Have you seen this?

[PrincessKsMom]

And here's what they were doing on Tuesday afternoon:

http://www.myfoxny.com/video -- Scroll down to Bikers on Sidewalk.

Upstanding citizens yet again out for a leisurely drive. Damn good thing no idiots babysitters were on the sidewalk with carriages that might have run over the poor, innocent bikers.

 

[JakeJenna]

I don't think the SUV driver should be prosecuted I understand what he did and may have very well done the same myself. However he could have laid on his horn and made it obvious he was going to take off. Maybe because I'm a male that grew up around violence I didn't see the part before he ran the guy over as threatening as most here did. I keep reading mob mentality here and I don't see it, in the video there are no more than 5 people not still on there bikes. I would guess at least one or two of them were helping the person that was just hit. I do think the SUV driver was reckless but I understand why, and he shouldn't be prosecuted IMO. I don't understand how you can not feel sympathy for someone because he got caught with a little weed and no license.

Here is my take on that actual event, and I still feel anyone not giving sympathy to a man that will never walk again is a deplorable human being.

You asked for other sources and they were supplied. The different links corroborate each other in details. NOW, you are deeming what is credible or not. AND you will not do any of your OWN research to find any other information. . . Are you related to that other poster who didn't bother watching any videos (even on TV) and just posted a whole bunch of uninformed opinions?

A quick google search is loaded with people questioning the NY Posts credibility.


The Post's reporting of the Boston bombing

Less than two hours after the Boston Marathon terrorist attacks, the New York Post flashed exclusive news about a Saudi national who was under guard at a Boston hospital and that the casualty total had reached 12 dead. The problem was that none of this information has been verified by any other news organization and the Post quietly walked back from its initial reporting on the number of fatalities.

Wow what a reliable source you have there. Is that really where you get your news?

YES, according to the initial evidence and the appearance of his tires being slashed, they were. And anyone who has listened to police press conferences, the police make statements as to the initial evidence, until further research comes in. It doesn't mean his tires weren't slashed.

Done with you.

I didn't say they weren't slashed, I said they may not have been slashed at the time the driver originally fled. Notice they didn't say apparently about the other facts of the case.

Wow, wow, and wow! I usually stay out of these heated conversations, but this is too much. Have you watched the full video? Have you seen the still photo's of the driver after being beaten?
Have you seen any of the news footage with the police speaking to the press about what happened? The police are not credible??

The Police are generally credible, the problem is the sensationalized things people are quoting as facts were not reported by the police or any other credible source. People are quoting facebook posts, the NY Post and there own opinions of the video as fact. The police never mentioned any motive to stop them only slow them down to open up the highway to do there tricks, yet here on the DIS they were obviously out to terrorize this family. So shouldn't the police believed here or only when it supports ones position?

Edit- Don't forget about this video people are saying shows them pulling someone from the vehicle and beating. Yet no one can including myself can find this condemning video, again its being used as a fact. Wouldn't the police have mentioned this previous behavior? Instead the worst thing the police mentioned was a rally last year that disrupted traffic in Times Square. Should the police not be trusted here either?

 

[Planogirl]

I can't believe that anyone would defend these bikers. It boggles the mind.

My best to the victim and his family.

 

[PrincessKsMom]

Here is my take on that actual event, and I still feel anyone not giving sympathy to a man that will never walk again is a deplorable human being.


A quick google search is loaded with people questioning the NY Posts credibility.


The Post's reporting of the Boston bombing
Wow what a reliable source you have there. Is that really where you get your news?

I didn't say they weren't slashed, I said they may not have been slashed at the time the driver originally fled. Notice they didn't say apparently about the other facts of the case.

The Police are generally credible, the problem is the sensationalized things people are quoting as facts were not reported by the police or any other credible source. People are quoting facebook posts, the NY Post and there own opinions of the video as fact. The police never mentioned any motive to stop them only slow them down to open up the highway to do there tricks, yet here on the DIS they were obviously out to terrorize this family. So shouldn't the police believed here or only when it supports ones position?

Edit- Don't forget about this video people are saying shows them pulling someone from the vehicle and beating. Yet no one can including myself can find this condemning video, again its being used as a fact. Wouldn't the police have mentioned this previous behavior? Instead the worst thing the police mentioned was a rally last year that disrupted traffic in Times Square. Should the police not be trusted here either?

Come on, level with us. Are you a family member of one of these bikers who does this kind of stuff?

 

[luvmy3]

Here is my take on that actual event, and I still feel anyone not giving sympathy to a man that will never walk again is a deplorable human being.

An innocent good samaritan deserves sympathy. That man does not. I won't go as far as saying he got what he deserved, but at least there will be one of less thug riding in that gang.

 

[pyrxtc]

And it's pointless to argue with someone who thinks that motorcycles don't have brakes.

They don't have the same type of brakes that cars do and you can slam on. If they did that, they would flip forward. They were both going pretty slow by that point.

 

[wvjules]

They don't have the same type of brakes that cars do and you can slam on. If they did that, they would flip forward. They were both going pretty slow by that point.

You said they had no brakes, which as you can see from the video the biker did have brakes because he used them which resulted in the car hitting him.

 

[BellePrincessBelle]

They don't have the same type of brakes that cars do and you can slam on. If they did that, they would flip forward. They were both going pretty slow by that point.

You said bikes don't have brakes. Many of us corrected you. Bikes do in fact have brakes. No one ever claimed that bikes have exactly the same type as cars. You can still "brake check" on a bike. Many of us have ridden bikes in the past & are very familiar with how they work.

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[DisneyJamieCA]

Here is my take on that actual event, and I still feel anyone not giving sympathy to a man that will never walk again is a deplorable human being.

A quick google search is loaded with people questioning the NY Posts credibility.

The Post's reporting of the Boston bombing
Wow what a reliable source you have there. Is that really where you get your news?

I didn't say they weren't slashed, I said they may not have been slashed at the time the driver originally fled. Notice they didn't say apparently about the other facts of the case.

The Police are generally credible, the problem is the sensationalized things people are quoting as facts were not reported by the police or any other credible source. People are quoting facebook posts, the NY Post and there own opinions of the video as fact. The police never mentioned any motive to stop them only slow them down to open up the highway to do there tricks, yet here on the DIS they were obviously out to terrorize this family. So shouldn't the police believed here or only when it supports ones position?

Edit- Don't forget about this video people are saying shows them pulling someone from the vehicle and beating. Yet no one can including myself can find this condemning video, again its being used as a fact. Wouldn't the police have mentioned this previous behavior? Instead the worst thing the police mentioned was a rally last year that disrupted traffic in Times Square. Should the police not be trusted here either?

They did show the video of the other incident on GMA yesterday (the one that happened last year).

This morning the police released a statement that the driver who did the illegal brake-check is the one responsible for setting off the entire chain of events and he is the one currently in custody.

And you have yet to answer what you would have done in this family's situation. What should they have done? You seriously think they should have sat there to see if it escalated beyond "property damage". And then when it did, what should they have done? And you're naive to think it would have ended with just them hitting the car.

But I have to agree with another poster...you must somehow be related to a member of the bike gang (yes, they ARE a gang by definition) to come to their defense this way.

 

[PrincessKsMom]

There was apparently a show of support last evening outside the hospital for the injured biker. I'd like to see a show of support, by bikers, of the SUV driver. That would speak volumes. If these idiots are giving all bikers a bad name, why aren't more bikers voicing their opinion and shouting them down? And the family has started a FB page for Justice. I think he got justice, just not the kind they were hoping for. And if anyone sees a defense fund started for the SUV driver, please post a link because I would honestly support that 100%.

 

[brockash]

There was apparently a show of support last evening outside the hospital for the injured biker. I'd like to see a show of support, by bikers, of the SUV driver. That would speak volumes. If these idiots are giving all bikers a bad name, why aren't more bikers voicing their opinion and shouting them down? And the family has started a FB page for Justice. I think he got justice, just not the kind they were hoping for. And if anyone sees a defense fund started for the SUV driver, please post a link because I would honestly support that 100%.

ITA! I would also support and donate to a defense fund (can't imagine it would ever be for criminal but any idiot can sue) set up for the true victims.

 

[Shutterbug]

There was apparently a show of support last evening outside the hospital for the injured biker. I'd like to see a show of support, by bikers, of the SUV driver. That would speak volumes. If these idiots are giving all bikers a bad name, why aren't more bikers voicing their opinion and shouting them down? And the family has started a FB page for Justice. I think he got justice, just not the kind they were hoping for. And if anyone sees a defense fund started for the SUV driver, please post a link because I would honestly support that 100%.

I read there were not that many bikers there due to the fact that the police were waiting for them. Several had their bikes confiscated. I will try to find the link where I read that.

 

[Shutterbug]

So you would respond to property damage with physical assault?

How does the driver not know they arent trying to break into the car to get at him or his family? He was surrounded, sounds like self defense to me.

 

[bcla]

Edit- Don't forget about this video people are saying shows them pulling someone from the vehicle and beating. Yet no one can including myself can find this condemning video, again its being used as a fact. Wouldn't the police have mentioned this previous behavior? Instead the worst thing the police mentioned was a rally last year that disrupted traffic in Times Square. Should the police not be trusted here either?

There is no video showing the attack. Whoever posted the video either cut it off or edited it before posting. However, there are photos of the driver face down on the pavement, unconscious, and covered with blood. There's no doubt that he was attacked by this group of bikers, and there are witnesses. That there's no video available of the attack is secondary. It's pretty obvious that this group beat him up.

 

[JakeJenna]

They did show the video of the other incident on GMA yesterday (the one that happened last year).

This morning the police released a statement that the driver who did the illegal brake-check is the one responsible for setting off the entire chain of events and he is the one currently in custody.

And you have yet to answer what you would have done in this family's situation. What should they have done? You seriously think they should have sat there to see if it escalated beyond "property damage". And then when it did, what should they have done? And you're naive to think it would have ended with just them hitting the car.

But I have to agree with another poster...you must somehow be related to a member of the bike gang (yes, they ARE a gang by definition) to come to their defense this way.

The only clip I have seen was linked here, it was one idiot throwing one punch. Yet it's described here that they took someone out of their car and beat him, what video did you see on GMA? I read yesterday from multiple sources that the guy who caused the accident was arraigned and released on bond. I have answered that question several times, I very well may have done the same thing it's impossible to know without being in the situation. As for what he should have done if it escalated the same thing he did. I have not seen or read any evidence that they were trying to get in his vehicle at that point(correct me if I missed something), so there was no reason he had to be out that second he could have revved his engine and blew his horn and the now paralyzed man would have likely moved.

An innocent good samaritan deserves sympathy. That man does not. I won't go as far as saying he got what he deserved, but at least there will be one of less thug riding in that gang.

All people deserve my sympathy, maybe we enjoy different reading though.

There is no video showing the attack. Whoever posted the video either cut it off or edited it before posting. However, there are photos of the driver face down on the pavement, unconscious, and covered with blood. There's no doubt that he was attacked by this group of bikers, and there are witnesses. That there's no video available of the attack is secondary. It's pretty obvious that this group beat him up.

I'm talking about a completely different video

 

[luvmy3]

The only clip I have seen was linked here, it was one idiot throwing one punch. Yet it's described here that they took someone out of their car and beat him, what video did you see on GMA? I read yesterday from multiple sources that the guy who caused the accident was arraigned and released on bond. I have answered that question several times, I very well may have done the same thing it's impossible to know without being in the situation. As for what he should have done if it escalated the same thing he did. I have not seen or read any evidence that they were trying to get in his vehicle at that point(correct me if I missed something), so there was no reason he had to be out that second he could have revved his engine and blew his horn and the now paralyzed man would have likely moved.

So that book you read teaches you to be a mind reader. I'd probably enjoy reading that.

 

[EMom]

The few people posting here about how the SUV driver overreacted must fall into one of the following categories:

1. Relative of one of the bikers involved
2. In a similar gang or a relative thereof
3. So naïve they should never leave their house

 

[FireDancer]

I have no sympathy for these bikers. Even if the Range Rover did initially hit a biker without provocation (which I don't believe) the proper thing to do is get the license plate number and call the police, not chase him down and surround him. The biker who pulled in front of the SUV and slowed down so he'd be hit is an idiot. Doing that in a car makes you a idiot, doing it on a bike is even worse.

The mere fact they decided to chase him down instead of just call the police makes it pretty clear they are nuts or vigilantes or worse so if I were driving that SUV I'd assume their goal is to surround, corner, and attack me. I'd use my vehicle as a weapon in that scenario too. It is best to do it at high speed on the freeway so they can't get to your tires, smash your windows, and pull you out. He really should have been swerving left and right to get the bikes surrounding him and never got off the freeway. Staying on the freeway would have also made it easier for the police or highway patrol to intervene.

These "stunt riders" have been around a while and this isn't the first time they have caused problems. Looking at the prior actions of these bikers both in the past and this case I think the less of them out there the better. This event didn't happen in isolation. It happened as part of a pattern. <expletive deleted> them.

 

[DisneyJamieCA]

The few people posting here about how the SUV driver overreacted must fall into one of the following categories:

1. Relative of one of the bikers involved
2. In a similar gang or a relative thereof
3. So naïve they should never leave their house

That about sums it up!

 

[Albort]

You said they had no brakes, which as you can see from the video the biker did have brakes because he used them which resulted in the car hitting him.

To be honest, i can see why OP would say there are no brakes. It really doesnt look like he hit the brakes at all. Im guessing its probably engine braking though...

Speaking of brakes, if i recall correctly, bikes have 2 sets of brakes that can be applied one with the foot and one with the hands. which one is which, im not too sure.

Sympathy for the biker? Tried, but nearly impossible. :\ I mean, regardless of what happen, the guy who is paralyzed shouldnt have been there in the first place. guy doesnt even have a license to drive a car let alone a bike...