the truth she acted like she was shocked. I had just never told her. Can anyone shed some light on this for me? BTW it drives me crazy. Does anyone have any ideas as I am clueless.

The content under which the comment was made is relevant. Where you in a restaurant and she wanted to figure the bill out to the penny so she did not pay a cent more than she had to? Did she order water and ask for a bowl of lemon slices so she could make lemonade? Did she try to stiff the other person with the bill, by suggesting they split it evenly but she had spend way more than anybody else? Was she complaining or commenting about the cost of somebody's purchase?
 
I think a lot of it has to do with how you grew up. A lot of people either follow their parents good saving habits (maybe to a militant level) and some watched their parents struggle so much or lived in such impoverished conditions that they fear not having enough.

My college roommate's dad was traumatized during the war in Europe as a child when rations were so hard to come by, every morning he just drowned his toast in preserves.

Either way it's so ingrained I don't think the person is aware when it becomes an issue for other people. I finally had to tell my brother that people were avoided inviting him to outings because he never offered to pay. He wasn't deliberately being rude, it just never occurred to him. Now he always offers and thanked me for mentioning it.

I think that's what one PP meant by frugal is different than cheap, and I agree. If she's frugal, that's a good thing. I wish I were more frugal, I really need to work on that personally. I'm the gambler type and have found my biggest bane is deal seeking and end up with crap I could've done without, but I got it on sale!!!
 
My brother in law is thrifty. He makes decent money, doesn't owe on his house anymore, etc. He has no cable, just got internet last year if my sister paid for it herself, gives his garbage to his parents [This is not thrifty but taking advantage of another - parents and garbage collection company] so he doesn't have to pay a garbage bill, won't let his teenager get braces [This is wrong. Oral health and physical health are tightly coupled. Bad alignment of teeth can cause the teen many years of pain and money in the future.], etc.

He scoffs when someone says they got a new car, or went on a trip, or bought a new coat even.

He says when we're all old, he'll be living the good life while we all starve. [He maybe living alone when your sister has had enough and leaves and the kid(s) resent him for loving money more than them.]

Maybe it will be true. Maybe we our retirement money will disappear and we'll starve. Who knows.

Some people just have different points of view, I guess.

My 80+ neighbor told me that she regrets never seeing anything or doing anything. She never left the house overnight. Everything was too expensive, then time went on. Now she says she's too old to do all that stuff. She says to live a little in life. I agree with my neighbor.

Balance is the key. Save for tomorrow but also live for today.
 
Let me start off my saying my best friend is a tight wad. I love her just don't understand why she is this way. You may call it frugal. She couldn't believe when another person pointed it out and then she asked me. I told her the truth she acted like she was shocked. I had just never told her. Can anyone shed some light on this for me? BTW it drives me crazy. Does anyone have any ideas as I am clueless.

She just has different priorities than you do when it comes to money. Maybe she grew up with very little and doesn't ever want to worry about money again. Maybe she values different things. Maybe her feelings were hurt when you called her a tightwad instead of her being shocked.

If her spending habits drive you crazy, your spending habits probably drive her crazy, too. But she likes you anyway and overlooks your differences.

If she is seriously a tightwad and not just frugal (e.g. not tipping appropriately), then avoid those situations with her, or offer to leave the tip, or whatever it is she does that you don't like.

Nope, no one here can. Listen just like any other type of personality so much goes into making us the way we are.

What you consider being frugal or tightward, she may consider sensible. What some may consider spending like it;s "no tomorrow" some one else may consider simply enjoying life.

How you were raised, where you lived, your relationships with family and friends, your religion, what you view as important all go into how you view money.
I'm the type of gal that loves designer handbags. I'll drop a wad of cash on a good one yet get mad if I have to pay more than 19.99 for a pair of jeans. When I travel I'll pay to sit in business class for the extra space yet get pissed if I have to pay 30 bucks for the luggage fee.... go figure.

I look at things not necessarily from a "dollar" amount but from a "value" standpoint. I love disney and I admire some of the tricks here people use to save money but many would not work for my family so some one else may feel that my staying deluxe is wasting money but for me staying at a value is actually wasting money since we don't like them. See what I'm getting at.

You don't understand your girlfriend, there is probably a good chance she's not getting you either.

concentrate on the things you do have in common, that's much nicer.

Very well said. :thumbsup2
 
The word everyone is thinking of, but nobody has said is "utility". A "util" is a measurement (like an inch or a pound) that measures how useful you find something. Usually it is measured in "utils per dollar." Everyone finds utility in different places. If you hate hot dogs, then even though they are cheap, you don't find much utility there. If you're starving, haven't eaten for days, that hot dog would suddenly be PACKED with utility for you... the first would be FULL of utility, the second a little less, the third even less, etc.

Most of the people on the budget boards find utility in the feeling of monetary security. We find value in knowing we have a bit "tucked away". We value the peace of mind that gives us. We find more utility in feeling secure than we would in "blowing" that money on something... but, that said, we can also feel utility using the money for something we have saved for. But it's a balance. I could blow all my savings for that big trip abroad tomorrow, but I would not get much utility from it because I'd be fretting about my lost security, plus my children are too young to fully "get" the experience. When we do go, I want them to be old enough, and I want to pay cash so I can spend the time getting maximum utility from my dollars.

We all experience utility, but most people haven't learned the idea of what it actually is (it's an economics term, btw)

Americans, as a whole, are socialized to find pleasure (utility) in getting "deals." I saw a man at the grocery store on Sunday, pointing out the yogurt to his little girl, about 3 or 4, and saying "it's on sale!" He didn't seem to care whether it was the kind she wanted or even if it was the best price overall, he was unintentionally training this child to get excited every time she sees a little yellow sign on a shelf. Lots of people find utility in the feeling of getting a good deal, and don't even realize why. That's why they buy "junk" they don't need.

It sounds like your friend finds utility in getting a good deal, but you feel that she does not care much if it is at the expense of others. My father-in-law does this a lot. My in-laws talk (complain) a lot about the price of everything, but that said, they go out to eat A LOT. Once they're there, they'll both order water-with-lemon, usually split an entree, and their tips are a frequent source of embarrassment for those of us dragged along. When we go along, I order what I want, try to split the check if possible, and if they "insist" on paying, I shrug it off and refuse to feel guilty. I frequently add to the tip until it's an amount that I feel is appropriate for the service we received, with a bonus if FIL was a total PitA while we were there, and call it all good. I do that because for me, the utility in a meal out comes from me not having to cook and clean and the experience of quality time with my family. My FIL being a tightwad can ruin that for me and take away my utility, if I let it, so I have learned not to.

If your friend's habits really bother you, then you are allowing her actions to negatively affect your utility. But realize that your actions probably seem strange to HER and reduce HER utility in the time together. This is one of many reasons friends drift apart over time... your time spent together becomes less and less enjoyable (you don't have utility from that time.) So the trick is to find the middle ground, as a PP already said. What activities hold utility for you both?

Example-since this is a Disney forum. People here really like Disney. And people on this sub-forum like a good deal. So people here find utility in visiting Disney for various reasons, and find extra utility in doing it in a way that fits their values. You want to RUIN a trip for most of us, come along with minimal preparations. Buy everything in the parks and then complain about the cost, complain about the lines, talk about how long you're going to be paying the credit card bill for this meal that you don't even really like... and don't forget to constantly mention how you don't even LIKE Disney stuff... you get the point... It is very possible for one person to completely drain the fun (utility) out of someone else's day-- if we let them.

In your case, your friend sounds like she finds utility in hanging on to her money, but she does it in such a way that makes the eating-out experience unpleasant for you. My question is, which one of you says "Let's go out to eat?"
 














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