Have questions re: college tuition/loans for DD

What we're seeing is the same. Thinking back to last year's graduates, I think only three received full ride scholarships. One of those was military and the others were academic. Athletic full-rides are super-rare, and we had none last year. I know of a number of students who received tuition-only type scholarships, and they're all perhaps top 10% of the class students.

I see way too many people assuming that scholarships will come along and save the day -- but it's dangerous to assume that. I'd be thrilled if my daughter gets a scholarship (and since she's going into nursing, she has a better than average chance), but I've saved money with the assumption that I'm paying.

We know a family that is banking on their son receiving a full soccer scholarship. He is only 12! They have been preparing this kid for professional soccer since he was 3. The dad has asked me multiple times why my son isn't heavy into sports so he can get a scholarship. I just laugh. With the money they have spent on their son to get private training, travel expenses for the multiple leagues he plays in, trips to England to watch the "best," and the $100 they pay him everytime he scores a goal, they could have paid for an ivy league school in cash by the time the kid is ready for college. I will be very interested in seeing what happens with this child in a few years. I am betting a full ride sports scholarship is not in his future. Time will tell.
 
Accepting financial aid or scholarships does not make one a lesser human being or some "lower class" type. Colleges can and do use financial aid and scholarships to attract the students they want. If you can pay cash for your child's education, good for you. Please be aware, though, that she may not grow up to fit the mold you have prepared for her. What if she wants to do something else, such as teaching or public service? Is that unacceptable?
 
Yes, kids in the top 10 are going to get good scholarships -- but for my school, that leaves about 370 other students, and I assume that MOST of the parents here are not parents of top 10 kids (the law of averages would say that it'd be rather unusual). My own daughter is a very good student and has better than a 4.0 GPA with all honors classes -- but she's not top 10. She is in the top 30.

I'm a classroom teacher who teaches exclusively seniors. So I know a good bit about who's applying where and who's getting what scholarships. Our school system is regarded as a very good one.

I think the difference here is that you're talking about top-top students, and I'm talking about the majority of seniors who are going to college -- that includes the ones who are brilliant as well as hardworking AND the strong-average students who make up the majority of the college world.

Well, we are basically saying the same thing then, although, the 370 kids that get nothing--WHY? How much of that is because they don't apply for anything thinking they won't get anything because they are not top 10--point them to my DS and is 2.5 GPA--heck, I don't think he is even top 50% yet he already has $2500 in scholarships.

Why? Because we are not going to have her rely on federal or state aid to pay for college? How about the fact that we expect DD to work for it and pay for her education herself with possible private grants from DP and I as well as other sources. Our intent is to possibly reward $$$ based on grades and performance and other incentives after her first year.

We don't believe in taking out loans of any kind nor do we believe in relying on the government or the state to get us to where we are in life.

You can resent it all you like, but we happen to appreciate that DP and I both paid for our education through hard work and dedication and graduated owing nothing to anyone. It is a far more rotten and horrible thing to have someone graduate college and be enslaved by college loans.

Ok, look, you are clueless about the whole process. Just because you fill out the forms doesn't require you to take the money but by NOT filling out the forms eliminates your daughter from probably 99% of the money that is out there FOR KIDS TO USE TO PAY FOR COLLEGE. You don't have to take a penny of student loans if you don't want to but why pass up the REST OF THE FREE money because you are afraid of a loan? As for grants, YES they all require the FAFSA whether you like to believe them or not. Post ONE grant available that you can get without filling out the financial aid form.

I paid for 100% of my own college at a private school. I didn't get a DIME from my parents. Yes, I took out student loans that ended up totaling $16,000 that were paid off in a couple years and in no way "enslaved" me :rolleyes:. I agree that kids should help pay for their schooling. I DON'T agree that kids should have to pay MORE then they should because their parents narrow minded thinking.

It will be awfully hard turning down that full ride scholarship to a state university if she gets one too--what will you do then?
 
testifyoncruises, for you DD's sake, please educate yourself about the process.

About scholarships, my DD is a good but not spectacular student (she has anxiety issues that depress her test grades) and she has a nice 25% tuition scholarship at a good private school. Granted that's not a full ride, but it is significant.
 

Post ONE grant available that you can get without filling out the financial aid form.
Sorry I am not Google. You can do your own research. I have and know there is absolutely no way we will fill out the FAFSA nor will we encourage anyone to do the same. You are obviously clueless about this and as you have already made it clear, anyone who would consider a community college is beneath you. Not going to waste my time responding to your silly beliefs.
 
Why? Because we are not going to have her rely on federal or state aid to pay for college? How about the fact that we expect DD to work for it and pay for her education herself with possible private grants from DP and I as well as other sources. Our intent is to possibly reward $$$ based on grades and performance and other incentives after her first year.
True story: A dear friend of mine (people thought we were sisters) dated a very nice young man when we were all seniors in high school. He was a good student. He was the only child of a very wealthy family, and his father believed strongly in pulling yourself up by your bootstraps, understanding the value of a dollar, and putting in a good day's work. The family lived in a mansion. The boy was given a new Mustang (Carolina Blue) when he turned 16. The family owned a business of their own.

His father told him that the ONLY acceptable school for him to attend was UNC-Chapel Hill (for those of you not from this area, that is a wonderful school -- many people's dream school -- and an excellent value for the money, but it's certainly not free). The boy was accepted to Chapel Hill (and many very good students aren't), and he badly wanted to attend. I think the father also outlined his course of study and future career, but they were in agreement on that, and it wasn't a source of conflict (I forget exactly what it was -- architecture? engineering? I'm not sure, and it doesn't matter anyway).

The father also laid out his very stringent financial plans: He expected his son to pay for his first year of college himself. Once he saw that the boy had successfully completed a year of school and understood the cost and sacrafice necessary to pay for a year of college education, the father would then gladly pay for the remaining 3 years. Loans were unacceptable. The father wanted to see that he had WORKED for what he got.

The boy tried. He really tried. He worked every minute of his senior year, saved all he could . . . but this was the 1980's, and minimum wage was only $3.35, and carrying a full load of honors courses, he didn't have unlimited time to work. With his family's wealth, he qualified for no financial aid, and his grades weren't really scholarship-good (maybe at a lesser school, but not at Carolina). Around Easter he calculated his savings, the weeks remaining for him to work, what he might be able to earn over the summer . . . and he realized that he wasn't even close to paying for his first year at Carolina. He became depressed, realizing that he couldn't do what his father demanded.

We often double-dated, and I remember him talking about how hard he was trying, how stressful it was to him, how stern his father was on his rules.

We all encouraged him to try the compromise route: He asked his father to let him attend a local university 30 minutes from home (so that he could pay just tuition). He asked his father to allow him to do community college for a couple years, then go to Chapel Hill. He asked his father to pay his living expenses and let him JUST pay the tuition. He asked his father to consider letting him pay the first semester. He asked his father to allow him to get a loan for 50% of the cost. NO, NO, NO, NO, NO. Nothing was acceptable except that the son would attend Chapel Hill on his own dime for one year.

Then one day -- it was the week after prom -- this very nice young man disappeared. His parents and the school called in my friend, demanding to know where her boyfriend was. She didn't know, and she was frantic. He returned home the next day, explaining that with no options left to him, he'd spent the whole day in the Army's Recruitment Center. He'd just passed all his physicals, and he'd just signed his name on the dotted line. Rather than enrolling in college, he'd enlisted in the military.

His father was livid, but there was nothing he could do about it. The boy was 18, and what he had done was legal. His father's refusal to look at the numbers, refusal to realize that what he was demanding was impossible had shoved his son into a difficult position, and he chose to rebel.

He went away to the Army, and I don't know what became of him. He and my friend didn't maintain their relationship long after high school. He really had tremendous potential, so I hope he did well. I doubt he and his father are on good terms these days.

Don't misunderstand me: I'm not saying that a miltary career is a bad choice. My husband is 45 years old and still deeply regrets that a minor disability prevented him from joining the Army. And if I had it to do again, I really think I'd do 4-years in the military before college (for the money) . . . but none of that is the point. The point is that the miltary WAS NOT what this young man wanted. He wanted college, he was well suited to college, and he was very open to a variety of college options. But his father's unwaivering pre-conceived notions of what was acceptable locked him into such a narrow, impossible path that he couldn't manage.
 
We know a family that is banking on their son receiving a full soccer scholarship. He is only 12! They have been preparing this kid for professional soccer since he was 3. The dad has asked me multiple times why my son isn't heavy into sports so he can get a scholarship. I just laugh. With the money they have spent on their son to get private training, travel expenses for the multiple leagues he plays in, trips to England to watch the "best," and the $100 they pay him everytime he scores a goal, they could have paid for an ivy league school in cash by the time the kid is ready for college. I will be very interested in seeing what happens with this child in a few years. I am betting a full ride sports scholarship is not in his future. Time will tell.
I wish him luck, but I suspect that this family could've done better by saving that money towards tuition.
 
Well, we are basically saying the same thing then, although, the 370 kids that get nothing--WHY? How much of that is because they don't apply for anything thinking they won't get anything because they are not top 10--point them to my DS and is 2.5 GPA--heck, I don't think he is even top 50% yet he already has $2500 in scholarships.
No, it's not lack of trying to get them -- it's competition and lack of availability. The strong-average kid doesn't get a scholarship around here.
Ok, look, you are clueless about the whole process . . . You don't have to take a penny of student loans if you don't want to but why pass up the REST OF THE FREE money because you are afraid of a loan?
I'm thinking TestifyOnCruises thinks that the FAFSA is for loans. He/she obviously doens't know what it really is, but fortunately has many years to figure it out.
 
We know a family that is banking on their son receiving a full soccer scholarship. He is only 12! They have been preparing this kid for professional soccer since he was 3. The dad has asked me multiple times why my son isn't heavy into sports so he can get a scholarship. I just laugh. With the money they have spent on their son to get private training, travel expenses for the multiple leagues he plays in, trips to England to watch the "best," and the $100 they pay him everytime he scores a goal, they could have paid for an ivy league school in cash by the time the kid is ready for college. I will be very interested in seeing what happens with this child in a few years. I am betting a full ride sports scholarship is not in his future. Time will tell.

This is SO sad. Ask the dad how many kids have come out of the high school with full ride soccer scholarships and then ask him HOW MUCH he has paid for all the kid soccer stuff. We have some friends that are like this with their DD. They pay $1000/month for her elite soccer program. We just laugh because even a 'full' soccer scholarship isn't going to be much more than that. Some other friends have a DD on a Division 1 soccer scholarship--she gets $5000/year for that-which is about half of her costs so not bad but still a lot less then our other friends are paying for their club soccer :lmao:.

We have a girl on our soccer team that is just amazing. She played for some Olympic selection team last year (future potential Olympians) and she was only a sophomore. It will be interesting to see what she ends up getting for college offers. The best part of all of this is she NEVER played club soccer. Her parents couldn't afford for her to do that so she just played rec league.

DD14 will most likely get some golf scholarship offers. During the summer golf tournaments she plays in (which cost us $20/tournament :lmao:), we have run into a lot of college coaches that know who she is already. They can't officially talk to her yet because she is only a freshman so we don't have any 'offers". We have no expectations that they will be anywhere near full ride, but they will help. We also know that there is a good chance she will get more in academic scholarships from a division III school then golf scholarships from a Division I or II school.

We get a few kids from our high school every year that get scholarship offers-usually about 5-6 kids each season or so. We have the top high school football player in the state (senior class anyway) at our high school and he has gotten scholarship offers for football, basketball and track. He is going to play Division II football and even THAT isn't full ride. He is graduating either 1, 2 or 3 in his class (it is really close so they won't know until final grades come out) so the rest of his schooling he is getting academic scholarships for.

We see more girls then boys get scholarships but that is pretty true everywhere I think. Heck, one of DD's golf team mates last year played on the second team JV squad and got a $4500 golf scholarship to the small college she is attending. The college is a small Bible school and they don't get many girl golfers so it is unusual.
 
OMG I am ready to throw up! We filed FASFA and of course hard working people get nothing but screwed in this country.

We were told we should be able to pay $57,000 per year- ah what? Where is that coming from will someone tell me?

With the schools she is interested in for 4 years the totals look like somewhere around $150,000 not including interest.

How do people do this and what type of loans do they take out? We have no retirement fund and would like to be able to eat when we retire never mind anything else we may need.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Linda

LOL, I feel your pain Linda. Supposedly we are supposed to be able to kick in about 28K toward #1 sons tuition.
My son is in his first year and he recieved about 10k in various scholarships but they were only for 1 year so we're starting the scholarship cycle over again. :sad2: My 2nd son is still in h.s. so he'll be joining him in 2 years. we did sock away about 20k toward their tuition but nowadays thats a drop in the bucket.
We also have about 100K in equity in our house.

I didn't want my son to work his first year. He has learning disabilities and it's hard enough for him to do well without the added pressure of a job. Next year, if he can handle his course load and a job that may be ok, but I've seen some of the h.s. students grades I volunteer with take a nose dive the nanosecond the start working. They start out with short hours then before christmas roles around they are working 30 hours a week.

Right now we've gotten through his first year without loans but I'm on a first name basis with ramen noodles and tuna.
 
Sorry I am not Google. You can do your own research. I have and know there is absolutely no way we will fill out the FAFSA nor will we encourage anyone to do the same. You are obviously clueless about this and as you have already made it clear, anyone who would consider a community college is beneath you. Not going to waste my time responding to your silly beliefs.


Well, ToC, no can say you are inconsistent! :stir:
 
This is SO sad. Ask the dad how many kids have come out of the high school with full ride soccer scholarships and then ask him HOW MUCH he has paid for all the kid soccer stuff.
I know a student (2-3 years ago? I remember my past students clearly, but specific times elude me) who got a tuition-only scholarship for soccer -- it was to an excellent school, and I'd have been very pleased if he were my child! I know a number of truly spectacular soccer players who got nothing at all.

There's more money out there for football and basketball -- not that that's helpful at all; your kid is good at what he's good at!
We see more girls then boys get scholarships but that is pretty true everywhere I think.
Hmmm . . . I'd guess that there's less competition among the girl athletes. They're fewer in number.
 
We are going to be trying the athletic scholarship route for younger DD, but only because she is crazy about her sport and is rather good as a girl in a predominantly male sport.
 
My son is in his first year and he recieved about 10k in various scholarships but they were only for 1 year so we're starting the scholarship cycle over again. :sad2:
That's something to be careful of: An expensive school that offers a great scholarship for the first year . . . and then it disappears. It's not dishonest because they never promised it past the first year, but it does put you in a difficult position: Do you go with the expensive school, hoping that the scholarship'll come through year after year . . . or do you go with the less expensive school from the start?
We also have about 100K in equity in our house.
I wouldn't touch equity in the house. Never. That's putting your retirement at risk. If it came to that, I'd have him consider a less expensive school.
I've seen some of the h.s. students grades I volunteer with take a nose dive the nanosecond the start working. They start out with short hours then before christmas roles around they are working 30 hours a week.
Yep, too many of my students put working first and school second (but these typically aren't the ones who are headed for college). You can see it on their transcripts: Freshman and sophomore year they are active in band and Spanish club, and they make As and Bs with a couple Cs . . . then Junior year (when they turn 16 and get a job because they HAVE TO have a car), they drop from honors level to general, quit band, and start making all Bs and Cs with a smattering of Ds. That's just not acceptable in my family.
 
We are going to be trying the athletic scholarship route for younger DD, but only because she is crazy about her sport and is rather good as a girl in a predominantly male sport.
TRY. Absolutley try. But also save in case it doesn't work out. If she does get the scholarshp, you now have more savings for yourself, and that's not a bad thing.
 
Wow. You're really limiting your child's options.

:thumbsup2 and isn't the entire point of college to open up opportunities for kids.
My family owned the own business for almost 30 of my 50 years (a restaurant) I know for a fact my uncle was extremely happy to have his degree in accounting and my mother was an attorney. That definitely came in handy when filling out those pesky reporting forms state and federal officals seem to want filled in. ;)
Older brother is a experience qualified electrician, I'm sure the people who hire him to wire their house are happy he went to school and got his degree and certification.

to each his own.
 
I know a student (2-3 years ago? I remember my past students clearly, but specific times elude me) who got a tuition-only scholarship for soccer -- it was to an excellent school, and I'd have been very pleased if he were my child! I know a number of truly spectacular soccer players who got nothing at all.

There's more money out there for football and basketball -- not that that's helpful at all; your kid is good at what he's good at! Hmmm . . . I'd guess that there's less competition among the girl athletes. They're fewer in number.

Yes, there is less competition for girls athletics and with Title IX colleges have to be equitable with their scholarships. You see it more in the 'minor' sports, swimming, soccer, golf, softball then you do in the big ones like basketball and volleyball.

Next time you see that soccer player's parents, ask them how much they spent so he could get that scholarship (that is the part parents don't get). There is a girl on the golf circuit that DD ends up playing with quite a bit. Her parents will talk to us about how much they spend on her swing coach, her putting coach, etc. We just laugh because in her one year of playing high school golf they have already spent more then they will EVER get for a scholarship-that and we don't have a swing coach or putting coach for DD and she kicks her butt. We had 2 girls from our athletic conference go to a Division I college. They were heavily recruited from places all over the country-they both finished top 5 in our state last year. They got tuition only scholarships, which is GREAT, but that is about the best you can expect in girls golf. This other, younger girl, probably won't get anything because she is such a snot (and that gets around to the colleges).
 
TRY. Absolutley try. But also save in case it doesn't work out. If she does get the scholarshp, you now have more savings for yourself, and that's not a bad thing.

I am not holding my breath for athletic scholarships. :lmao:
 
We are going to be trying the athletic scholarship route for younger DD, but only because she is crazy about her sport and is rather good as a girl in a predominantly male sport.

What sport does she play?

TRY. Absolutley try. But also save in case it doesn't work out. If she does get the scholarshp, you now have more savings for yourself, and that's not a bad thing.

Exactly--just don't go crazy with all the elite camps/clubs/travel or you end up spending more then you get in scholarships.
 






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