Has Disney Dining Suffered?

Has Disney's Dining Fallen in terms of quality, quantity, service, and choices?

  • No...Don't notice a thing different since the dining plans

  • Yes...and it doesn't bother me....after all this is a theme park area

  • Yes....and it doesn't bother me....I like saving money with the dining plans

  • Yes.....and it bothers me.....but I want the dining plans to stay with maybe some modifications

  • Yes....it bothers me and get rid of those dining plans


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exactly how I feel, on past visits I didnt go in expecting the food on the Disney property to be very good, so I was not disappointed with what I got.

This time for the week we are staying at a Disney hotel we are only eating 2 meals on Disney property(our one day at the park we are doing Cinderellas table for lunch(leaving the park for dinner, and the night after we arrive we are going to Sanaa). the rest of the week we are going to do lunch and dinner off the Disney property.

Good food & drink is an important part of a vacation to us.
Your post caught my attention - as my family did most signature dining on our 1st and 2nd trips. This time we are going with a large group (14) and will be off site (YIKES) Where would you suggest going off property?
 
We visited in March. Of the meals we had for a weeks worth of days, I have to say that we were very disappointed in only two. One was a table service and one was a counter service. Having the appetizer would have been nice, but in all honesty we had plenty of food without it. We were heavy into touring and didn't want to be stuffed afterwards. After experiencing the DDP for the first time, I will always opt for that option if possible. Even having to make ADRs, it just made everything so much more enjoyable!
 
We have always preferred the TS restaurants, and spend the bulk of our time at the signature dining options. We don't mind paying a little more for higher quality more original food, either at WDW or in our everyday lives.

Yes, I've noticed a decline in the quality, even at the signatures. And at least V & A, thank goodness, is as good as ever. We're headed back to Bistro next week to see if it's being off the dining plan has enabled them to keep its quality up.

Personally, I'd rather see fewer restaurants on the dining plan, so that they could maintain quality at _at least_ the nicer places.

But we'd rather see higher quality everywhere, and would pay slightly higher prices to get it.
 
I'm at about 20+ trips since '99. Has food quality changed? It sure has. We used to love eating out at WDW..the food was usually good. Even the burgers were okay. Not so much nowadays. I can't order the burgers anymore..they taste awful!! The chicken strips, while probably really bad for you, were wonderful. But, Disney has done away with those. So many changes, and not for the good. I truly think that about a year after the DDP came along, Disney started dumbing down the menus. When dd and I were in WDW last month, we had some pretty horrific meals. I had eaten at Mama Melrose's last Dec and really enjoyed it. So, dd and I went. It was awful. The service was abysmal, the food was barely edible. Crystal Palace?? That one is, or was, a must-do on every single trip. After dinner and breakfast there last month, no more. My roast beef was so fatty that I could get two bites out of each piece that was carved. The salad offerings seemed to all be marinated or such. The desserts were the same old, same old. Service was barely okay. Breakfast was 'okay' but not great. And the service was borderline bad. It took forever for our plates to get taken away..they actually sat there while dd and I ate from refilled plates. No more Crystal Palace for us.
We are returning in Aug...this time there will be a lot more meals eaten in our villa..thank heaven I booked a one bedroom with full kitchen!!! Almost every lunch will be in our villa, with most breakfasts there as well. We have chosen to just not eat 'out' nearly as often. Way too expensive with not so great quality.

I've probably been the most vocal "complainer" on these topic for the last year. So I apologize.

For me it's probably a number of issues. First I am a life long disney vacationer so I readily admit it's hard not to compare to previous years.

I believe that Disney is cutting corners to keep stockholders happy. As a stockholder I would much rather give back a little of my profits to keep that "disney high standard"

IMO, the food isn't terrible its just so-so. Prices have gone up but quality has gone down. Food is unimaginative. Please, Do we have to have mahi mahi as the seafood choice on every menu? Italian restuarants are "Olive Garden" quality at best. I've had pasta at Mama melrose that could have been confused as paste.
Signature dishes have been removed in the name of cost cutting and Buffets have a rushed "cafeteria" feel now.


Disney has taken individuality from every thing. Any one remember when you could go into gift shops and see different merchandise. Now in every gift shop it's the same stuff, POTC, Hannah Montanna and nightmare before Christmas. Maybe a Mickey or goofy thrown in.
Please tell me why are you selling Nightmare before christmas stuff in the Indiana Jones gift shop?

Food is the same way
We went to Sci fi diner and the best part of the meal was the milkshake. How sad is that.
I have no real issue with the dining plan, I don't use it but I'm glad people can save a bit of money with it.

This August, we decided to rent a car. Out of 10 days, I've only made adr's for 3 nights. I don't mind paying high prices, I pretty much expect that on vacation. I do mind lukewarm, hint of taste food for a high price.

I have to say I agree with both these opinions. I'm fed up with the overpriced restaurants offering mediocre food and mediocre service. This summer, we are doing CS, off site restaurants, and spending about 4 days at Universal. I'm done with Disney TS restaurants.
 

Your post caught my attention - as my family did most signature dining on our 1st and 2nd trips. This time we are going with a large group (14) and will be off site (YIKES) Where would you suggest going off property?

There are so many - it's a matter of where you'e staying and what sort of thing you like. We usually hit: Celebration Town Tavern, House of Blues, Kobe, and Pat O'Briens. All have online menus. Kim Wu serves good Chinese. We've also visited chains like Carabas and we liked all the local Thai restaurants. Some are more expensive than others but the menus offer something for everyone in our family and the quality is high.
 
Good question but, for me, tough choices ... my write in option would be, "No, it doesn't 'bother' me, but I would still like to see some changes."

I do think the portions have shrunk. In the last 30+ years, though, I haven't seen a decline in service, and the quality of what is available still seems fine.

Sooooo ... I'm not bothered, but I did like the previous DDP (with apps, entrees, dessert, tax, and gratutity) much more than its current incarnation. As with all things Disney, I'm sure it'll change again soon enough. They'll tinker with it to protect that bottom line, which is fine, because I think capitalism ROCKS.

If I'm ever dissatisfied, I'll vote with my feet.

Restaurants have been told to reduce portion size because of the "obesity" epidemic

http://www.acsh.org/healthissues/newsID.1351/healthissue_detail.asp
 
Your post caught my attention - as my family did most signature dining on our 1st and 2nd trips. This time we are going with a large group (14) and will be off site (YIKES) Where would you suggest going off property?

If you are staying near disney, the Gaylord Palms hotel has a restuarant called Villa de Flora. They make excellent Breadkfast. Omlets made to order, waffles & french toast that is made to order (fluffy and hot) along with seafood selections. They are also experience in handling large parties. They also have an excellent grab and go that beats any thing in any disney property. I think it's called sola. Gaylord Palms is a hot 7 minutes from the world.

http://www.gaylordhotels.com/gaylor...ing-activities/assets/PA_VillaDeFloraMenu.pdf
 
Your post caught my attention - as my family did most signature dining on our 1st and 2nd trips. This time we are going with a large group (14) and will be off site (YIKES) Where would you suggest going off property?


yikes, good question, especially since a persons individual tastes can vary. I have pretty much planned out my meals with a few spots left open. Here is what we have plannned a month out, we arrive Saturday after a long drive.

Saturday dinner: Boston Lobster Feast, a seafood buffet with ayce lobster, crab, etc. Not fine dining, but after a long drive I just want some seafood, and a few drinks before going back to the hotel for a swim, and an early night

Sunday lunch: TBD, we are going to relax by the pool most of the day
Sunday dinner: Sanaa, as I mentioned the one of the two Disney restaurants we are going to go to. Mostly for the views, and the menu looks ok.

Monday Lunch: CInderellas Castle, my daughter loves princesses, so this expensive lunch option was booked months ago
Monday dinner: High Tide Harrys

Tuesday lunch: TBD - relaxing at the pool all day
Tuesday Dinner: a crawfish boil @ The Celt

Wednesday lunch: Dixie Crossing- Titusville
Wednesday dinner: Lobster Shanty, or Bernards in Cocoa Beach

Thursday lunch: TBD - relaxing at the pool all day
Thursday dinner: The Black Hammock - Oviedo - a fish camp restaurant(catfish, gator, etc)

Friday lunch TBD - relaxing at the pool all day
Friday dinner - The Catfish Place - Apopka

Saturday lunch - TBD before we start heading home to Chicago, we may just stop in Gainesville.

SInce we are coming down to Florida, our choices are seafood based, we hope to eat alot of grouper, catfish, alligator, shrimp, etc. THe TBD lunches will depend on how motivated we are to get out of the sun at the pool.
 
I find this very interesting. We are going in July...at that point I'll have a comparison even from last year to this year. Sometimes I get caught up in the "cookie cutter" vacation....and what I mean by this is .. stay on site...don't rent a car...use Disney transportation....eat only in their restaurants....in some ways I feel almost robotic. Don't get me wrong...I really like vacationing here. It has everything my entire family likes...but I think I'm wanting to break out of the box. Maybe next triip...as I have everything booked already...including dining.
 
So, is the answer to this conundrum just to stop patronizing Disney (or, at least, Disney restaurants?) Because it seems to me that as long as folks keep buying product, be it food, park admissions, or resort rooms, then what incentive would Disney have to change anything? Because I recongize that DISboards folks are just one microscopic segment of the Disney-going population, and probably not a representative segment at that. Maybe the majority of people visiting WDW are perfectly content.

Just askin'.
 
So, is the answer to this conundrum just to stop patronizing Disney (or, at least, Disney restaurants?) Because it seems to me that as long as folks keep buying product, be it food, park admissions, or resort rooms, then what incentive would Disney have to change anything? Because I recongize that DISboards folks are just one microscopic segment of the Disney-going population, and probably not a representative segment at that. Maybe the majority of people visiting WDW are perfectly content.

Just askin'.
Most guest do not plan. Disney developed a reputation for their amusement park table service restaurants. This dining niche was then spun off into a marketing tool to persuade people to see a Disney Vacation as affordable and all inclusive. Reputations remained for many even in the absence of what created the reputation. The latest DDP provide guest who never dined at Disney TS restaurants a new experience with a pitch of saving up to 30-40% (often too much food and unused tickets) or dine "free" (pay rack rate on resort room). Not dining at these restaurants can have an impact, but only if the numbers are high enough and I see this hard to change based upon most do not plan, many with the DDP are new diners, etc...
 
There has been a decline but it is not entirely because of the dining plans. The Walt Disney Corporation as a whole is streamlining and homogenizing its food service. Same thing is happening at Disneyland and they don't have a comparable dining plan.

Some people I know (me included) are spending a lot of time (and cash) at Bluezoo now where in the past we'd be spending most of that in Disney restaurants.
 
So, is the answer to this conundrum just to stop patronizing Disney (or, at least, Disney restaurants?) Because it seems to me that as long as folks keep buying product, be it food, park admissions, or resort rooms, then what incentive would Disney have to change anything? Because I recongize that DISboards folks are just one microscopic segment of the Disney-going population, and probably not a representative segment at that. Maybe the majority of people visiting WDW are perfectly content.

Just askin'.


I'm probably guilty of not helper either, Dreamfinder

Unfortunately unless the meal was truly awful, generally I don't complain. And that's my dilemma. I haven't had a really bad meal, I just haven't had a meal that was really great and I use to have those. I remember leaving spoodles and saying "Man, that was great". Now when we ask each other how our food is, we give answers like. it's ok, or it's bland, etc, etc.

Also I find even here on the dis, we tend to give excuses (why :confused3)
We say stuff like "the economy is bad" or "it's better than other theme park food". which for me doesn't cut it. Saying the food is better than six flags is not a glowing reconmendation in my eyes. If you charge me $40 bucks for a steak, I donot want some thing tough as shoe leather. sorry.

I think Disney will eventually have to change. Did you see it's 2nd quarter profits. Spending in the parks is down 15-20%. Sure they have been able to get us there with the free promos but when people come, they are not spending money. I think that has a lot to do with quality.
 
I'm probably guilty of not helper either, Dreamfinder

Unfortunately unless the meal was truly awful, generally I don't complain. And that's my dilemma. I haven't had a really bad meal, I just haven't had a meal that was really great and I use to have those. I remember leaving spoodles and saying "Man, that was great". Now when we ask each other how our food is, we give answers like. it's ok, or it's bland, etc, etc.

Also I find even here on the dis, we tend to give excuses (why :confused3)
We say stuff like "the economy is bad" or "it's better than other theme park food". which for me doesn't cut it. Saying the food is better than six flags is not a glowing reconmendation in my eyes. If you charge me $40 bucks for a steak, I donot want some thing tough as shoe leather. sorry.

I think Disney will eventually have to change. Did you see it's 2nd quarter profits. Spending in the parks is down 15-20%. Sure they have been able to get us there with the free promos but when people come, they are not spending money. I think that has a lot to do with quality.

Eliza, you're probably on to something here.

We've been to WDW so many times, and so frequently, that I forget what it's like to be a newbie. It seems like every trip, however, we take a guest or guests with us who either have never been to Disney or haven't been in years. They are routinely blown away by EVERYTHING - the DVC resort, the attractions and, yes, the food.

But if it were just my family going, I think we'd eat in the villa more (I love to cook and am pretty good at it, IMHO), and make our dining out experiences more of an event. When we lived in the area and were going weekly, we'd routinely bring sandwiches in the park and just buy drinks. I think there is a LOT of that going on now.

One thing the DDP has done, for better or worse, is that it has skewed the real value of things. When everything is pre-paid, and a discount is involved, then it's easy for a neophyte to forget that a $30 entree is, well, thirty dollars. If we/they were counting out their meal cost in $1 bills, then it might dawn on folks - dude, this is expensive for what I'm getting, by most guest's standards.

We're using the DDP next week and I'm going to try to be objective about the whole experience. But my objectivity is someone else's subjectivity, you know? Walt Disney World isn't exactly a bastion of haute cusine, but I continue to feel that the best of WDW meals are just fine. I've had a handful of less than stellar experiences, but never anything awful. We did go to Big River Grill once, and it was pretty nasty (as in dirty), and I have unfond memories of the ABC Commissary on my last visit, and slipshod service at the old Concourse Steak House and Pepper Market, but otherwise, we've had great experiences. After hundreds of Disney meals, I think our hit-to-miss ratio is pretty amazing. My opinions reflect that.

I just try to remind myself, on any given Disney day, that I am surrounded by hundreds of people who have saved and sacrificed for years to make this once-in-a-lifetime trip. They are having the time of their lives, and even if I'm dissatisfied with a meal, a long wait in line, or whatever, I can still celebrate along with THEM, they who are blessed even to be there and experience what I take for granted. This discussion we're having would be, to them, so trivial as to be laughable.

But it's important to us; hence, the DISboards. :thumbsup2
 
The DDP works for some, but not for my family. I love Disney and almost all that is Disney, but as far as dining, they are regressing instead of improving. For fine dining we go off-site, Orlando has many good restaurants that charge a price with direct relation to quality. We still have few Disney Restaurant favorites and a few counter favorites but the list gets slimmer and slimmer.

Perhaps with new restaurants like Kat Cora's La Kuzzina ? things will improve, one can hope!
 
To answer the question,no,not overall.I have noticed no difference at all in any TS's the last few years except for the crystal palace.I am mostly speaking about hotel and epcot showcase restaurants.The counters have been hit or miss for us.
I think the main problem is the price of food which has skyrocketed the last couple years.When that happens,restaurants have a choice to make.Keep the quality and raise prices or drop the quality a bit and try and keep prices around the same or with little increase.Either way people will say there raising prices again or the food is worse.I do it just like everyone else.It's our nature to wish low prices and highest quality.I think disney has done a good job in this area.The DDP is great in saving money even though alot of people hate it.Saved us 425 bucks for 2 people over a 10 night stay last Dec.This year with a 14 nighter it will save even more.
If my wife and I go to McDonalds where we live and order 2 chicken grilled salads and 2 drinks it's costing us 15 to 16 bucks.If we are at say,pizza fari our lunch will be 26 bucks.Now people might say that's 10bucks more.I say for that 10 bucks I'm getting 2 pizza's that are good quality,2 desserts and 2 drinks with a view of animals and foliage and nice workers and so much more.
Sorry for the rant there but the quality and/or pricing is affecting your local restaurant where you live as well as Disney.I do think they are,for the most part doing a good job.
 
Unfortunately, many people on the DDP, whether they pay for it directly or paying a higher rate for their room and getting "free" dining, look to the highest price items on the menu. This is based either on the attitude of "I paid for it and can get whatever I want" or "as long as it's free, let's get the best items".
ITA with this. And I can't place any blame on the folks using DDP - I just priced out the DDP vs. TIW discount on a future trip and quickly found myself considering menu items in the DDP columns that I wouldn't normally order; it was so much a better deal to do so, though.


And then there's this:
If they ever do away with the Basic DDP within about six months you will find a lot more high end selections at all the restaurants.

And this:
First I am a life long disney vacationer so I readily admit it's hard not to compare to previous years.

Yep. Over the past 30ish years, I watched WDW food go from cruel and unusual, (but faster than going offsite), to expansive, interesting and beautifully prepared/presented, to something a lot closer to cruel and unusual again. I've found places to eat that aren't awful, but WDW is no longer a dining destination for special meals as it once was.

And I wonder how much that hurts them, if at all? Lots of us locals used to claim reservations for CA Grill, Flying Fish, Bistro, Artist Point and the like for holiday meals. Few people I know do anymore because the food and experience just isn't worth the effort of getting there these days. :sad2:
 
There are so many - it's a matter of where you'e staying and what sort of thing you like. We usually hit: Celebration Town Tavern, House of Blues, Kobe, and Pat O'Briens. All have online menus. Kim Wu serves good Chinese. We've also visited chains like Carabas and we liked all the local Thai restaurants. Some are more expensive than others but the menus offer something for everyone in our family and the quality is high.

Great list of options - Thank you

If you are staying near disney, the Gaylord Palms hotel has a restuarant called Villa de Flora. They make excellent Breadkfast. Omlets made to order, waffles & french toast that is made to order (fluffy and hot) along with seafood selections. They are also experience in handling large parties. They also have an excellent grab and go that beats any thing in any disney property. I think it's called sola. Gaylord Palms is a hot 7 minutes from the world.

http://www.gaylordhotels.com/gaylor...ing-activities/assets/PA_VillaDeFloraMenu.pdf

Ohh this might be enough persuasion to not eat in the condos one morning for breaksfast. Thank you

yikes, good question, especially since a persons individual tastes can vary. I have pretty much planned out my meals with a few spots left open. Here is what we have plannned a month out, we arrive Saturday after a long drive.

Saturday dinner: Boston Lobster Feast, a seafood buffet with ayce lobster, crab, etc. Not fine dining, but after a long drive I just want some seafood, and a few drinks before going back to the hotel for a swim, and an early night

Sunday lunch: TBD, we are going to relax by the pool most of the day
Sunday dinner: Sanaa, as I mentioned the one of the two Disney restaurants we are going to go to. Mostly for the views, and the menu looks ok.

Monday Lunch: CInderellas Castle, my daughter loves princesses, so this expensive lunch option was booked months ago
Monday dinner: High Tide Harrys

Tuesday lunch: TBD - relaxing at the pool all day
Tuesday Dinner: a crawfish boil @ The Celt

Wednesday lunch: Dixie Crossing- Titusville
Wednesday dinner: Lobster Shanty, or Bernards in Cocoa Beach

Thursday lunch: TBD - relaxing at the pool all day
Thursday dinner: The Black Hammock - Oviedo - a fish camp restaurant(catfish, gator, etc)

Friday lunch TBD - relaxing at the pool all day
Friday dinner - The Catfish Place - Apopka

Saturday lunch - TBD before we start heading home to Chicago, we may just stop in Gainesville.

SInce we are coming down to Florida, our choices are seafood based, we hope to eat alot of grouper, catfish, alligator, shrimp, etc. THe TBD lunches will depend on how motivated we are to get out of the sun at the pool.

I am probably the ONLY non-seafood/sushi lover and prefer me a good steak BUT I am keeping this list for everyone else in my party.


I currently have TS's for all nights except one on property but I am seriously 2nd guessing them (except for V&A's).
 
Well I live in NY (15 miles north of the city....Westchester county) and you are RIGHT...we don't eat out every night! Funny thing...we were in the Danbury, CT mall on Mother's Day doing some shopping :woohoo: and we had a quick bite to eat in the Foodcourt. Four of us....DS had some type of Panda Express meal....DD had Nathans...chicken fingers and fries...and a drink....DH had two hotdogs at Nathans and fries and a drink and I had subway with a drink....Guess how much I spent?...and make sure you don't even consider anything under $50. It was 51.22.

Typical and used to it, so Disney prices don't "raise eyebrows" for us.
And yeah, we eat out and take in rather often, though not of late...
But the choices @ Disney have gone down, mostly same food everywhere you go and thats a shame......PLUS this 90 day adr thing has also had an impact on planning..so...likely our last trip for a while...back to cruising.........
 
I'd like to see the DDP stay - we don't use it, but if I can get the quality I used to get, they can keep it.

What I'd like to see to address the quality - a DDP menu. Cash guests get one menu. DDPers get a second, limited menu with DDP items on it. DDPers can upcharge to the cash menu.
 


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