Harry Potter Complete Book Spoiler Thread

[mainewmn]

Just noticed this thread and although I want to read it all I can’t right now. Here is my thought tough, Harry will not have to learn how to perform Crucio spell because he will not have to do it. I think that Snape is still in the Order and eventually it will be him that will kill LV, otherwise the next book will be over 1500 pages because Harry will have to learn a whole lot more to be able and ready to defeat LV by himself. I also think there may be possibility that Draco will turn good? As far as DD goes I really think he is dead. JKR gave lots very detail description of his death and if you look at the big picture DD has to die in order to force Harry to face LV.

 

[ophie]

I agree with the speculation of the length on book 7. One thing that no one has mentioned, at least I haven't seen it, is that in book 7, Harry must learn how to kill, or at least perform the Crucio. Right now he is quite feeble in a true fight. That has to change, and I think since it is such a darkening of Harry's heart, that it will have to take a while accomplish.

Gotta go with no on this one. I don't see Harry being forced into Unforgiveables. He did his dabbling in Dark Magic with Sectumsempra and learned his lesson.

And just for record, I am in the DD is not dead camp. My main reason is the result of the Avada Kedavra on every other victim in the entire series was that the person fell in a heep. Dead before the hit the ground. Yet DD was thrown up over a 6 foot wall, clearly the Levicorpus spell. Also when Harry was kneeling by DD, there was blood coming from his month. No other victim of the killing curse had outward injuries. This could have easily been Snape’s own Sectumsempra spell. Recall Harry used it on Draco and he bleed profusely. Anyway, I wouldn't bet money he is still alive, but there is definitely circumstantial evidence to suggest he may be.

Okay... I'm for sure in the DD is dead camp. It's out of character for the man who doesn't fear death to fake his own.

But... besides that. Let's go with this as a possibility. Okay, I agree that it's possible that Snape said one thing but thought another that was the "actual" spell. But, I don't think it was Levicorpus because DD wasn't flipped upside down. And the blood out of DD's mouth also doesn't indicate a spell like Sectumsempra. It indicates being tossed from the top of the tallest tower.

I still don't see how DD could have survived the fall even if it wasn't the AK. I mean, he didn't have his wand, so he couldn't have conjured anything to cushion the fall and then conjured a Fake dead DD.

 

[Imzadi]

DD had to fake his own death so Snape would be released from the Unbreakable Curse. Snape floated DD down SLOWLY, (it did describe him falling SLOWLY) & Snape cushioned his fall at the end.

As for Harry having to face LV alone, he may have to, but even Luke had Han fly in at the last minute to blast Darth Vader away, so Luke could destroy the Death Star! It would be wonderful if DD poofs in at the last minute & Crucios LV into oblivion for Harry. (Oh wait, THAT happened in "Return of the Jedi" when Darth destroyed the Emperor NOT Luke, as predicted in Luke's destiny.) Destiny/prophecies such a tricky thing.

Sorry if I spoiled the Star Wars saga for anyone, but you SHOULD have seen it by now.

 

[ophie]

Umm... Unbreakable Vow. LV, you mean? (I sure hope Harry doesn't have to face VD.) And JKR has routinely said that we all have seen way too much Star Wars and that it's not her style. Oh... and "Destiny" isn't applicable in HP. Didn't you read HBP at all? Don't set too much store by the prophecy.

As for the DD death thing... if DD is actually still alive, it'll be the biggest cop out ever.

 

[SueM in MN]

For SueM in MN, would you please post the link to the inner dust jacket art -- the link you posted gave a google list for mugglenet stuff and I couldn't find the art you were talking about. I am very curious!! Much appreciated!

Well, that's pretty annoying, the way it worked. When I tested the link out, it worked. But, I see now it just goes to a search on mugglenet.
I have a feeling if I try to post it again, it will do the same thing. So, here's how I found it:
1) Go to www.mugglenet.com
2) In the search box toward the right side top, enter HBP UK cover
You'll get a list of links that include the one of the cover.

Here's some links to try:
www.mugglenet.com/editorials/ theundergroundlake/tul22.shtml
This should give a discussion of the cover art for all the books (US version vs UK version). Scroll down about 2/3 down the page. It's kind of small, but you can see the inside of the dust cover at the back.

Also, try this one:
http://www.wizardnews.com/story.200506101.html

If the link works right, you can enlarge it by clicking on it.

 

[TwingleMum]

I haven't got through all 49 pages so bear with me, please. I am also not the expert many of you are, I just love the series. These are some of my thoughts of HBP~ I was a little disappointed. GOF AND SS are still my favs. I thought some of it was predictable - I knew DD was the beloved figure to die in this book so that could color my thinking b/c I adore DD. Even though JKR says we read too much SW overtones into HP I thought before the book was release that DD would somehow sacrafice himself for Harry like Obi Wan did for Luke. So Luke could get stronger. And yes I think DD is definetly dead. I think if his death was staged its a cheap trick and a cop out ( which I don't think JKR would do) He also is in his portrait in the Headmasters Room asleep as if exhausted. I read that JKR says Snape will redeem himself in the last book. I say there is no way. Even if he somehow helps Harry at the last minute it still doesn't negate his betrayl. One of the saddest moments in the book (sorry my copy is at home) is when DD looks at him pleading with his eyes for help That scene killed me. And after all those times DD defended Snape to everyone well (Italian Mob Movie Voice) "He is dead in my eyes." I also thought it was predictable that Snape was the HBP. And will no one listen to Mr.Weasley when he tells you to beware of objects that think for themselves? Geeesh!!!
On a happier note I do think Ginny & Harry get together for good in Book 7. I don't think spunky Ginny is going to let Harry go that easily. I think you'll see a reprise of the OOTP group ~ Harry,Ginny,Ron,Hermoine,Luna and Neville. I really hope JKR includes Neville I would love to see him help in a big way and show his overbearing Grandmother and everyone else that he is a true Longbottom. And it would be sweet justice for him just as much as Harry after what they did to his parents. I love the thought of Ron & Hermoine they just fit. Can't you just picture Hermoine as Headmistress of Hogwarts or Minister of Magic. And it would be so nice for Harry to really be a part of the family he loves (the Weasleys) We know Mrs.Weasley loves him and thinks of him as one of her own. I did love the moment where Fleur let Mrs.Weasley have it when she went at her and said she will always love Bill and she is beautiful enough for the two of them. Fleur went up a million notches in my estimation.
Crookshanks~ there is something up with him and I have a suspicion we've not heard the whole story of this kitty. I think he is an animagus (sp?) and quite possibly Regilus Black-Sirius's brother. Crookshanks had it in for Scabbers before anyone knew he was PP. Crookshanks gave Sirius help and he seems a little too aware and always lurking around. It also seems that he picked them at the pet store not the other way around. I think Sirius's brother will help Harry in a big way defeat LV and redeem himself for his prior association with the Deatheaters. Then he and Harry could have a little family their bond their mutual love for Sirius. They could use the Black mansion and have it be there base of operations.
I also think there is something up with LV taking Harry's blood. DD seemed very pleased and as if LV fell for the bait. I don't know if by taking the blood he made himself vunerable to Harry or if it somehow shields Harry but its very powerful if my man DD had anything to do with it.
I'm rambling so I'll stop one last thought I thought the book was basically a vehicle to set the stage for the last book. (I wish JKR would change her mind I really hate the idea of this next one being the last book, maybe she'll write a prequel about Harry's Dad & his gang , or the fab 4 ~ Ravenclaw, slytherin, Hufflepuff and Gryfindor, or Dumbledore ,or Hermoines favorite Hogwart' s a History) Good Night, Sweet Dreams......

 

[Daxx]

Crookshanks~ there is something up with him and I have a suspicion we've not heard the whole story of this kitty. I think he is an animagus (sp?) and quite possibly Regilus Black-Sirius's brother.

First of all, JKR has stated that Crookshanks is not an animagus.

Second, Regulus Black is dead. See HP&OOTP, US pb edition, chpt. 6, pg. 111 & 112- Sirius and Harry are talking about the family tapestry. Sirius jabbed a finger at the very bottom of the tree, at the name REGULUS BLACK. A date of death (some fifteen years previously) followed the date of birth.

Further down, Sirius tells Harry that Regulus was a Death Eater. Pg. 112 Harry asks:
"Was he killed by an auror?"
"Oh, no," said Sirius. "No, he was murdered by Voldemort. Or on Voldemort's orders, more likely, I doubt Regulus was ever important enought to be killed by Voldemort in person. From what I found out after he died, he got in so far, then panicked about what he was being asked to do and tried to back out. Well, you don't just hand in your resignation to Voldemort. It's a lifetime service or death."

Looks like a no go on those theories. Sorry!

 

[TwingleMum]

First of all, JKR has stated that Crookshanks is not an animagus.

Second, Regulus Black is dead. See HP&OOTP, US pb edition, chpt. 6, pg. 111 & 112- Sirius and Harry are talking about the family tapestry. Sirius jabbed a finger at the very bottom of the tree, at the name REGULUS BLACK. A date of death (some fifteen years previously) followed the date of birth.

Further down, Sirius tells Harry that Regulus was a Death Eater. Pg. 112 Harry asks:
"Was he killed by an auror?"
"Oh, no," said Sirius. "No, he was murdered by Voldemort. Or on Voldemort's orders, more likely, I doubt Regulus was ever important enought to be killed by Voldemort in person. From what I found out after he died, he got in so far, then panicked about what he was being asked to do and tried to back out. Well, you don't just hand in your resignation to Voldemort. It's a lifetime service or death."

Looks like a no go on those theories. Sorry!

I thought I read somewhere (don't have my book) that they heard or thought he was killed that there wasn't a body. (maybe I just thought that & leapt to he could come back)

 

[TwingleMum]

First of all, JKR has stated that Crookshanks is not an animagus.

Second, Regulus Black is dead. See HP&OOTP, US pb edition, chpt. 6, pg. 111 & 112- Sirius and Harry are talking about the family tapestry. Sirius jabbed a finger at the very bottom of the tree, at the name REGULUS BLACK. A date of death (some fifteen years previously) followed the date of birth.

Further down, Sirius tells Harry that Regulus was a Death Eater. Pg. 112 Harry asks:
"Was he killed by an auror?"
"Oh, no," said Sirius. "No, he was murdered by Voldemort. Or on Voldemort's orders, more likely, I doubt Regulus was ever important enought to be killed by Voldemort in person. From what I found out after he died, he got in so far, then panicked about what he was being asked to do and tried to back out. Well, you don't just hand in your resignation to Voldemort. It's a lifetime service or death."

Looks like a no go on those theories. Sorry!

I thought I read somewhere (don't have my book) that they heard or thought he was killed that there wasn't a body. (maybe I just thought that & leapt to he could come back)

 

[RC Fan]

I thought JKR has already said that Crookshanks is a Kneazle?

 

[KelNottAt]

I thought JKR has already said that Crookshanks is a Kneazle?

Vocabulary alert! What in the world is a Kneazle? I don't recall reading that. Thanks.

 

[RC Fan]

Sorry, I should say part-Kneazle. Here is the definition of a Kneazle from the HP Lexicon site: 'This very intelligent cat-like creature can detect unsavory persons very well and will react badly to them. However, if a Kneazle takes a liking to a witch or wizard, it makes an excellent pet. The Kneazle has spotted fur, large ears, and a lion-like tail.'

 

[Figment22]

Vocabulary alert! What in the world is a Kneazle? I don't recall reading that. Thanks.

You need to get your hands on a copy of Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them and Quidditch Through the Ages or your Harry Potter library is incomplete! These are companion books to the HP series which are the only other books written by J.K. Rowling (although their "authors" are wizards). All proceeds from the sale of these books, originally released in 2001, go to the British charity, Comic Relief. (Different from the American one.) They're well worth the couple of bucks you'll spend on them.

It's the only way to know your Kneazles!!

 

[TwingleMum]

You need to get your hands on a copy of Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them and Quidditch Through the Ages or your Harry Potter library is incomplete! These are companion books to the HP series which are the only other books written by J.K. Rowling (although their "authors" are wizards). All proceeds from the sale of these books, originally released in 2001, go to the British charity, Comic Relief. (Different from the American one.) They're well worth the couple of bucks you'll spend on them.

It's the only way to know your Kneazles!!

Oh thats a good suggestion I bought these the last time someone suggested it and they are a fun read. I love all the drawings and comments Ron & Harry write on the books. I still hope she does the same thing and writes "Hogwarts a History"

 

[MickeyMonstersMom]

I thought I read somewhere (don't have my book) that they heard or thought he was killed that there wasn't a body.

I don't have my book handy either, but I know the "never found a body" reference was about another Death Eater. I've read some theories that this guy's disappearance may have been engineered by Dumbledore, and reflects DD's offer to Draco (LV "can't kill you if you're already dead," etc) - a WW Witness Protection deal, I guess.

Edit: Whoops! I meant Order member - have no idea why I typed Death Eater. Sorry!

 

[ophie]

The only "no body" references have been for Order members. Harry mentions @ the end of HBP that he's never been to a funeral because with Sirius there was "no body." Then there are the Order Members that were killed in Voldy War I that Moody mentions in OotP.

"Benjy Fenwick, he copped it too, we only ever found bits of him"
"Caradoc Dearborn, vanished six months after this, we never found his body"

 

[ophie]

Question... in the Pensieve memories when the Gaunts and Riddle are speaking in Parseltongue... how does DD understand what's being said between them? Or does he understand? Does he just surmise?

 

[tw1nsmom]

Question... in the Pensieve memories when the Gaunts and Riddle are speaking in Parseltongue... how does DD understand what's being said between them? Or does he understand? Does he just surmise?

OOOh, this is a very good question! I hadn't thought about it, but I'm interested to see if anyone knows the answer. Anybody have any ideas?

 

[ohanafamily]

I have to go back and re-read it, but I though DD didn't understand it , Harry did... or he was able to understand it because Harry was there...

 

[ophie]

It sure seemed like he understood when he and Harry were discussing it later. I mean, all that about Merope watching Tom Riddle, Sr. was said in Parseltongue. So is DD a Parselmouth?