Help an American DISer with advice on a family trip to Australia:LINK to PTR Post 67!

Another vote for the Great Barrier Reef, and for the Kuranda train/skyrail and markets.

My recommendation to save money - don't eat breakfasts in the hotel (unless you get it included with your room). Unlike the US where they are reasonably priced, a continental breakfast here can cost $20 (AUS) per person - eat in a cafe, or stay in a room with a kitchenette.

With only three weeks to travel, I agree that Canberra should only be a stop-over if you drive from Melbourne to Sydney. I think we have the only Parliament House in the world where the constituents can walk on the roof.
 
Hi Pete,

Thought I would give you heads up on our School Holidays that may coincide with your trip down under:

Winter Holidays

Start End
QLD Saturday, 23 June 2012 Sunday, 8 July 2012
NSW Saturday, 30 June 2012 Sunday, 15 July 2012
WA Saturday, 7 July 2012 Sunday, 22 July 2012
SA Saturday, 30 June 2012 Sunday, 15 July 2012
NT Saturday, 23 June 2012 Sunday, 22 July 2012
VIC Saturday, 30 June 2012 Sunday, 15 July 2012
ACT Saturday, 7 July 2012 Sunday, 22 July 2012
TAS Saturday, 2 June 2012 Sunday, 17 June 2012
 
It looks like the east coast trip plans are coming along well. I will throw in my two cents:

I question spending time driving. Internal flights are so cheap and there are long boring stretches with nothing - especially if you have a child in the car.

If you gain a few days by skipping the drive, I would suggest a quick trip Hobart in Tasmania. Is is only a short hop in the plane from Melbourne, the food is fabulous, the countryside is beautiful and it is particularly easy to get around for tourists as it is pretty small. The weather there will be COLD but since you need coast and winter clothes for Melbourne anyway, you will be fine.
 
Yes that is my thought too - I saw advertised flights to Melbourne $79 - I know you have to multiply that by 3 - but you would easily use $80 worth of fuel for that drive, more if you were in a camper!

My suggestion - fly to Syd - spend 4-5 days here - jump on a flight to Melbourne - hopefully your friends can drive you around here (do they have 2 cars?) - then there is a ferry you can take you and a car accross to Tasmania,(optional) return to Melb - do your ski thing as a day trip or overnighter to Mt Hotham - then jump a plane to Cairns, you would need to hire a car here- drive up to Port Douglas and Cape Tribulation (this is just a day trip) perhaps drive South to Townsville and visit Magnetic Island - then return to Sydney and home.

You can get by in Sydney without a car - if you stay somewhere central - Car hire here is quite expensive - a lot of backpackers buy a cheapie for the drive to QLD - I am sure there is websites for this- as long as comfort and reliability is not your thing -:rotfl: or we saw a lot of "wicked campers" on the road in QLD - these look like basic "hippy campers" or converted vans, with just a bed in the back, they are painted up graffiti style - there were heaps of them, so there must be a firm hiring them out somewhere. It was a game of ours to spot the wicked camper. Not my idea of a family holiday, would be fun for a couple of young hippys as long as the weather was good, but each to their own

There is quite a problem in the Sydney beach areas, such as Bondi and Coogee with backpackers setting up their campers in the most picturesque and expensive residential streets and council carparks. Along with associated noise and rubbish problems. :scared1:
 

If you gain a few days by skipping the drive, I would suggest a quick trip Hobart in Tasmania. Is is only a short hop in the plane from Melbourne, the food is fabulous, the countryside is beautiful and it is particularly easy to get around for tourists as it is pretty small. The weather there will be COLD but since you need coast and winter clothes for Melbourne anyway, you will be fine.

an you can ski in Tasmania....
 
I am falling behind in my responses...but thanks for all the great feedback. I didn't realize the internal flights would be so inexpensive as to be $79. Can I assume when everyone says something like "$79" you are talking in Australian dollars??

Anyways, this has been so great I have to get my DW to read this thread as well.

Well then you absolutely must do some skiing and July and August is a perfect time for it, though as Shushh said, it's not cheap but as it's on your bucket list it can't be missed. July and August is also a perfect time to visit the Great Barrier reef and islands. Perfect. We have these horrible little jelly fish called Irukandji. You have to wear special swim suits to go swimming, but they are only around in months with an R in them, so May June July and August are all good :)

Yuk, Jellyfish. They really creep me out. When I was a teen we took a trip to Newfoundland, Canada and saw a jellyfish washed up on a beach that was like 1.3 meters in diameter.:scared1: Don't like being in the same ocean as that!

When I was 9 my parents took me to Cairns and we took a day trip on a catamaran out to the reef, we snorkeled and went on a glass bottom boat, ate seafood and had the most amazing time. I remember so much of that trip so clearly. I think your daughter will love that. I recommend staying on an island for a couple of nights. The whitsundays are also worth a stay at. We stayed on Hamilton Island and did some daytrips from there to Daydream Island and to the best Island in the world - Whitsunday Island. It's beyond beautiful. Even half a day there is worth it. There is a lot to do at Cairns, There is an aboriginal cultural centre that is pretty good, a cable car going up to Kuranda http://www.skyrail.com.au/ and also I remember very clearly doing the Kuranda railway. It was awesome.http://www.ksr.com.au/Pages/Default.aspx

Whoa, that cable car ride looks great! I'll have to keep that in mind.

In all honesty, I think you could skip Brisbane. I live here though, and LOVE it, but I wouldn't say there is that much to see that is different from over there. KWIM? We do have the gold coast which has seaworld, dreamworld, movie world and the Australian outback (sit down meal while you watch outbacky horseriding and stuff). But my opinion is that our funparks are nothing compared to yours. Yes most Australians love them, but most Australians haven't been to disneyland. haha. So flying staight from Melbourne to Cairns or Airlie beach (Whitsunday's) would save you a lot of time and Money. Also close to Brisbane and the Gold Coast is O'reilly's, which is very beautiful, and all rainforesty and you can feed birds, but you'd get to see that at Kuranda.

Hmmm, this is certainly food for thought.

I can't give an opinion on Ayers rock as I haven't been. I will go one day but I'll go when I'm older and all the kids have moved out. I'm in no rush. People do love it though.

Also from Cairns my hubby and I did a day tour on a four wheel drive and it was called the rainforest meets the reef. It was a pretty cool day and another option for you.

To sum it up, I think if you do Melbourne, the great ocean road would be amazing, and then do Cairns, you'll get a pretty good feel for Australia. If you added Uluru You'd get to feel Australian City,snow(Melbourne) Australian Rainforest (Cairns) Australia Beaches and reef (Cairns, Whitsundays) and Australian outback (Uluru, Alice Springs). You'd have it all covered. :)

Thanks very much. Great advice.

Hi Pete,

It sounds like an amazing trip you are planning. I agree with the ladies that have suggested sticking to the east coast.
I myself have not been to the red centre but everyone who has been has said it is amazing and such an experience - but I think given your time restraints I would put this on another trips to do list.

Honestly, these responses have not made the idea to skip or go any easier...but I still think it remains lower on the priority list.

Sydney and Melbourne both have a lot to offer, I would even try and get out of Sydney for a day or 2 and to the blue mountains region, it is a lovely area and there are many things to see - the three sisters, Jenolan caves as well as some nice little towns. - its also a nice escape from the city.

If your looking for something unforgettable to do I would recommend climbing the sydney harbour bridge - it is a little pricey but extremely worth it. It is one of those once in a life time things that give you such an amazing view and insight into the city.

Ooh, I have to tell you, I have this peculiar phobia. While I am neither afraid of heights nor water, I have fear of heights OVER water, and I really am not a fan of bridges. I think the likelyhood of us doing the Harbour bridge climb is extremely low.

Hiring a car and driving the great ocean road would be good, but it also depends on how you are going for time - flying will obvioulsy be more costly but give you more time in each place.

Melbourne - my favourite city (even though I live closer to Sydney) there is so much to do, that time of year you will be able to catch some sporting events - AFL, NRL or Rugby Union if it interest you. Spending time just catching the trams and exploring the city, getting out to St Kilda and possibly a trip to Phillip Island.

I think I would bypass Brisbane as well - though maybe some people from Brisbane can offer more insight into this. I was going to suggest either some time on an island in the whitsundays or heading to Port Douglas and seeing the daintree rainforest and exploring that area.

Another vote against Brisbane, interesting...

I can't help out with the skiing sorry I have only been to the snow once when I was in school, but hopefully there are some avid skiers or families that travel to the snow that can help you out here.

Hopefully this helps a little - and I may take you up on your Niagara offer, or at least some handy tips on what to see and how long to spend there.

Happy Planning

Well, I would be more than happy to help with advice on your visit to Niagara or the northeast in general. (I grew up in Massachusetts, and have a pretty strong familiarity with a good portion of the Northeast US coast, and have traveled extensively through the eastern and western portions of the country - not as much in the center.) I see from your ticker that it looks like you have a January trip. I guess you'll get the chance at your second time in snow! Please feel free to post questions or PM me directly.

More responses to come....eventually. But, please keep those comments coming!
 
Hi Pete and family. Yup, $79 is Australian $79; tax INCLUSIVE. You'll also have to consider that tipping is optional here and not mandatory. ;)


You can regularly get MLB to SYD one way flights around $129 and on super sale they can be $79 or even on the very rare occassion down towards $39 or $59. If you haven't already started, keep an eye on JetStar, Virgin Blue or Qantas websites. You'll soon pick up the pricing ebbs and flows of our airline industry.

Hellosue posted the various school holidays earlier. It is worth keeping that in mind when you're planning on where to go and booking internal flights. Usually things get a lot more busy around school holidays. The good news is that we have a much smaller population than the US...so it won't seem that bad to you. :laughing:
 
So I guess it's not very helpful for me to tell you how great Western Australia is? The beaches, the Karri forrest, the caves in the south-west, the Margaret River region etc.. ;)

Only joking; as much as I love WA, I think sticking to the East Coast is very sensible. There's nothing worse than using up valuable holiday time travelling between destinations.

I share your heights over water fear! There was no way I was going to do the bridge climb; but something that I really enjoyed doing instead was just walking over the harbour bridge along the footpath/sidewalk - that way when you look down you're on very solid ground, there's no scary "edge" to look over, there's no safety equipment involved etc. but you still get to enjoy the beautiful views. And it's free!

Good luck with your planning :thumbsup2
 
Hi Pete, I'm not a prolific poster,:rotfl2: but I do owe you some good advice! :thumbsup2 We took your advice that you gave Princess In Oz about dining in San Francisco and I have to tell you that we thoroughly enjoyed our lunch at Scomas!:goodvibes

So therefore I will join in this discussion, although you have already been given so much good advice. ;)

Give Uluru a miss (although a wonderful experience) you do not have sufficient time to really appreciate it.

We can recommend skiing at Mount Hotham which is about a 5-6 hour drive from Melbourne towards Sydney. Mt Hotham has a larger selection of blue and black runs which would suit an experienced skier. On mountain accommodation and ski hire is plentiful. As PIO mentioned you will have to hire chains, but they are readily available on the drive up and even offer fitting services if needed. Google Mount Hotham and you will gain a wealth of information.

Do not miss the Great Barrier Reef ... on our recent trip to DLR we queued up for 30+ minutes to go on Nemo's submarines .... WHY!!!!:scared1: Seriously this ride was such a disappointment compared to snorkelling at the GBR. We even tried a snorkelling trip in Hawaii and again this pailed into nothing compared to our own wonderful GBR. :worship:

Sydney is a great town to visit, but I have to agree, give Brisbane a miss if you don't have time.

Melbourne is of course the diamond in the crown of Australia! :cool2: So much to do and of course so little time! We are from Ballarat area and can completely back up the previous recommendations of the Great Ocean Road, Ballarat Wildlife Park and my own personal favourite Sovereign Hill.

Good luck in your planning, but rest assured you will have a fabulous trip whereever you decide to go.

Sue :goodvibes
 
Since Melbourne is in there, definitely do the Great Ocean Road, it's sort of like the Big Sur coastline. Any locals will think you're crazy because it is the middle of winter, but relatively speaking you shouldn't find it too bad compared to your winters, though the wind coming up from the south can have an Antarctic chill to it. The Great Ocean Road can be a very long day daytrip from Melbourne, or you could stay away one night. You need to go as far as The Twelve Apostles (Port Campbell National Park is the easiest landmark to find on Google Maps). You can drive west on the coastal road and then come back inland which is faster (no point doing a winding coastal road in the dark). If you are foodies and want a splurge meal, you could go up to Dunkeld from the Twelve Apostles and stay at/near The Royal Mail and have dinner (an expensive dinner), widely regarded as one of the best restaurants in Australia, asnd you'd get to see around the Grampians National Park.

I am pretty sure we will get to that as a day-trip from Melbourne. While we love our food - I am not sure a super-expensive restaurant is in the cards.

Uluru, yes, you would be spending a lot of time in airports, and it's not cheap to get to/stay at, so I'll say don't worry about it. The Red Centre is very different to anywhere else, but it's a long way to go for something different when all the rest of it is different too.

Kind of leaning this way also..

The biggest problem you'll have with the weather in Victoria is sometimes it's wet in winter, sometimes it's dry, no way of knowing what it will be until you're here really, so I would try and make the scheduling as flexible as possible, though you're friends will probably expect you around on the weekend, you could do the Great Ocean Road Mon, or Tue or Wed or Thurs depending on the best weather. Phillip Island penguins might also be interesting if you've got any penguin fans in the family, but you're again at the mercy of the Victorian weather, and any locals will think you are crazy doing it in the middle of winter :)

Sounds like spring in Buffalo. Might be cold, might be warm, might be wet, might be dry. Good point on keeping it flexible.

The Grand Pacific Drive is Sydney's answer to the Great Ocean Rd, but the spectacular coastal bit of the drive is a pretty small portion of it, even so it is still worth checking out because it goes through some lovely quaint little seaside towns. It's an easy day trip from Sydney. The Blue Mountains west of Sydney is another well known day trip from Sydney. North of Sydney is the Central Coast, but it's pretty similar to the quaint little costal towns south of Sydney on the Great Ocean Road, UNLESS you have a local taking you to the spots locals take you to. Longer easy trips from Sydney (stay overnight ) are the Hunter Valley (wine and food) and Port Stephens area, more quaint costal.

We'll have to see on this one...probably limited to one "day" trip, though I think we are more likely to focus on the city itself.

The theme parks on the Gold Coast will probably be a bit so so compared to the US parks, BUT the polar bears at Sea World are amazing, better than anything I've seen in America (the underwater viewing area is fantastic), and Dreamworld is a theme park with a more Aussie angle which you could find interesting.

Yeah, I am leaning towards skipping the theme parks. We are probably going to stop at Disneyland on the way out to Aus, so I think that'll give us our "theme park" fix. Rather see the nature preserves/zoo.

Far north Queensland will be beach weather, and you have to see the Barrier Reef.

As for skiing, Australian snow fields are pretty minor, if New Zealand south Island can be stretched into the trip it would be proper skiing, otherwise, just do a long daytrip from Melbourne, there is are day tours for less than $150 per person that take you to Mt Buller from Melbourne. Or you could drive yourself, though it makes it a looooooong day. Again do it mid-week and it will be pretty quiet. www.skivic.com covers all the snow info.

Note the Australian winter school holidays are mainly the first 2 weeks on July in 2012, so many tourist things will be cheaper from 16 July 2012 or at least less crowded.

Ahhh..actually a day trip from Melbourne (if it would really be $150) might be a good way to go. I realize it could be long, but if others are doing the driving, all the better.

And the Australia Zoo is a must visit for your daughter. It really is wonderful.

Isn't that somewhere North of Brisbane? That zoo is pretty well known up here thanks to the late Steve Irwin. DD used to watch a Wiggles video with Steve and his family filmed there at the zoo.

Most things have been said...

+1 to Great Ocean Road, Great barrier Reef, north Qld. Love Blue Mountains for a Sydney Day Trip. Will be cold.

I'd skip Brisbane too, our theme parks are pretty poor compared to the US parks, though Australia Zoo is pretty good north of Brisbane.

Skiing I can't comment too much on, though most people I know go to NZ to ski!

I think Continental fly via Guam into Cairns if you wanted to start up north and make your was down going hot to cold!

I guess that answers my question on is Australia Zoo north of Brisbane!

We probably won't fly directly into Cairns, since we need to fly Delta to use our free miles.

A question for all: What is considered by you the BEST ZOO / AUQUARIUM in Australia. I know the Australia Zoo and the Sydney Zoo are nice...but are they the best?...again with only three weeks we probably only go to maybe 1 zoo and 1 aquarium, though I am not necessarily counting nature preserves in that list.

SkierPete
 
I love reading these posts and seeing everyones favourite piece of Australia is.
Another recommendation for Sydney, if you do not want the expense and physical exertion of climbing the Harbour Bridge - which is awesome - climb to the observation deck in the South/East Pylon - the view is just as good, there is some interesting history inside, you dont have to suit up and take 4hours to do it and its a fraction of the cost. :thumbsup2

Like this a lot...especailly with my bridge phobia!

Hi Skier_Pete,

As everyone has said before me, Australia is a vast wonderful place to see - unfortunately there is too much to see in a short period of time with everything spread so far and wide.

Like your Friends my town is Melbourne I live in Mernda and to give you my opinion my best visits are:
Ballarat Wildlife park www.wildlifepark.com.au (you can either pat or cuddle a koala here and get up close with Kangaroos my daughters fed them last time we were there) in my opinion this is better than Healesville Sanctuary because you can get so up close with Australia's Fauna. www.sovereignhill.com.au which is a re-created Gold Mining Village great to see our history in gold mining and pan for gold in the re-created creek with real gold to be found.

Phillip Island - www.visitphillipisland.com for penguins, seals & koalas

The Great Ocean Road is fantastic and Port Campbell (12 Apostles - is great to see but there is only 9 left I think and London Bridge did fall down "he he he")

A wonder around the City would be educational "Block Acarde" a ride on a Melbourne Tram; China Town; Eureka Sky Tower; visit our famous MCG (football/Cricket Oval) etc visit web site for more info www.visitmelbourne.com

East Coast of Tassie is fantastic going from Port Arthur - Historical Convict Settlement travelling up along the coast visiting towns as Swansee and Bichineo with blow holes; penguins tours where they literally walk over your feet and get up close with a Tassie Devil. Magestic scenerary and great fun.
www.discovertasmania.com/

Whatever you decide to do, I'm sure you will be exhausted by the end of your journey.

Those all sound great. The wildlife park where you can interact with the animals would be a big plus. I am pretty sure we will do Phillip island as DD really wants to see the little penguins. (She is kind of obsessed with penguins lately.) Would likely want a city tour as well.

Your the first to suggest Tasmania, but I noticed others further down...I am not sure we can squeeze it in, but there's a lot to appeal!
 
Well, we're from the U.S. but we've done 2 four week trips with our kids in the last six years and then we'd gone before without them.... If you will be in Melbourne, investigate the Great Ocean Road. We drove it once, we didn't have plans to go off it but I saw signs for a lighthouse and we decided to take it, well, we got lost on the road (it was small so we weren't so lost) and found ourselves in koala heaven, there were hundreds of them hanging from the tree's above our heads! The most fascinating thing ever... then we stopped at one of the stops on the road with no particular purpose and saw the smallest marsupial, my husband thought it was a rat, I said no, it mustn't be as it was hopping like a kangaroo would.. there was an Aussie there who said he'd been driving the road for 7 years and had never been fortunate to see one until that moment. Another fascinating moment.

Kangaroo Island is FANTASTIC to see wildlife. (It's a flight from Melbourne or Adelaide) We stayed at a cabin/campground (we stayed in the cabin) and daily we had kangaroo's around us (among other critters)... you must be careful not to hit the kangaroos or other animals however, so it's a slow go, but totally worth the trip. You can fly or drive from Melbourne, in fact you can take the GOR much of the way to Adelaide (which we did). If you have time drive through the Grampian Mountain Range, perhaps stay a night.

We've been to Sydney so often now that we only stay for a few nights, eat at our favorite restaurant and move on... but a cruise on the Harbour and the Opera House are beautiful and the zoo is really quite good there. It's not to be missed. There is much to see and do in Sydney, so many different sections of the city. With time in mind I'd stick to the main attractions and move on. Since you will be there during the cooler months I would suggest a visit to the Blue Mountains if you have time.

I'm in the minority, we love Brisbane and we never miss it, we visit a themepark called DreamWorld that is so fascinating... there are rides (good ones) but then there is a completely different side where you visit all the animals. Each part of Australia is represented there, you walk among the kangaroo's. Last we were there you could still hold a koala, although I understand the rules surrounding that might have changed. If you are making this a once in a lifetime trip take a trip over to Moreton Island to stay the night at Tangalooma Resort and feed the wild dolphins. That was a wonderful experience. The accommodations aren't what we are accustomed to, but the experience is priceless... Once we visit the city and the beaches we move up to a place called Noosa, it's a gem of a vacation destination and one that foreigner's often don't visit. You can ride camel's on Rainbow Beach and pretty much relax and have a wonderful time exploring the area.

We have also been to Cairn's without the kids, although we have not been during the months you are going. I can recommend a wonderful place to stay (Kewarra Beach Resort). You must take a tour of the Great Barrier Reef.

We have been to Alice Springs and Ayer's Rock, too bad they have implemented a speed limit between the two places :) but, if time were a concern, this is one stop I wouldn't make. It was nice, we liked it, but with younger children they really couldn't appreciate it. This is a trip best kept for the adults IMHO...

I would never go through a tour operator that schedules every activity. Sometimes you can save money by purchasing a tour through Qantas that includes a certain number of stops in the country and that can work out well, but the one thing we have learned in Australia is that the most exciting experiences we've had were the ones we never planned on. We still have to go back and bring the kids to Cairns/Port Douglas, Darwin and Perth as they have never been (and I want to drive to Monkey Mia from Perth), that's another 4 week trip but should round out all the places we have yet to visit with the kids :)

Once you go to Oz you never stop... Whatever you do, wherever you stay, have a wonderful time while you are there! And, in fact you might get some skiing in, although as someone said it will be expensive.

I just saw your last question... for us the best zoo was everywhere :) If I was limited I would go to the Sydney Zoo, but I like Dreamworld for it's zoo you get so up close and personal. There are a couple of low cost air carriers in AU, so I think we booked our internal travel anywhere from 79 to 139.00 AU but we watched the flights for quite a long time waiting for sales. We went during their summer/school vacations, I bet the off season would be even better.
 
Hi Pete,

If DD is really into penguins best experience EVER was to go on tour @ Bicheno TAS having those little furry Penguin waddle right by you and even over your feet is really worth every cent and I must admit I haven't been to Penguin Parade at Phillip Island for a few years but it is more controlled/commercial environment for the humans and no up close positions. I think you would get closer at the Melbourne Zoo and see them being fed..... My daughters fed the Kangaroos and patted Koala's at Ballarat Wildlife and thought it was worth mentioning to you but I would still email them to see if they still let you before you visit.
Has your head stopped spinning with all the advice and choices of destinations?
Can't wait to see your final itinerary.
 
I live in Melbourne so will concentrate on there:

If you like a Zoo then Melbourne Zoo should be on your list - it is a beautiful place (and on weekends, public holidays and school holidays children under 16 are free at all 3 Victorian Zoos - Melbourne, Healesville and Werribee). And I also recommend Healesville Sanctuary in Mebourne which is all Australian wildlife - so platypus, koalas, emus, kangaroos, Tassie devils etc (and you can have close encounters with some of them for a small extra fee).

Healesville is part of the Yarra Valley which is a wine region - so you could stop and have dinner at a winery after going to the Sanctuary, gorgeous food and views.

Melbourne and Sydney both have aquariums - I have only been to the Melbourne one so don't know which is better. They have penguins, sharks, rays and lots of other interesting sea life.

There is a free tram in Melbourne called the "city circle tram" which stops at major attractions around the city and also tells you about the city as you go around.

I'll come back if I think of anything else:)

Cool! Thanks very much for the info. The Healsville sanctuary sounds particularly interesting. (The Toronto has a big Australia section - so just to see Australian animals - I'd rather try seeing them in the wild, or have a more interactive experience.)

The City Circle Tram sounds like a great way to spend a day.

The drive from Sydney to Melbourne down the Hume highway is pretty boring. If you were considering going skiing, this is time to think about it. You could either ski the NSW snowfields - Thredbo is a very pretty village and has nice wide runs. It's at the foot of Mt Kosciuszko, which is the highest mountain in Australia, a mere 2228 meters above sea level.
The alternative is to ski the Victorian snowfields; which would be about halfway between Syd and Mel. I personally like Falls Creek. But the other option is Mt Hotham.

One day skiing is likely to set you back about $250 - $300 per person, depending on food. Lift tickets are about $130 per day (and discounted for more days). Assuming equipment and clothes hire for the day is about $70; and I'm only going by memory because it's been a while since I've hired ski gear. You'll also have to pay the entry fee for bringing a car in and it is mandatory to carry snow chains in the car when going to the snow. This is irrespective of whether it snows or not. So, you'll have to hire some from the base of the mountains.

If you weren't going skiing, I'd consider flying SYD-MLB.

The drive from Cairns down to Sydney is likely to take 2 days straight driving. But there are loads to see along the coast road.

There are a number of caravan parks along the way that offer cabin accommodation. It is worth checking them out; if that's what you want to do. Hotel accommodation is pricey in Oz; but it is along the lines of what you would pay in the US. The caravan park cabins provide an alternative that is reasonable; plus, you're likely to meet other people either driving in the same direction or have come from the other direction with recommendations for where to go.

If you are driving down, aside from the recommendations already mentioned, take a look at the Sapphire Coast in Queensland. It's near where Bundaberg is and the very small towns of 1770 and Agnas Water. It's less commercial than the Sunshine Coast and the Gold Coast, and beautiful. 1770 is where Captain Cook first landed when he got to Australia....took a look round at the mangrove swamps and decided to keep heading south to Botany Bay, where Sydney is. There are a couple of islands off that coastline - e.g., Lady Musgrave Island and there are charter boats to take you out to sea.

For the GBR, Cairns is considered Upper Reef. The Whitsunday Islands provide access to the Lower Reef. Look at Shute Harbour if you're interested in the Whitsundays.


We'll definitely lock in at least a night when you're here!

Well, with those very reasonable prices for flying Sydney to Melbourne, we might just do that and take a day-trip for the skiing. I will look closely at both options. I am concerned about the skiing prices wreaking havoc with our budget, but I really do want to try and fit it in! Spending $600-800 for a single day will be tough.

Oh I finally bothered to look at the exchange rate - looks like the Sydney $ is slightly favorable right now - but for the most part I guess I can think of it as 1-to-1 for the moment.

I concur with PIO about the drive from Sydney to Melbourne. The drive from Sydney to Cairns although long, would have much more to offer.

As much I love the Blue Mountains and the Hunter Valley, I think that in the interest of time and budget as well as comparing what the rest of the country has to offer, it is better to leave them out and just concentrate on Sydney proper. Around 3-4 days should do it, then you can relax and enjoy the road trip. Unless you are a big wine buff, I personally feel that the Hunter isn't as fun for an 8 year old.

In Sydney, the obvious attraction is the harbour front but there is a free city circle bus (route 555) that does frequent loops. So you can utilise that and stay closer to Chinatown and save a bit of money. http://www.sydneybuses.info/free-shuttles The link has a map and hours of operation to help you plan.

Some of my other free/cheap activities in Sydney include:
-The Bronte to Bondi walk http://www.visitnsw.com/Bondi_to_Bronte_P677.aspx
-Catching the ferry from Circular to Manly or Taronga Zoo
-An alternative is to catch the Ferry to Luna Park and then walk back across the bridge and go on to the SE pylon, or catching the ferry to Watson's Bay for fish and chips and an amazing view of the gap.
-Spending a day at Darling Harbour. Entries to the various attractions in the area I think are optional. I love just sitting with a coffee and people watching. Lots to do for an 8 year old.
-Wandering around the rocks, Circular Quay and the Botanical Gardens
-The Opera House has a children's program which is quite good. Would be more entertaining that the usual adult fine arts! I've been to a few and my children love it. THey have different shows for different age groups. 2012 program not out yet but keep an eye out. http://www.sydneyoperahouse.com/About/Program_Kids_At_The_House.aspx

You are in the midst of obsessive compulsive planners! I'm sure we'd all love to help you fine tune...Will come back if I think of any more

Thanks! That's a good point about the compulsive planners. That's what you mostly find on the DISboards. But this is what I wanted to find and why I came here. I couldn't travel half-way around the world and just wing it. It's not in my nature - and in addition I find when we do that, we accomplish so much less.

I am figuring on 3-4 days in Sydney (thinking our arrival day + 3 full additional days and maybe a day at the end as well). The opera house kids program would be great. We have to keep in mind the things we do have to keep DD interested as well if we can.
 
Oh I finally bothered to look at the exchange rate - looks like the Sydney $ is slightly favorable right now - but for the most part I guess I can think of it as 1-to-1 for the moment.
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:rolleyes: (I really can't resist this one)......The Sydney $?

Yeah...it's worth slightly less than that the Aussie $, which is trading at 1.07 to 1 at the moment. :rolleyes1


Pete - You asked about zoos. The Healesville Sanctuary is great for Aussie animals; as is the Australian Zoo up in the Sunshine Coast of Queensland. If your Melbourne friends take you to Phillip Island, there is a Koala Sanctuary on the island that almost guarantees you seeing them 'au naturale'. The Fairy Penguins are also a major drawcard if you want to see animals.

I'd also recommend that you go towards Fraser Island, again in the Sunshine Coast. This is the largest sand island in the world; pristine clear sand filtered water that runs through sub-tropical flora. The island also has Dingos, which are considered to be the genetically purest dingos in Australia (no interbreeding with dogs)....and I think it still has wild brumbies. You can take a day tour to Fraser Island out of Noosa or Hervey Bay.

Melbourne and Sydney have good aquariums but I also like the aquarium in Mooloolaba - Underwater World. You might need to do your research on which one suits your family better and what the comparative prices are against how long you are going to be in each location (and what else there is to do).
 
Melbourne and Sydney have good aquariums but I also like the aquarium in Mooloolaba - Underwater World. You might need to do your research on which one suits your family better and what the comparative prices are against how long you are going to be in each location (and what else there is to do).

The Melbourne Aquarium has the most fantastic Antarctica display, penguins galore!
http://www.melbourneaquarium.com.au/Explore-the-Aquarium/Worlds/Antarctica
Not the same as Philip Island (better I reckon :laughing:)
 
SkierPete, as someone from the West Coast, I wont make comment on the east coast portion of your trip, and you are right to not even consider coming to our side of the country because of your tight time frame. But just bear in mind that Australia is an incredibly expensive country to spend time in. Accommodation can be crippillingly expensive, food (whilst of a tremendous quality) is also expensive and petrol is roughly twice the cost of the US (if you are considering driving).
Now don't get me wrong. Australia is a terrific country to visit with some wonderful sightseeing. But just be wary about the costs that the average American can be shocked by (and I have US relatives who are constantly amazed at how expensive the cost of living in Australia keeps skyrocketing every time they visit).
 
Been sort of busy, but I wanted to respond to the remaining comments as I can. Really we haven't done much additional planning yet. The "1-year until our trip" mark was just passed!

Hi Pete

I have lived in many parts of the country. The distances of driving will eat into your days. From melbourne to Brisbane is 15 hours without stops. I have just taken my girls on a road trip from brisbane to Townsville which is four hours south of cairns and it was a good 13 hour drive. With stops each way was 15 hours and we did no sightseeing in between.

The drive from melbourne to Brisbane is inland. It is a little more scenic this way and as princess in oz I think mentioned passes near the oz ski fields. There are motorhome rental companies that you could pick up in Melbourne and the. Drop off in cairns.

The great ocean road is beautiful, we have done this three times.


Just be mindful of the distances and plan realistic Daily drives. Kangaroos love jumping across the road at sunrise/sunset and also can really damage a car.

We have driven the east coast many ways over the years and also from Townsville over to Darwin. Happy to answer any questions you might have about specific trips and roads.

Thanks...I agree we want to try and limit the long drives...in fact I think I am going to try and limit it to one.

I think I have a fairly good concept of distances. I find I think of Australia as similar in size to the USA, and sort of use that as my landmark. I think the only times we would drive is if we are going to make some stops along the way. This is why I am thinking flying to Cairns and then staying a couple days, then driving down the coast over several days. (Or vice versa, driving UP to Cairns then flying back to Melbourne or Sydney.)

Another vote for the Great Barrier Reef, and for the Kuranda train/skyrail and markets.

My recommendation to save money - don't eat breakfasts in the hotel (unless you get it included with your room). Unlike the US where they are reasonably priced, a continental breakfast here can cost $20 (AUS) per person - eat in a cafe, or stay in a room with a kitchenette.

With only three weeks to travel, I agree that Canberra should only be a stop-over if you drive from Melbourne to Sydney. I think we have the only Parliament House in the world where the constituents can walk on the roof.

Good tip on the food. We don't need fancy meals or breakfasts...we don't mind eating simple to save money.

Hi Pete,

Thought I would give you heads up on our School Holidays that may coincide with your trip down under:

Winter Holidays

Start End
QLD Saturday, 23 June 2012 Sunday, 8 July 2012
NSW Saturday, 30 June 2012 Sunday, 15 July 2012
WA Saturday, 7 July 2012 Sunday, 22 July 2012
SA Saturday, 30 June 2012 Sunday, 15 July 2012
NT Saturday, 23 June 2012 Sunday, 22 July 2012
VIC Saturday, 30 June 2012 Sunday, 15 July 2012
ACT Saturday, 7 July 2012 Sunday, 22 July 2012
TAS Saturday, 2 June 2012 Sunday, 17 June 2012

We shouldn't have a problem here - we're thinking of leaving from our house July 21st, and with a stop at DLR would likely not arrive in Australia until July 25th or 26th. Hopefully that will keep costs a little below peak pricing!
 
It looks like the east coast trip plans are coming along well. I will throw in my two cents:

I question spending time driving. Internal flights are so cheap and there are long boring stretches with nothing - especially if you have a child in the car.

If you gain a few days by skipping the drive, I would suggest a quick trip Hobart in Tasmania. Is is only a short hop in the plane from Melbourne, the food is fabulous, the countryside is beautiful and it is particularly easy to get around for tourists as it is pretty small. The weather there will be COLD but since you need coast and winter clothes for Melbourne anyway, you will be fine.

Yes that is my thought too - I saw advertised flights to Melbourne $79 - I know you have to multiply that by 3 - but you would easily use $80 worth of fuel for that drive, more if you were in a camper!

My suggestion - fly to Syd - spend 4-5 days here - jump on a flight to Melbourne - hopefully your friends can drive you around here (do they have 2 cars?) - then there is a ferry you can take you and a car accross to Tasmania,(optional) return to Melb - do your ski thing as a day trip or overnighter to Mt Hotham - then jump a plane to Cairns, you would need to hire a car here- drive up to Port Douglas and Cape Tribulation (this is just a day trip) perhaps drive South to Townsville and visit Magnetic Island - then return to Sydney and home.

You can get by in Sydney without a car - if you stay somewhere central - Car hire here is quite expensive - a lot of backpackers buy a cheapie for the drive to QLD - I am sure there is websites for this- as long as comfort and reliability is not your thing -:rotfl: or we saw a lot of "wicked campers" on the road in QLD - these look like basic "hippy campers" or converted vans, with just a bed in the back, they are painted up graffiti style - there were heaps of them, so there must be a firm hiring them out somewhere. It was a game of ours to spot the wicked camper. Not my idea of a family holiday, would be fun for a couple of young hippys as long as the weather was good, but each to their own

There is quite a problem in the Sydney beach areas, such as Bondi and Coogee with backpackers setting up their campers in the most picturesque and expensive residential streets and council carparks. Along with associated noise and rubbish problems. :scared1:

an you can ski in Tasmania....

Oh, these are all very helpful. I never thought about Tasmania as a destination. Maybe the concept of going there and skiing there might make some sense.

I do think I am now leaning towards what "battymum" says...spend a few days in Sydney, and then fly to Melbourne, and spend some time there. Narrowing down exactly what we do there will be difficult. Certainly to coast road (12 aposotles?) and problaby skiing - but will definitely look at the option of going over to Tas for a day or two.
 
The two ski fields in Tasmania are Ben Lomond, which is in the north, closer to Launceston. The other is Mount Field National Park, which is south, closer to Hobart.

Not being a skier myself, I don't know how they rate in comparison to the ski fields on the Mainland.
 















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