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Tissa said:
I really feel for you, my autistic ds has really been giving me problems lately and we just increased his Adderall and his Zoloft and he is doing much better.
Stealing is a big issue and needs to be addressed before it gets worse, if counseling isn't working maybe it's time to have a sit down with the Dr and counselor and figure out a new game plan. The stealing is probably just a symptom of something bigger and not just the ADHD. I'm sending tons of pixie dust your way and hope that you can get things worked out with DD. :grouphug:



thank you so much!
 
Rosie said:
I don't think your child is doing anything so unusual. All kids with or without ADHD will try to push the boundaries and take things just because they want them. I think it is a very common response to temptation at that age.
Stay strong and help her make the right choices in a way you can cope with.
Best of luck!

I have to throw this in here....most 8 year olds do not take things that do not belong to them. Maybe something that belongs to a sibling, but not something off a teacher's desk. I think it is an important sign that something is "off/wrong", although I'm not a doctor, just a teacher. My 1st graders know not to take something that does not belong to them.
 
LOLA2 said:
Just wondering if any of you have your kids on meds? .....

Please tell me about your experience with meds if any of you have tried it, I really want to get a handle on things before he starts kindergarten in September. :rotfl2:

(edited the quote to address questions and not make the post so long ... my answers/stories tend to get long winded LOL).

My 7 year old has been on medication for a year and a half. It was a HUGE decision for us. My husband has a PhD in nueroscience and was dead set against putting him on any stimulant (the ADHD drugs are a stimulant). But after he was suspended from KINDERGARDEN (I didn't even know that they DID that!!) and a huge power struggle with the teachers and school, we agreed with his psychologist/psychiatrist to try it.

I think he is pretty mild - and he doesn't have sensory or any other afflictions, just ADHD. He has a VERY hard time standing still (I am a bit worried about lines at WDW in September, but it is a "low crowd" week and he will be back on medication). He touches everything (shopping trips are a REAL treat for me ... :sad2: ). At school, he was disrupting the class. It didn't help that he was finishing his work long before the other kids - and then filling his time with noisy things (like tapping pencils, trying to talk, moving and fidgeting, etc). We finally finished the process for the Gifted/Talented program and he spends extra time there, helping address the problem of finishing his work early and having nothing to do.

We finally decided to try the Concerta. Like the psychiatrist told us, we can always take him back off if we aren't happy with it. But the difference was tremendous. The teachers all notice a huge difference (and I would NOT do it just to make the teacher's lives easier - I know what a handful he can be, but if it were just for the teacher's convenience "medicate him so he doesn't bother me..." then I wouldn't do it. I do hate the fact that I have my son medicated. However, he says he is much happier at school when he takes it. His conduct improved tremendously - he had all A's academically but the conduct grade affected his overall performance. Last year (1st grade) he made the "President's Honor Roll" (where he had been on the honor roll all four quarters). That wouldn't have happened had it not been for the medication. Towards the end of the year, we noticed a drop in his conduct grades, and talked to his doctor. He had grown some, and since the medication is based on weight, we decided to increase the dosage (in general, he stays towards the bottom end of the dosage for his weight and it works well). It made a HUGE difference and the teacher asked me the first week what we had done differently, because all of a sudden he was an angel again. I hadn't told her that we'd increased his medication until she made the comment - and it was very noticable.

My husband is a college professor and doesn't teach over the summer semester. Since he is home with the kids (one on one instead of a classroom or summer camp setting), we took him off of his medication. I liked the idea of giving his body a break - and he does eat a lot more when he isn't on it (though his appetite is still pretty healthy when he is on his medication, he definitely eats more when he isn't taking it). We noticed a growth spurt over this summer - some of it may be normal growth spurt type stuff, and some may be because of his increased appetite (don't think we'll ever know the answer to that). About 3 weeks before school starts, he will start back on it again to give his body time to adjust to it and get us all back on track.
 
I just started my almost 5yo son on Aderall xr this weekend. So far no changes and he has been up to 1:00. He is only on 5mg a very low dosage.
Maybe I should try something else, or does it take taime for it to kick in?
 

LOLA2 said:
I just started my almost 5yo son on Aderall xr this weekend. So far no changes and he has been up to 1:00. He is only on 5mg a very low dosage.
Maybe I should try something else, or does it take taime for it to kick in?

I'm not saying this to be cruel but the medication is not a magic cure all. It helps some children and some it does not. It may help some symptoms but not all. It is a very long winding road. I am surprised though to see a 5yo on the medication. That is very young for it to be diagnosed.

My DS (12) is finally on a combination of meds that work very well for him. It helps him concentrate and it shows a very large difference. He was a straight A student this year!!! However he is very immature on his social skills and has problems with seeing everything as totaly right or wrong.

It takes time for the medication to work. Don't be suprised if you need to try different medications. I would wait at least one month not just a couple days before becoming concerned or before returning to his DR to ask for a doseage or medication change.

Good luck to you!
 
I know it's not a magic pill, I'm not stupid I have done alot of research but not too sure about medications and the length of time to notice any changes. They have put him on medication because he has putten himself in danger many a times since you asked why a 5 yo is on medication. ANYWAY, anyone else have an opinion? The Dr. said it should start working right away, it doesn't take weeks to reach it's full effect. I won't see a ton of changes but just enough to take the edge off. Anyone have children on this medication and have thoughts on it?
 
LOLA2 said:
I know it's not a magic pill, I'm not stupid I have done alot of research but not too sure about medications and the length of time to notice any changes. They have put him on medication because he has putten himself in danger many a times since you asked why a 5 yo is on medication. ANYWAY, anyone else have an opinion? The Dr. said it should start working right away, it doesn't take weeks to reach it's full effect. I won't see a ton of changes but just enough to take the edge off. Anyone have children on this medication and have thoughts on it?

I never said you were stupid and before you start thinking that way I can tell you that what I wrote is way kinder than many things you will here and read. I've been there done it. I wanted to slap at anyone that said anything about my DS when we were going though the process. It hurts something dreadful to know there is something wrong with your child and that you can't kiss it away and make it better. Life is sooooo hard sometimes.

My DS is on that specific medication now but has tried several others in previous years to find the write combination. This is only Tuesday if he just started the medication this weekend I do not think it has been long enough to determine the effectiveness.

If you read many of the ADD or ADHD threads you will see that many parents take the children off medication during the summer and then need to restart the medication up to a month before school to ensure that the medication is having the correct effect. I am not a doctor so maybe your DS is different but I know on a first hand basis that it doesn't work quickly and takes time.

Good luck to you and your son :grouphug:
 
hey, sorry i have been out of touch for a bit, it has and is stressful times, i am afraid, not of hurting my child, i mean i lover her with all my heart but i am feeling lately like i dislike her. WHAT i say, is this possible, am i disliking my own child. I am so frustrated, and when you try to talk to her, all she does is cry like a power play, it does nothing more then to p-ss me off. So i send her to her room or bed depending on the time, i am just tired and frustrated, at my whitts end! Some days we are really good, but they end badly. I am running out of ideas, i should be the one crying here.
 
There are several of you that I feel very close to at the moment. When my Ds was 4, the daycare recommended medication, he had been diagnosed ADHD, we thought he was too young. We moved to another town, the daycare there basically kicked him out. Took him to a pediatrician, who told us that she did not like to medicate at that age, by the end of the visit she was referring us to the Psychiatrist. He is now 7 and will be going into 2nd grade. He is on Strattera, I feel a high dosage, 40 mgs in the morning and evening. It really helped him calm down and also not get so frustrated. Before medicine he could not play with a transformer without getting made within 5 minutes and throwing it across the room, after the medicine he sat with the same toy for two hours. I enjoy taking him with me now. Before medicine, I never took him any where with me.

He touches everything, throws things even though he has been told not to. School has just been awful, but the Special Ed department is working with us, just can't get the school administration to do it. To the person whose daughter stole $2 from the teacher, what did the school do?

To the person asking about meds whose child is starting Kindergarten. I wish I had better news but you may be in for a really rough year. If you child has been diagnosed ADHD, get with the Special Ed dept in your school district and see what help you can get. Once you find out your childs teacher, schedule a meeting with them. Since my son falls under Special Ed we have what is called an ARD (Admission, Dismissal, and Review) where the teacher, principle, counselors, and anyone we like get together to discuss how to help our child succeed. Our special ed dept actually held one after the school year and there must have been 15 people there. It felt so good.

Some of the other postings had great advise. Structure is important. Since these kinds like to be in control, someone told me if they want to do something that I don't want them to do, instead of just saying "no", which may cause a meltdown. Give them a choice of two things you are welling to do. The example I was given, child wants to go to the bathroom to avoid school work. You say, you can sit in that chair or that chair. Sounds silly but it directs there attention to where you want it, but they still feel they have some control. I used in on my boy for our trip to Disney. He didn't want to take swimming lessons, I explained he could skip the lessons, but would wear a life jacket at the water parks, or he could take lessons and not wear a life jacket. He chose the lessons.

As far as waiting in line, take a gameboy if you have one. This was our first trip so I was really worried about lines, it was July 4th week, so I knew it would be busy. Whenever he would start to drive us nuts, I'd ask if he wanted his gameboy. We also found all kinds of little fidget toys (little toys that stretch out, pipe cleaners are great) for him to play with, but didn't really use them. Mainly forgot about them. He actually did very well in line, but we never waited more than 45 minutes.


To the person whose daughter won't try because she can't do something well. My DS is the same way. He wants to be a Goalie, but won't practice. If he can't do something, he stops trying. I keep trying to explain we all have to practice to do things well.

If anyone would like to PM me, I would love to here from you. Most of the time, only those that have children like ours, understand them. I keep hearing that there is hope, but sometimes it doesn't see possible. I just try to remember something nice that my boy does, such as when at Disney World he was running to our room and when there were a group of people he said "excuse me, coming through"! That group of people commented how they had not heard that in a few days from any children and what a good boy. They would be amazed that he had been kicked out of 4 daycares in 2 years!
 
jmskinner said:
There are several of you that I feel very close to at the moment. When my Ds was 4, the daycare recommended medication, he had been diagnosed ADHD, we thought he was too young. We moved to another town, the daycare there basically kicked him out. Took him to a pediatrician, who told us that she did not like to medicate at that age, by the end of the visit she was referring us to the Psychiatrist. He is now 7 and will be going into 2nd grade. He is on Strattera, I feel a high dosage, 40 mgs in the morning and evening. It really helped him calm down and also not get so frustrated. Before medicine he could not play with a transformer without getting made within 5 minutes and throwing it across the room, after the medicine he sat with the same toy for two hours. I enjoy taking him with me now. Before medicine, I never took him any where with me.

He touches everything, throws things even though he has been told not to. School has just been awful, but the Special Ed department is working with us, just can't get the school administration to do it. To the person whose daughter stole $2 from the teacher, what did the school do?

To the person asking about meds whose child is starting Kindergarten. I wish I had better news but you may be in for a really rough year. If you child has been diagnosed ADHD, get with the Special Ed dept in your school district and see what help you can get. Once you find out your childs teacher, schedule a meeting with them. Since my son falls under Special Ed we have what is called an ARD (Admission, Dismissal, and Review) where the teacher, principle, counselors, and anyone we like get together to discuss how to help our child succeed. Our special ed dept actually held one after the school year and there must have been 15 people there. It felt so good.

Some of the other postings had great advise. Structure is important. Since these kinds like to be in control, someone told me if they want to do something that I don't want them to do, instead of just saying "no", which may cause a meltdown. Give them a choice of two things you are welling to do. The example I was given, child wants to go to the bathroom to avoid school work. You say, you can sit in that chair or that chair. Sounds silly but it directs there attention to where you want it, but they still feel they have some control. I used in on my boy for our trip to Disney. He didn't want to take swimming lessons, I explained he could skip the lessons, but would wear a life jacket at the water parks, or he could take lessons and not wear a life jacket. He chose the lessons.

As far as waiting in line, take a gameboy if you have one. This was our first trip so I was really worried about lines, it was July 4th week, so I knew it would be busy. Whenever he would start to drive us nuts, I'd ask if he wanted his gameboy. We also found all kinds of little fidget toys (little toys that stretch out, pipe cleaners are great) for him to play with, but didn't really use them. Mainly forgot about them. He actually did very well in line, but we never waited more than 45 minutes.


To the person whose daughter won't try because she can't do something well. My DS is the same way. He wants to be a Goalie, but won't practice. If he can't do something, he stops trying. I keep trying to explain we all have to practice to do things well.

If anyone would like to PM me, I would love to here from you. Most of the time, only those that have children like ours, understand them. I keep hearing that there is hope, but sometimes it doesn't see possible. I just try to remember something nice that my boy does, such as when at Disney World he was running to our room and when there were a group of people he said "excuse me, coming through"! That group of people commented how they had not heard that in a few days from any children and what a good boy. They would be amazed that he had been kicked out of 4 daycares in 2 years!


They suspended her for a day, it was unofficial so it would not go on her record. but i am still at the end of my rope, i mean there are so many other things that go on over the course of a day- too much to type out.
 
Wish I had a magic answer for you...but in my experience our kids are all very different even if they have the same diagnosis. Over the 8 years I have been dealing with my sons mental health/behavioural issues I have tried every suggestion/technique and read every book I could. Trying to find a form of "discipline" that works is like a craps shoot. Every once in a while we would find success in a method and by the next week that was no longer effective. What would work for one family wouldn't work for us and vice versa.

We started out being told ds (now 10) was ADHD. However, in researching this condition I discovered it really didn't fit...kind of but not really. After years of doctors and meds and more meds and more doctors, we finally have a complete picture. We have a facility about 90 mins from here that only deals with childrens mental health issues....best in our province. Finally they agreed to see us and after a long wait we started the journey.

Ds was fearful to the point he would not be alone, could not make friends and had absolutely no social skills, he was afraid of EVERYTHING, obssessed with things like germs, bugs etc. He had no impulse control, did not sleep more than an hour or two a day and had no respect for authority. There were many other issues, too many too mention.

AFter 8 mths of tests, specialists and interviews we finally had a complete picture. His diagnosis are ASD/PDD, Bi Polar, OCD, ADHD, Central Auditory Processing Disorder, Sensory Integration Disorder and generalized anxiety disorder. A lot of big, some scary, words to describe the most delightful funny and brilliant little guy you ever want to meet.

He was in school, we did all the meds and trials, settled on a cocktail of Resperidone, CPZ and dexedrine. Seemed to make his days manageable, and help him sleep. The meds were not the perfect solution for us...we were looking at so many different diagnosis and one med would fix one problem and affect another. School was a nightmare...while he was learning social skills in the "real world" i.e restaurants (ordering for himself, exhibiting perfect behaviour), in controlled social situations such as pin trading at wdw....at school was another story. The school would not provide any supports for him outside of an IEP...which wasn't worth the paper it was printed on without the help to enforce it. He was being bullied and picked on daily and his self esteem was at an all time low. After school he was a mess, his emotions, anxiety level and frustration level was through the roof. He was having nightmares about bullies all the time.

Finally after a really tough few months I pulled him from school and began homeschooling. Instantly saw an improvement in behaviour, shortly after decided to take him off all meds....originally to "detox" him and start over. It ended up he was 10 times better without the meds and I also believe without the day to day stresses he was dealing with at school.

He is still med free (6 mths) and doing pretty good. Considering all of his diagnosis good is a relative term for us. I am looking at the possibilty of having to put him back to school in the fall...due to being forced by my ex husband (another issue) and I am dreading it.

I am not anti school, I am not anti meds...simply sharing a small sample of our journey. If it becomes necessary i wouldn't hesitate to put him on meds again....I will try everything else first. If my only choice is to put him back in school, I will search for our best options and try my best to make that work too. I believe for my son homeschooling is a perfect fit...unfortunately its not just my decision in this case.
 
HappyLawyer said:
hey, sorry i have been out of touch for a bit, it has and is stressful times, i am afraid, not of hurting my child, i mean i lover her with all my heart but i am feeling lately like i dislike her. WHAT i say, is this possible, am i disliking my own child. I am so frustrated, and when you try to talk to her, all she does is cry like a power play, it does nothing more then to p-ss me off. So i send her to her room or bed depending on the time, i am just tired and frustrated, at my whitts end! Some days we are really good, but they end badly. I am running out of ideas, i should be the one crying here.

When I feel this way, I try to remember that I don't disike my DD, I dislike her behavior, her disorders, etc. It makes it a little bit easier. Maybe instead of sending her to her room, send yourself to your room for a chance to cool off. Also, I am reading a great book right now, called Ready for Responsibility by Dr. Bob Barnes. It has some great ideas that I'm trying to implement with my kids. One of the things it discusses is teaching your child to be responsible for her actions and teaching her there are consequences for those actions, whether those be good or bad consequences. Keep your chin up, take a deep breath, and remember, one step at a time, one day at a time!
 
What type of doctor makes these types of diagnosis?

My son is 6. He is very impulsive, frustrates easily, screams bloody murder when I trim his finger/toe nails or when he goes for a haircut, can't wait in line to save his life (screams, keeps saying "It's my turn, It's my turn, It's my turn" without stopping, etc), is very anxious about doctors visits. I am beginnning to think he has some sort of sensory dysfunction, but there is something else there too. His behavior patterns seem so random and swing from one extreme to another ...and, unfortunately, he is going through a bad period right now.

As another poster mentioned, a firm schedule and positive reinforcement are keys to success for my son.

I certainly don't want him to be on medication .... but, I also don't want to get any more notes from his teacher regarding his "outbursts".

In some ways, it's comforting to know that my son is not alone and in some ways, it's scary to know that so many kids are diagnosed with these disorders.
 
LOLA2 said:
I know it's not a magic pill, I'm not stupid I have done alot of research but not too sure about medications and the length of time to notice any changes. They have put him on medication because he has putten himself in danger many a times since you asked why a 5 yo is on medication. ANYWAY, anyone else have an opinion? The Dr. said it should start working right away, it doesn't take weeks to reach it's full effect. I won't see a ton of changes but just enough to take the edge off. Anyone have children on this medication and have thoughts on it?



hey guys, let's relax anyone on here knows i am always up for a good argument, but let's all be calm. I think the problem is many people think deciding to medicate your child is an easy decision. I have seen kids like zombies from meds. I refused to put my dtr on meds, she did not start them until 81/2 she is now 10. I wish i could go back and medicate her when she was 5 and her years of school would have been much easier on her. Her meds changed and her report card was B's and 3 C's, i was so proud usually D's and F's. so the meds help her focus. This is a sensitive issue and because we are reading words, we cannot see facial expressions or hear the tones of others. I don''t think anyone means any harm, because if i did think that, they would be the first to know.
 
wvdislover said:
When I feel this way, I try to remember that I don't disike my DD, I dislike her behavior, her disorders, etc. It makes it a little bit easier. Maybe instead of sending her to her room, send yourself to your room for a chance to cool off. Also, I am reading a great book right now, called Ready for Responsibility by Dr. Bob Barnes. It has some great ideas that I'm trying to implement with my kids. One of the things it discusses is teaching your child to be responsible for her actions and teaching her there are consequences for those actions, whether those be good or bad consequences. Keep your chin up, take a deep breath, and remember, one step at a time, one day at a time!
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I read this and laughed, i cannot send myself to my room because that is where i am. She is always in there with me, so i send her to her room. I work at night, i called her this morning before she went to camp, i told her i wanted us to end the day on a good note so we will see, not every day is a bad day i think the build up just gets to me sometimes.
 
HappyLawyer

I was glad to hear they only suspended her one day. My DS7 spent 9 weeks this past year at the alternative school sitting in a cubicle. They use the same Code of Conduct for 1st graders as they do High Schoolers.

I wish I had some idea how to help you, of course I would use it on my own son also. I drive my DH nuts always wanting to go to amusement parks, etc, but the main reason is it is the one place we just have fun and the ADHD, SPD doesn't seem to effect us.

I guess that is one recommendation, just try to do some fun things and remember those fun times with your child.

Is your child like mine, when you ask why he did something, he will say "I don't want to talk about it." That makes me frustrated because I am trying to help him.

My son is occupation therapy and does seem to help. When he misses a week, I can tell. I am so excited because this school year, the OT will also come see him in the classroom. From what I have been reading, that is the best place for them to get it.

Someone had posted where to start. The best place to start to see if your child is ADHD or any of these issues is your pediatrician. I personally believe they should refer you to a child psychiatrist. I had never heard of the Sensory Processing Disorder until the psychiatrist asked about it. I am learning SPD is more of a problem for my child than the ADHD.
 
HappyLawyer said:
hey guys, let's relax anyone on here knows i am always up for a good argument, but let's all be calm. I think the problem is many people think deciding to medicate your child is an easy decision. I have seen kids like zombies from meds. I refused to put my dtr on meds, she did not start them until 81/2 she is now 10. I wish i could go back and medicate her when she was 5 and her years of school would have been much easier on her. Her meds changed and her report card was B's and 3 C's, i was so proud usually D's and F's. so the meds help her focus. This is a sensitive issue and because we are reading words, we cannot see facial expressions or hear the tones of others. I don''t think anyone means any harm, because if i did think that, they would be the first to know.

Thank you! I absolutely did not mean any harm as I know exactly how tough this is. My DS will be in 7th grade next year and with the ADD all of his school years have been difficult. Last year was much better but he still has issues especially social immaturity issues that make things very difficult.

Some people think that the medication will make an immediate difference and solve a lot of the problems (heck I was one of those people until I lived through it to know the difference) and I think they need to know that it takes time and that small changes are important.
 
Minnie said:
Thank you! I absolutely did not mean any harm as I know exactly how tough this is. My DS will be in 7th grade next year and with the ADD all of his school years have been difficult. Last year was much better but he still has issues especially social immaturity issues that make things very difficult.

Some people think that the medication will make an immediate difference and solve a lot of the problems (heck I was one of those people until I lived through it to know the difference) and I think they need to know that it takes time and that small changes are important.


no problem
 
alrighty - It's been 4 days since we started the adderall xr and my son has
been up to 12 - 1 every night. I usually am sleeping by 10:00 so this has been tough on me. Any one else experience these problems and what have you done. I am exhausted. :rotfl2:
 
LOLA2 said:
alrighty - It's been 4 days since we started the adderall xr and my son has
been up to 12 - 1 every night. I usually am sleeping by 10:00 so this has been tough on me. Any one else experience these problems and what have you done. I am exhausted. :rotfl2:

Give your DR a call. This med does not effect my DS's sleeping but others have. They tried to give him a sleep med but I refused and they changed his med instead.

Any changes like this to his sleeping patterns, eating patterns, headaches, ect let your DR know. It is very difficult to find the right one and the right doseage.

Good luck :grouphug:
 











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