Harry Potter Complete Book Spoiler Thread

[jh123]

Didn't even think that. I was thinking someone from the Bones family.

I had the same thought! I think it could be Amelia Bones. Amelia could actually be her middle name. A lot of people use their middle name instead of their real first name.
In the first chapter it's mentioned that they believe she was murdered by Voldemort himself because she was such a gifted witch. Maybe he discovered that she knew his secret and that's why he really killed her.

 

[txSleepingBeauty]

I really really hope it doesn't take JKR another 2 years to finish the series!!

finished it a little while ago, really enjoyed, but I thought it moved a little slower than the other books. have no idea who RAB might be, but REagulus sounds good to me. I was quite pleased with Ron & Hermoine. I inferred that by him stroking her hair after the funeal that they were together, just haven't made the announcement yet.

I especially thought that it was wonderful that 3 couples came together right after Dumbledore died, kind of reinforced the whole love is magic idea he had.

btw, I think I'm one of the few who didn't cry when Dumbledore bit it.

 

[jwsqrdplus2]

I am probably going to rehash some of the other thoughts that have been presented so far, but here are my thoughts:

Sad, but not surprised that Dumbledore was killed.

Stunned a bit at Snape being the HBP. Makes sense, but...

Dumbledore has always been JKR's "muse" as he leaks the truth to Harry. His death at Snape's hand is probably not what it seems on the surface. I truly believe that mankind is good despite the fact that mankind tests my beliefs daily!!! In that line, I believe that Snape was destined to kill Dumbledore for a greater good (saving Draco perhaps and/or leading Harry to his destiny).

Snape was perhaps acting under a curse. The position of the DADA position is cursed and affects the "professors" in different ways depending on their personalities. This is a huge jump based on the fact that no insturctor has lasted more than a year.

Despite the ending, Harry, Hermoine and Ron will be back at Hogwarts for at least part of Year 7. The final battle will culminate at the school where "Dumbledore will never be gone as long as there are those who are loyal to him." Ginny, Luna and Neville will be prominent in the final book also.

Lavender and Ron had a high ICK factor for me too. Although, I did enjoy Hermoine's revenge of spells and the obnoxius wannabe! Ginny will not leave Harry; she has too much time and heart invested.

Despite Dumbledore's death, his presence will be felt in the final book.

Overall, I agree with the earlier poster who said this book was a bit rushed. JKR has a life outside of writing now and it shows. Not necessarily a bad thing (speaking as a career woman who took time off to raise her family), but it does show in this book. The only thing I truly fear of the final book is that she does not give it the effort it (and the fans) deserves.

I will reread this book over the next few weeks to digest the details I missed. And I am sure there are many.

Anyway, there are my thoughts, opinions and ramblings!!

 

[wvrevy]

I think this book had to move a little slower. I think it was essential that a lot of that backstory be told, so that it could set up the final battles to come.

Interesting thought I just had. Remember when Dumbledore was talking to Draco, telling him that he could help him ? Draco had just said that Dumbledore couldn't help him, that Voldemort would kill him and that he had no choice. Dumbledore said:

"He cannot kill you if you are already dead. Come over to the right side, Draco, and we can hide you more completely than you can possibly imagine.

Later, he said:

Nobody would be surprised that you had died in your attempt to kill me - forgive me, but Lord Voldemort probably expects it.

Is it possible that Dumbledore isn't quite as dead as we think he is ?

 

[txSleepingBeauty]

I think this book had to move a little slower. I think it was essential that a lot of that backstory be told, so that it could set up the final battles to come.

Interesting thought I just had. Remember when Dumbledore was talking to Draco, telling him that he could help him ? Draco had just said that Dumbledore couldn't help him, that Voldemort would kill him and that he had no choice. Dumbledore said:

Later, he said:


Is it possible that Dumbledore isn't quite as dead as we think he is ?

I kind of thought the same thing, would explain why Snape only defended himself against Harry and didn't let anyone else have him. If he was really working for Voldemort I think his animosity towards Harry would have been so great that he would have found a way to injure Harry and deliver him to LV, not just run away

 

[tiggerdog]

I think this book had to move a little slower. I think it was essential that a lot of that backstory be told, so that it could set up the final battles to come.

Interesting thought I just had. Remember when Dumbledore was talking to Draco, telling him that he could help him ? Draco had just said that Dumbledore couldn't help him, that Voldemort would kill him and that he had no choice. Dumbledore said:

Later, he said:


Is it possible that Dumbledore isn't quite as dead as we think he is ?

That is what I am guessing as well.

If he is dead, I think he and Snape planned his murder.

 

[wvrevy]

Exactly ! Plus, that would figure into the "redeeming himself" thing. I mean, if he simply didn't want to kill him because Voldy wants that pleasure, he could easily have incapacitated Harry and taken him along. Being an accomplished Legilimens, he pretty much knew what Harry was throwing at him before Harry even cast the spells...

I dunno...Something just didn't sit quite right about the whole thing. 'Course, maybe we're just grasping at straws, too, but I can't believe J.K. would use the lines I quoted for no reason.

 

[va32h]

No, I think Dumbledore is definitely dead. Fawkes mourned him, and disappeared, and Dumbledore's portrait instantly appeared in the headmaster's office. These are magical portents that could not be fooled by a false death.

However, Dumbledore told Harry once before "those we love never truly leave us" and that they are more real than ever when one has need of them. Harry's parents have helped him escape Voldemort at least twice, despite being definitely dead.

I also think that Harry understands that Dumbledore is truly dead, but not completely lost to him - and this is why his grief is not as raw and painful as it was when Sirius died.

Anyway, as for Snape - he said that Voldemort's orders were to "leave Harry" for Voldemort - not bring him. Voldemort wouldn't want to "shoot fish in a barrell" - look at what happened at the end of Goblet of Fire; Voldemort gave Harry his wand back - he wanted to defeat him in a duel, not kill him outright. Voldemort's ego will require him to hunt down and kill Harry, not have him brought in - and certainly not as a gift from Snape.

 

[mrsv98]

Phew...what a book!

I do not think that Dumbledore is dead. The way he was pleading with Snape made me think something was up. I think that Snape "killed" him because if he didn't the other Death Eaters would have, so Snape "killed" him to protect him. Who is to say what was under the cloak that Hagrid carried. Also, think about the way he didn't pause or hesitate to kill Dumbledore. The other Death Eaters knew it was Malfoy who was to carry out the deed and were waiting for him to at least try. Snape pounced immediately. It is not like a Death Eater to totally disregard the Master's orders.

As for Fawkes and the portrait, I think Dumbledore could have easily arranged those considering the magnitude of his magic.

It is a very classic set up, very Star Wars, where the master must die so the student can come to full fruition. But I think that JKR may put twist to that. Also, I think it is curious how she named the chapters. I knew immediately what was going to happen just by reading the titles. I don't recall her doing that before and I feel it might be a bit of smoke and mirrors.

Having Snape be the HPB makes sense considering the book Harry used was a potions text. But again, I think that Snape will be shown to be true in the end. As much as he hated James and Harry, do you think he could have restrained himself to that extent? He had mutiple opportunites to kill Harry and instead protected him.

I like Ginny and Harry coming full circle and I think she and Hermione and Ron will join Harry to some extent but in the end, he muct stand alone. I wish Neville had a bigger role, he felt very much pushed to the side after his large roll in OOtP. I don't know who RAB is tho I like the idea of Regelus Black. I understand what JKR was talking about when she said some of this book was in CoS, obviously she decided to keep the Horcruxes quiet until now.

So much to think about. I need to digest and then analyze more. DH needs to hurry and read it so I have someone to talk to!

 

[smilingmouse]

For once, I'm sad to be right. I've said for quite some time that I thought Snape would be the HBP.....and that I though Dumbledore would die (it just seemed like his time)....I was surprised by Snape, though. When 7 finally comes out, I suspect that Harry WILL kill volde, but I think he will die doing so.....I guess we all have about 3 years to wait....

I still can't believe Dumbledore is gone....

 

[LuvN~Travel]

Just finished reading it a few minutes ago.
Well....
First of all, ALL of the shippers came out like I expected. I've always thought JKRowling was a bit obvious there.
I'd already figured out that Snape would be the DADA teacher, Dumbledore always had the funniest ways of getting around others' rules.
And, I already knew that Rowling had said not to trust Snape. I was afraid that Dumbledore would die, hoping he wouldn't mind you....but was afraid, since all of Harry's 'father' figures have died as well.

I like the Regulus Black thing, that's pretty inspired (whoever posted it here first).
I also was wondering how Dumbledore knew of Malfoy's planning. It hurts to think that DD set himself up as a sacrifice, but it does sound like him.

Now...it sure is going to be a long time till the next one.....
Kim

 

[kejoda]

Add another one that doesn't really believe that Dumbledore is dead. I just can't help but think that Fawkes would of become Harry's if he no longer had his owner.

On on lighter note I just loved it when Slughorn refered Ron as Rupert on pg. 485.

 

[eeyore kelly]

I think DD is dead. I now believe Sirius is really dead too. J.K. is setting up the final showdown between LV and Harry alone. Now Snape, he can just go poison himself with a potion.

 

[smilingmouse]

I agree that DD is dead, but I suspect he'll be back (as a ghost???) to help HP in book 7. I'm not convinced that all is what it seems with Snape, either....I can't wait to see what happens there. Something doesn't feel right about the way he killed DD, but we'll see...I'm not sure why DD whated HP to go back to his aunt and uncle's one last time, either. I was disappointed to learn that Harry won't be back to Hogwarts....I wonder what his friends will do....

ARG so many unanswered questions!!!

 

[mushumadness]

finished mine in 2 hours (quick reader)

I loved it

cant wait for the next

I already have a few ideas who r a b is does anyone else

 

[mushumadness]

sirius's brother was r black so could r a b be him as they never found his body

 

[stinkerbelle]

I understand what JKR was talking about when she said some of this book was in CoS, obviously she decided to keep the Horcruxes quiet until now.

ahhh...yes...I was wondering what part of this would fit into CoS...that makes perfect sense. If Harry had knows about these in book 2...he would have been searching for them all along.

 

[Annette_VA]

I got my copy around 8:15am & finished around 10:30pm. I am still in shock this morning. I can not believe Snape is really bad & Dumbledore is dead. I kept waiting for Snape to turn on the DE's and Malfoy and for Dumbledore to come back.

And, possibly no 7th year at Hogwarts? I just can't imagine how the story will go in book 7 w/ no (or very little) Hogwarts.


Can someone answer a quick question for me? Dumbledore said that the DADA position was cursed after Tom asked for it - that after Dumbledore turned him down, no teacher lasted more than a year. But, wasn't Quirrel there for years?

 

[phillybeth]

I don't think Dumbledore will come back as a ghost- death is merely the next great adventure. However, I think Harry will return to Hogwart's, if only for the fact of Dumbledore's portrait in the Headmaster's office. Also, what if Harry is made Head Boy as has been rumored all these years? I don't see him turning his back on that responsibility. I can also see Harry returning as the DADA teacher.

Any guesses on the locations of the remaining Horcruxes? I think there is definitely one at Tom Riddle's orphanage, and one at Godric's Hollow. Nagini is usually with Voldemort, I would expect him to keep a Horcrux near at all times to 'escape' into if his mortal body is destroyed.

 

[mrsv98]

Annette, I think you are right. Remember, Hagrid said Quirrel was fine until he took a year off? I think JKR made a bit of a goof as she has in other stories. But overall, the consistency is pretty good.