Gap, Old Navy censor 'Christmas,'

[chobie]

Too busy attacking Christmas?


(just kidding!)

You got it! As soon as we make Christmas illegal and throw children in jail for saying Merry Christmas, we're going after the Easter Bunny. Ssshh, don't tell anyone.

 

[Disneyland1084]

You got it! As soon as we make Christmas illegal and throw children in jail for saying Merry Christmas, we're going after the Easter Bunny. Ssshh, don't tell anyone.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

You got it! As soon as we make Christmas illegal and throw children in jail for saying Merry Christmas, we're going after the Easter Bunny. Ssshh, don't tell anyone.

Are you sure it isn't the Pagan Bunny? Cadbury creme pagan eggs?

Please don't mess with my Cadbury!

 

[chobie]

Are you sure it isn't the Pagan Bunny? Cadbury creme pagan eggs?

Please don't mess with my Cadbury!

Cadbury eggs --sooo good. And don't forget the peeps, I know how much you love marshmallows!

 

[beattyfamily]

You got it! As soon as we make Christmas illegal and throw children in jail for saying Merry Christmas, we're going after the Easter Bunny. Ssshh, don't tell anyone.

Actually, some malls were calling the Easter Bunny the Spring Bunny and in some towns the Easter egg hunt is called the Spring Egg Hunt. So Easter is also supposedly 'at war'.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Cadbury eggs --sooo good. And don't forget the peeps, I know how much you love marshmallows!

Please feel free to attack those, ban them, do whatever you need to do. I will surrender the peeps without any trouble.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Actually, some malls were calling the Easter Bunny the Spring Bunny and in some towns the Easter egg hunt is called the Spring Egg Hunt. So Easter is also supposedly 'at war'.

Are you serious????????


Not that I care--but seriously????


So the spring motto will be..."The reason? He has risen!"

So no rushing to make t-shirts....that's my motto--forever imprinted on the DIS as I am the first who came up with it.

 

[beattyfamily]

Are you serious????????


Not that I care--but seriously????

Yep, its true!!

 

[Chuck S]

Why is it important for those wanting to hear "Merry Christmas" rather than "Happy Holidays" to have total strangers (paid sales clerks) validate their choice of religious beliefs for them?

 

[cardaway]

Let's examine the critical mass of all these holidays:

- % of Americans who celebrate Chanukah (which until Jews started significantly assimilating -- circa the late 50s/early 60s -- was a minor holiday on the Jewish calendar, not involving gift giving, which is a tradition that started when baby boomer parents had to deal with their kids reacting to all the celebrations of their Christian classmates): about 2%

- % of Americans celebrating Kwanza (which is not a religious holiday like Christmas or Chanukah, it's a "cultural" celebration that didn't even exist until it was created in 1966 by Maulana Karenga, a convicted felon and Marxist political activist): at best about 4-5% (no, not all African Americans participate).

- % of Americans who celebrate Christmas (a core, major Christian holiday with roots going back to at least 1038): per Roper and Gallup, in the range of 90% (interestingly, both say more African Americans formally celebrate Christmas than Kwanza....)

Bottom line: the PC crowd here wants so called "acknowledgment" to imply equality. But it doesn't - the "other" holidays occuring around Christmas don't equate in either scale or importance, which is what makes the omission of the apparently horrific "C" word so annoying. Implying Kwanza or Chanukah are of the same social "weight" as Christmas is like saying Horace Horsecollar is of the same importance to the Disney character legacy as Mickey.

Wouldn't be the first time somebody has used the percentages to say the minority doesn't matter. It's just not very often you see people admitting to thinking that way in public.

 

[Mrs.Toad]

Bottom line: the PC crowd here wants so called "acknowledgment" to imply equality. But it doesn't - the "other" holidays occuring around Christmas don't equate in either scale or importance, which is what makes the omission of the apparently horrific "C" word so annoying. Implying Kwanza or Chanukah are of the same social "weight" as Christmas is like saying Horace Horsecollar is of the same importance to the Disney character legacy as Mickey.

Yup, that's exactly it, isn't it?

Those non-Christians are getting uppity, thinking their holidays are equal to ours.

 

[Mrs.Toad]

Are you serious????????


Not that I care--but seriously????


So the spring motto will be..."The reason? He has risen!"

Every spring for the last 6 years or so, our neighborhood has an egg hunt, organized by some of the most devout Christians I know. Because there are Jewish and Hindu families in the neighborhood, and we want to make sure their kids feel welcome to join in, we have always called it the neighborhood "Spring Egg Hunt".

We didn't realize we were declaring war on Easter by doing so... we thought we were being nice.

 

[cardaway]

Every spring for the last 6 years or so, our neighborhood has an egg hunt, organized by some of the most devout Christians I know. Because there are Jewish and Hindu families in the neighborhood, and we want to make sure their kids feel welcome to join in, we have always called it the neighborhood "Spring Egg Hunt".

We didn't realize we were declaring war on Easter by doing so... we thought we were being nice.

Pretty sensible if you ask me since like Christmas, Easter is another holiday where the many of the traditions have more to do with other religions than anything Christian.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Every spring for the last 6 years or so, our neighborhood has an egg hunt, organized by some of the most devout Christians I know. Because there are Jewish and Hindu families in the neighborhood, and we want to make sure their kids feel welcome to join in, we have always called it the neighborhood "Spring Egg Hunt".

We didn't realize we were declaring war on Easter by doing so... we thought we were being nice.

I did say I didn't care--but since you brought it up...I just find it weird and funny. "Open to all" on a flyer would cover that everyone was welcome.

I don't see other faiths modifying their celebrations in name to make others feel welcome. If others feel welcome, they just say so.

What you are doing is being nice--but changing the name of any kind of celebration, just to be nice--there are other ways one can be nice.

Just my 2/100ths (wanted to be all inclusive--not everyone has a monetary value of a "cent" ).

 

[Mrs.Toad]

What you are doing is being nice--but changing the name of any kind of celebration, just to be nice--there are other ways one can be nice.

Sure, there are other ways to be nice. We just happened to choose this one.

We know other people may have chosen a different way had they planned the event, but they have absolutely no leg to stand on to proclaim that we are "taking Christ out of" or "declaring war on" Easter. That's not the intent, and anyone who thinks so is wrong.

 

[beachblanket]

I found this part very interesting and informative. I didn't know this. I thought they always gave gifts and that its always been a big religious holiday. Learn something new everyday here on the DIS.

I just did a search and learned that they only started giving gifts in the 50's/60's and only in America.

From a Jewish website:

Beatty, thank you for further filling out the picture here amongst all the political noise. I'm more than willing to bet almost all the "happy holiday" apologists here didn't have a clue about the true nature and history of Chanukah, instead assuming it was just some sort of "Jewish" form of Christmas.

And if that's sad, their lack of knowledge about Kwanzaa is probably even worse. So let's help them:

- Unlike the other December holidays in discussion here, Kwanza is not an international holiday. Observations are almost exclusively in the U.S. Not surprising given it was invented here and only 40 years ago.

- Involvement in Kwanzaa is even lower than I originally thought. According to a marketing survey conducted by the National Retail Foundation in 2004, Kwanzaa is celebrated by (drum roll please) 1.6% of all Americans

- Kwanzaa was specifically designed to be a substitute for Christmas. To quote Ron Karenga, it's inventor: "we want to give African Americans an alternative holiday to Christmas....it was chosen to give a Black alternative to the existing holiday and give Blacks an opportunity to celebrate themselves and history, rather than simply imitate the practice of the dominant society." By the way, Karanga has also been quoted as saying "Jesus was psychotic" and that "Christianity is a white religion that blacks should shun."

- While a supposed "alternative" to Christmas, Kwanzaa heavily follows the Christmas template. The primary elements are candle lighting, feasting/sharing libations and (particularly in households with children) some gift giving. If there's anything that differentiates it, its a focus on ancestry.

And with that, may you all have a

And hopefully also enjoy my CHRISTMAS favorites, which include:

- The annual WDW Christmas Day "CHRISTMAS Parade" (gee, why doesn't Disney change it to "HOLIDAY" parade to be "more inclusive")

- The annual broadcast of "How The Grinch Stole CHRISTMAS" (no, not the overblown Carey vehicle, but rather the original 1966 cartoon version!)

- The annual broadcast of "A Charlie Brown CHRISTMAS" (actually features Linus reading the Gospel according to Luke Thank heaven Charles Schulz lived in a pre PC creative era!!!)

- The annual broadcast of "A CHRISTMAS Story" (YES - TNN is running its annual marathon broadcast of this all day on Christmas Eve again this year )

- The 1938 version of "A CHRISTMAS Carol" (the story has been made into scores of films; some people like the glossy Albert Finney 1970s version, but this haunting and deep treatment comes closest to Dicken's true intent)

- The annual production (since 1933) of the Radio City "CHRISTMAS Spectacular" - arguably the most impressive stage production in America, featuring the most massive, incredible living nativity scene you will ever see as the climax).

- The inevitable broadcast of "National Lampoon's CHRISTMAS Vacation" (clearly Chevy Chase's high water mark of the series)

 

[Laura]

Beatty, thank you for further filling out the picture here amongst all the political noise. I'm more than willing to bet almost all the "happy holiday" apologists here didn't have a clue about the true nature and history of Chanukah, instead assuming it was just some sort of "Jewish" form of Christmas.
...
etc.

Just goes to show that others saying "Happy Holidays" doesn't stop you from celebrating Christmas. So what's the big deal, then?

Oh, and the "Christmas template" you refer to with respect to Kwanzaa isn't Christian in origin. It's a "pagan template"--celebrating the return of the sun. Thanks.

 

[cardaway]

Just goes to show that others saying "Happy Holidays" doesn't stop you from celebrating Christmas. So what's the big deal, then?

beachblanket could try and be more rude, but I bet it would fail.

How was that last part (with the huge bolded words) the least bit necessary?

And the whole thing about the percentages are small, so they don't matter, is simply one of the most aweful things I have ever read here.

 

[Laura]

beachblanket could try and be more rude, but I bet it would fail.

How was that last part (with the huge bolded words) the least bit necessary?

And the whole thing about the percentages are small, so they don't matter, is simply one of the most aweful things I have ever read here.

Yeah, the percentages thing is a bit rude, I think. Minorities matter. And nobody's stopping the majority from celebrating Christmas. It's been made quite obvious, hasn't it?

 

[beachblanket]

beachblanket could try and be more rude...one of the most aweful (SIC) things I have ever read here.

Yeah, the percentages thing is a bit rude, I think.

Yes, how dare someone post facts - ones that illustrate the miniscule levels of true holiday cultural "diversity," the sole, shaky justificiation of the "Happy Holiday" argument. Yes, these discussions must apparently stay solely in the realm of emotion and myth, no facts allowed. Introduce them and you'll be called names and demonized.

But enough rancor. I'll let Linus speak now. Here are his EXACT words from the climax of "A Charlie Brown CHRISTMAS":

"And Joseph also went up from Galilee, out of the city of Nazareth , into Judea, unto the city of David, which is called Bethlehem: To be taxed with Mary his espoused wife, being great with child. And so it was, that, while they were there, the days were accomplished that she should be delivered.

Aand she brought forth her firstborn son, and wrapped him in swaddling clothes, and laid him in a manger, because there was no room for them in the inn.

And there were in the same country shepherds abiding in the field, keeping watch over their flock by night,and lo, the angel of the Lord came upon them and the glory of the Lord shone round about them and they were sore afraid.

And the angel said unto them Fear not for behold I bring you good tidings of great joy which shall be to all people.

For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour which is Christ the Lord."