Harry Potter Complete Book Spoiler Thread

[stinkerbelle]

Annette, I think you are right. Remember, Hagrid said Quirrel was fine until he took a year off? I think JKR made a bit of a goof as she has in other stories. But overall, the consistency is pretty good.

Just for one moment - could you imagine the story board for these books?

how everthing connects...how time works...omg...it's still genius.

I'm not quite sure if I read that the DADA (I don't like her use of that accronym personally) was cursed "each year"...meaning each prof would only last 1 year. I think the job ITSELF was cursed...and just recently, no one lasted more then a year.

hmmm...who's gonna teach potions/DADA next year?

 

[phillybeth]

Got my copy of SS in front of me. It's never mentioned directly that Quirrell taught at Hogwarts prior to Harry's year (pp 70-71 in the American paperback). It does say he is a young man, so it's possible that Harry's first year would have been his first year teaching.

 

[CraftyMouse]

Any guesses on the locations of the remaining Horcruxes? I think there is definitely one at Tom Riddle's orphanage, and one at Godric's Hollow. Nagini is usually with Voldemort, I would expect him to keep a Horcrux near at all times to 'escape' into if his mortal body is destroyed.

Does anyone else think that Harry could be the Horcrux that relates to Gryffindor? Horcruxes can be a living being. There is the locket from Slytherin and the cup from Hufflepuff. Dumbledore mentioned the Gryffindor sword and said that it couldn't be tampered with. Harry's family home was in Godric's Hollow. Perhaps his family was related to Godric Gryffindor? Harry can speak Parseltongue and the Sorting Hat thought about putting him in Slytherin. Dumbledore mentioned to Harry that these things are true because Voldemort transferred a bit of himself to Harry on the night Harry was attacked as a baby. Perhaps that bit of himself is part of his soul and in killing Lily and James Voldemort made Harry a horcrux.

Of course if this is true then it would go along with those who say that both Harry and Voldemort will die at the end of the series.

 

[Annette_VA]

Got my copy of SS in front of me. It's never mentioned directly that Quirrell taught at Hogwarts prior to Harry's year (pp 70-71 in the American paperback). It does say he is a young man, so it's possible that Harry's first year would have been his first year teaching.

Thanks for checking on that! I haven't had a chance to yet. I'm going to re-read the series after I get out of shock.

The main reason I thought Quirrel had been there for years was Percy saying Snape's been after Quirrel's job for years when Harry asks him who Snape is in the Sorcerer's Stone movie (I had that on the TV while reading). Of course, there are many liberties taken in the movies... And, I guess he could've just meant Quirrel's job as in the DADA teacher position, not that it's been Quirrels' for years.

 

[Annette_VA]

Just for one moment - could you imagine the story board for these books?

how everthing connects...how time works...omg...it's still genius.

...

It is quite remarkable! I can't imagine how hard it is for her to keep it all straight!

 

[wasabi girl]

Does anyone else think that Harry could be the Horcrux that relates to Gryffindor? Horcruxes can be a living being. There is the locket from Slytherin and the cup from Hufflepuff. Dumbledore mentioned the Gryffindor sword and said that it couldn't be tampered with. Harry's family home was in Godric's Hollow. Perhaps his family was related to Godric Gryffindor? Harry can speak Parseltongue and the Sorting Hat thought about putting him in Slytherin. Dumbledore mentioned to Harry that these things are true because Voldemort transferred a bit of himself to Harry on the night Harry was attacked as a baby. Perhaps that bit of himself is part of his soul and in killing Lily and James Voldemort made Harry a horcrux.

Of course if this is true then it would go along with those who say that both Harry and Voldemort will die at the end of the series.

That is exactly what I thought! It seems to go along with Harry's abilities and the fact that DD emphasized to Harry that "what the prophecy says is only significant because Lord Voldemort made it so....Voldemort singled you out as the person who would be most dangerous to him---and in doing so he made you the person who would be most dangerous to him."

I guessed that Snape would be the HBP...what about Snapes Unbreakable Vow to Narcissa? Maybe he had to avada kedravra DD...I'm probably going to be re reading everything looking for RAB!
It is going to be a long couple of years to find out what happens next

 

[phillybeth]

I don't think there was time when the curse to kill Harry backfired for Voldemort to make Harry a Horcrux. His soul had to be divided already before that point for him NOT to be killed by the rebounding curse.

 

[MickeyMonstersMom]

I agree with the poster above who said that Dumbledore's death did not sit right. It lacks depth, IYKWIM. On another messageboard out there, someone has made a very convincing case for the idea that Dumbledore and Snape both knew of Draco's mission and had arranged for Snape to kill Dumbledore if necessary to save Draco's life and soul - Voldemort would have killed Draco outright had he failed to kill Dumbledore, and Draco would have crossed the line in killing another human being. Even Snape's snarl on the tower can in this case be interpreted as frustration that this had to play out this way, and Dumbledore's pleading was to remind Snape that this was the only way. After all, Snape did not try to kill or take Harry with them afterward, as well.

I could live with this - and it would make for some very interesting resolution in HP7.

 

[phillybeth]

I agree that DD sacrificed himself to save Draco. I think Draco will also play an important role in book 7.

 

[mrsv98]

In SS, Percy does talk about Snape wanting Querril's job...

"Oh, you know Quirrell already, do you? No wonder he is looking so nervous, thats Professor Snape. He teaches potions, but he doesn't want to - everyone knows he's after Quirrell's ob. Knows an awful lot about the Dark Arts, Snape"

So it is a bit ambigous, but it does seem Quirrell has been in the job for a while. It is a minor point tho, afterall, he does end up with Voldy in the back of his head, and if that isn't cursed, I don't know what is!

I do love to go back and see how JKR plants seeds that come back later. I was looking for the above section when I saw that the sorting hat had put, "Zabini, Blaise" in Slytherin and then he turns up again in HBP. I love that kind of thing.

As to the story boards and all the characters, I remember hearing that Jim Dale who reads the American version on cd said he had something like 154 characters to read. Can you imagine keeping all that straight? I hope JKR is working on 7 now so we don't have to wait forever to have this wrapped up. After all, she says she wrote the last chapter years ago, now she just has to fill in!

 

[Lessa of Pern]

I t occurred to me that Snape might have made two unbreakable vows -- that he vowed to help Dumbledore defeat voldemort. that he didn't harm harry is very telling. I'm trying to imagine Draco isn some sort of wizard-word witness protection program -- that did seem to be what Dumbledore was talking about.

 

[smilingmouse]

Was anyone else surprised the Vernon and family weren't featured much in book 6? I thought we'd learn more about Petunia's wizzarding knowledge...

 

[Laura]

I was totally surprised who the half-blood prince was. Especially after Harry checked the age of the textbook and saw that it was fifty years old, before his father was at Hogwarts--I guess Snape got a used textbook.

I wasn't surprised that Dumbledore died, especially after reading the chapter titles, the phoenix's lament and the white tomb. I just thought that was coming in the next book. And his death seemed totally senseless to me. Freezing Harry so he wouldn't have help? He knew of the murder plot the whole time? Trusting Snape? The fake Horcrux? It seems all too much for the greatest wizard in world to be screwing up. But he isn't totally gone; the portrait in the headmaster's office will be able to talk, right?

I also wasn't surprised as to the budding romances with Harry/Ginny and Hermione/Ron. Saw those coming a mile away. My DH will be happy; he's really been rooting for Ginny. He hated Cho!

 

[Disney_1derland]

Somehow I only just saw this post and wanted to comment on some of what you said and also say Welcome Kelley My answers are within....

Hi - I'm Kim's daughter, Kelley, and I'm in a word... desperate to discuss the contents of this book (because I'm a hopeless nerd.) I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who cried.

I did cry, not because I was truly surprised but because there seems to be such finality in book 6.

So Snape - is he really a bad guy? or is he part of the plan? How could Dumbledore know about Draco's mission and not know about the "Unbreakable Vow?"

I could really go either way with this. On one hand JKR has already said he would redeem himself. But, how impossible is that going to be now that he has killed dumbledore? Here is what I think......

Snape did not truly know the nature of Draco's mission. He was bluffing. By making the Unbreakable Vow magically he could only be held to what he knew at the time of making the vow which was nothing. Therefore, as the plot unfolded he could appear to go along with it without really having to. This could be why dumbledore's death was so unusual and perhaps in some way faked. I think that perhaps if it was faked that dumbledore will go into hiding so that Harry will carry forth on his own, which must happen anyways.


Also, slightly disappointed though I was at the fact Ron and Hermione didn't finally have their epiphany and realize they are in love... I an avid H/G shipper was very happy to see Harry realize his feelings for Ginny. No more of that dern Cho Chang...

Totally agree here. The Ron/Hermione thing is a bit frustrating but it is coming and I think will come into play at a point where Ron becomes the Hero and has to save Hermione. This is only my romantic brain at work here and because Ron deserves that boost to himself.

Is Harry going to find more about his Parents? While it's does not appear relevant to the battle with Voldemort anymore, won't he still want to know? I was a little disappointed at the lack of background about his parents in HBP. Also, Harry has never been to Godric's Hollow before, so I'm thinking he might find a lot of answers...

Though when they do go to Godric's Hollow - will it really only be Hermione and Ron with him? Because last time Ginny, Neville and Luna insisted on going.

This one, I'm stumped, there is still much to be gained with knowledge of his parents and I think more will be revealed. I do not think that anyone but Hermione and Ron will go because that is how it started, just the three of them. I think if we do see more involvement particularly from Neville it may be leading us places I don't really think this is going, but hey, I'm always up for surpises!

Also the Horcruxes, the cup, the necklace, the book (destroyed), the ring(destroyed), the snake, whatever the ravenclaw heirloom is, and then the mystery Horcrux...


I kind of see this book as the last in the original series. What with the end of Hogwarts as it's always been and Harry Ron and Hermione not returning. I think I might see the potential for a book dedicated to finding each of the Horcruxes. I know she vowed only to do 7 books, but we can always hope, right?

yeah lots and lots of stuff to think about.

 

[va32h]

Harry cannot be a Hrocrux - why would Voldemort keep trying to kill Harry if part of his soul was in there? Not to mention that anyone else could have kill Harry in the last 16 years.

No, the Horcruxes are well hidden and protected by many dark enchantments - which is not something you can say about Harry.

 

[Disney_1derland]

Harry cannot be a Hrocrux - why would Voldemort keep trying to kill Harry if part of his soul was in there? Not to mention that anyone else could have kill Harry in the last 16 years.

No, the Horcruxes are well hidden and protected by many dark enchantments - which is not something you can say about Harry.

okay, you made me have a thought that has me laughing....

You're right it can't be harry, but it could be Neville, he's protected by something dark.....his grandmother

 

[monarchsfan16]

I was disappointed with this one. I agree with the fact that there was so much finality. And WHY did JKR make Dumbledore look so stupid? He's supposed to be the greatest wizard in the world...so why does he look like a moron.
As for the slut thing, I guess I've never really thought of these as childrens books. They actually made the "suggested reading list" for entering 7th graders at my old elementary/middle school, when my class was making the list (books we thought kids would like, to keep them reading during the summer). I am fully aware that younger children enjoy these books; I read part of one of them to an 8 year old I was babysitting a couple years ago. But I've always thought of them as more teen/adult oriented, just because of the content (violence and such). So that word didn't shock me; in fact I hardly noticed it.
Wasn't surprised to see Harry and Ginny get together. Was surprised to see Hermione so jealous when Ron and Lavender were together. Although looking back on GOF I probably shouldn't have been.
Was really surprised to see that Snape was the HBP. For awhile during the book I actually leaned towards Malfoy being it. Not sure why, but I did. Was really surprised that Snape was given the teaching position he was. Was NOT surprised to see him kill Dumbledore (although saddened), due to the first or second chapter in the book, with the whole conversation with Narcissa and Belatrix.
When Harry found the note, and saw the signature, the first person I thought of was Sirius' brother.
I highly doubt they will keep the school open without Dumbledore there. And unfortunately the whole "we will not need a sequel you will have everything you need to know" thing regarding after book 7 leads me to believe Harry will not survive.
This book was intense, and kept me reading. But it was NOT what the other books have been. I did not like a lot of the choices she made in this one, and hope that not only will book 7 have a happier ending that what I suspect but that her choices will be explained, and that as a writer she can redeem herself. This one wasn't up to her usual standards

 

[NCombs]

I haven't read all the posts yet so this has probably already been put out there.

I don't think Dumbledore is really dead. I think Dumbedore and Snape had this faking his death plan all along which we will find out in the last book. If everyone believes Dumbledore is dead then he is free to search for the remaining Horcrux's without Voldemort suspecting it is happening and Snape will be able to completely "infilitrate" the Death Eaters.

I think the real reason Dumbledore completely trusted Snape will come out in the next book and he will be proved right for doing so.

Of course, this is probably my projecting what I WANT to happen onto the story because I just can't believe he is really dead.

I guess there is going to be a long wait to find out since the book isn't even written!!

 

[golfgal]

My thoughts are that Dumbledore is really dead. He sacrificed himself to maintain Snape's cover and now he can help Harry in a way that we don't know of yet or through his chats with him in the portrait in the headmaster's office. Snape obviously told Dumbledore about Voldermort's plan with Draco and the unbreakable vow. The past few books have stressed how old Dumbledore is and since I think he knew his time was short, he was willing to go forth with this plan. The pleading with Snape at the end was also part of the cover of the plan. I was really surprised the Phlegm stayed with Bill, however.


Also, I think the fact that Ron was holding Hermone and stroking her hair in the end was the "coming out" of their relationship. Tonks and Remus took me by surprise, too. Cute.

Whomever came up with Regalus Black and the unopenable locket at #12, brilliant!

Best book in the series so far!!!

 

[Danvers]

I have to tell you, I've never once read a HP book, but this thread makes me very interested in it...my fiance has all of the books and he loves them. Guess I need to pick the first one up and start reading