Gap, Old Navy censor 'Christmas,'

[HeDiedxILive]

I watched the commerial for Gap again last night, and this time I am 100% sure that I heard the word Christmas.

 

[basas]

I have to ask all the "inclusion of everyone" people:

From a business standpoint, Disney's theme parks are just like any store. They want to attract customers, and they are very busy while celebrating the holidays. But unlike certain stores which now 'censor' out Christmas, Disney continues to put many, many Christmas decorations throughout the parks, have "Merry Christmas" all over the place, and also do many other events specific to Christmas. Now, they do have mentions of other religions/holidays too, but the focus (by a long shot) is clearly on Christmas...you know, that Christian holiday. Heck- they even have a nativity scene up and events like the Candlelight Processional.

So if I'm understanding all of your viewpoints correctly, in order to be 'nice' and accepting of the small percentage of the population that does not celebrate Christmas, Disney (like stores) should end celebrating Christmas, and instead throw up a few "Happy Holidays" banners here and there. After all, only then will the PC/ACLU crowd truly be happy.

Is that what you guys want? To me there is no difference between Wal-Mart doing this, and Disney doing it...

 

[JennyMominRI]

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So if I'm understanding all of your viewpoints correctly, in order to be 'nice' and accepting of the small percentage of the population that does not celebrate Christmas, Disney (like stores) should end celebrating Christmas, and instead throw up a few "Happy Holidays" banners here and there. After all, only then will the PC/ACLU crowd truly be happy.

Is that what you guys want? To me there is no difference between Wal-Mart doing this, and Disney doing it...

I have purchased Chanukah items at the christmas stores at Disney...I have no issue with Disney's Christmas decoration.I just stayed at the GF to see them..
Besides, I don't think Mickey's Very Somber Yom Kippor would get many takers

 

[poohandwendy]

I have to ask all the "inclusion of everyone" people:

From a business standpoint, Disney's theme parks are just like any store. They want to attract customers, and they are very busy while celebrating the holidays. But unlike certain stores which now 'censor' out Christmas, Disney continues to put many, many Christmas decorations throughout the parks, have "Merry Christmas" all over the place, and also do many other events specific to Christmas. Now, they do have mentions of other religions/holidays too, but the focus (by a long shot) is clearly on Christmas...you know, that Christian holiday. Heck- they even have a nativity scene up and events like the Candlelight Processional.

So if I'm understanding all of your viewpoints correctly, in order to be 'nice' and accepting of the small percentage of the population that does not celebrate Christmas, Disney (like stores) should end celebrating Christmas, and instead throw up a few "Happy Holidays" banners here and there. After all, only then will the PC/ACLU crowd truly be happy.

Is that what you guys want? To me there is no difference between Wal-Mart doing this, and Disney doing it...

I don't think you understand, at least my Christian point of view, I don't care either way.

IMO, businesses have the right to decide what PR works for them. I don't look to businesses for redemption fo my beliefs. If they have "Merry Christmas' great, if they have "Happy Holidays" great, if they don't acknowledge it at all, great. It just does not make any difference to me because they are not a part of that holiday.

I see my personal relationship with God as something between God and me. I don't need Disney, the Gap or any other retail establishments endorsement or recognition of my religious holidays.

For some reason, people seem to think that if they come up with an 'important' retail store or business not mentioning Christmas, there will be an uproar amongst those of us not offended by this hoopla. Retail business and materialism in general have nothing to do with religious holidays or beliefs, so I see them as completely separate.

Now, if my church stopped mentioning Christ, that would make a difference to me. I just do not expect secular establishments to recognize my personal belief system.

Hope that explains at least my personal take on this.

 

[LuvDuke]

I have to ask all the "inclusion of everyone" people:

From a business standpoint, Disney's theme parks are just like any store. They want to attract customers, and they are very busy while celebrating the holidays. But unlike certain stores which now 'censor' out Christmas, Disney continues to put many, many Christmas decorations throughout the parks, have "Merry Christmas" all over the place, and also do many other events specific to Christmas. Now, they do have mentions of other religions/holidays too, but the focus (by a long shot) is clearly on Christmas...you know, that Christian holiday. Heck- they even have a nativity scene up and events like the Candlelight Processional.

So if I'm understanding all of your viewpoints correctly, in order to be 'nice' and accepting of the small percentage of the population that does not celebrate Christmas, Disney (like stores) should end celebrating Christmas, and instead throw up a few "Happy Holidays" banners here and there. After all, only then will the PC/ACLU crowd truly be happy.

Is that what you guys want? To me there is no difference between Wal-Mart doing this, and Disney doing it...

Yanno, the only ones who seem to be complaining are the annual "It's a war on Christmas" crowd who get their panties in a wad because someone has the nerve to make a business decision or are offering a holiday greeting.

As to what we want, I can't speak for the rest, but I would like this ridiculous, manufactured controversy over Christmas to die a quick painless death.

And have a Merry Christmas.

 

[Jabber_Jaws]

I agree! It amazes me that anyone would be offended by being told Happy Holidays rather then Merry Christmas. Seriously - if you are offended by this then you don't have enough in your life to worry about.

~Amanda

That should go both ways correct? Why should someone be offended by someone wishing them a Merry Christmas?

 

[Jabber_Jaws]

So, boycott the retailers already. I'm sure it will be as successful as the boycott of WDW by the Southern Baptists because of Gay Days.

I thought Gay Days was not a Disney sponsored event? Why would they prostest Disney because of it? Silly people

 

[Laugh O. Grams]

Yanno, the only ones who seem to be complaining are the annual "It's a war on Christmas" crowd who get their panties in a wad because someone has the nerve to make a business decision or are offering a holiday greeting.

As to what we want, I can't speak for the rest, but I would like this ridiculous, manufactured controversy over Christmas to die a quick painless death.

But then how would Bill O'Reilly unload all of his leftover No-Spin Zone "Attack on Christmas" mugs and t-shirts? The man's got to feed his family, for god sakes!!!!

 

[chobie]

I have purchased Chanukah items at the christmas stores at Disney...I have no issue with Disney's Christmas decoration.I just stayed at the GF to see them..
Besides, I don't think Mickey's Very Somber Yom Kippor would get many takers

 

[Laura]

I have to ask all the "inclusion of everyone" people:

From a business standpoint, Disney's theme parks are just like any store. They want to attract customers, and they are very busy while celebrating the holidays. But unlike certain stores which now 'censor' out Christmas, Disney continues to put many, many Christmas decorations throughout the parks, have "Merry Christmas" all over the place, and also do many other events specific to Christmas. Now, they do have mentions of other religions/holidays too, but the focus (by a long shot) is clearly on Christmas...you know, that Christian holiday. Heck- they even have a nativity scene up and events like the Candlelight Processional.

So if I'm understanding all of your viewpoints correctly, in order to be 'nice' and accepting of the small percentage of the population that does not celebrate Christmas, Disney (like stores) should end celebrating Christmas, and instead throw up a few "Happy Holidays" banners here and there. After all, only then will the PC/ACLU crowd truly be happy.

Is that what you guys want? To me there is no difference between Wal-Mart doing this, and Disney doing it...

I don't mind those around me celebrating Christmas, and I don't mind retailers putting up "Merry Christmas" signs and so forth. It's up to stores/WDW to decide how to celebrate the season and please customers/guests. I still get to celebrate my way, so that's fine. And I enjoy all the pagan evergreen decorations. I even like Christmas music (religious and secular); I think it's pretty.

Honestly, if I were still Christian, I'd be glad that Christmas is being disassociated with materialism in stores.

 

[Anewman]

I have to ask all the "inclusion of everyone" people:

From a business standpoint, Disney's theme parks are just like any store. They want to attract customers, and they are very busy while celebrating the holidays. But unlike certain stores which now 'censor' out Christmas, Disney continues to put many, many Christmas decorations throughout the parks, have "Merry Christmas" all over the place, and also do many other events specific to Christmas. Now, they do have mentions of other religions/holidays too, but the focus (by a long shot) is clearly on Christmas...you know, that Christian holiday. Heck- they even have a nativity scene up and events like the Candlelight Processional.

So if I'm understanding all of your viewpoints correctly, in order to be 'nice' and accepting of the small percentage of the population that does not celebrate Christmas, Disney (like stores) should end celebrating Christmas, and instead throw up a few "Happy Holidays" banners here and there. After all, only then will the PC/ACLU crowd truly be happy.

Is that what you guys want? To me there is no difference between Wal-Mart doing this, and Disney doing it...

This is not a thread where anybody is complaining about businesses that still use"Christmas", LIKE WALMART.

NOBODY is saying at that all businesses "SHOULD" stop celebrating Christmas in order to be all inclusive, we are just saying we do not feel it as an attack on CHRISTIANS if some choose to.

Would I BOYCOTT or feel insulted if Disney switched to a "happy holliday" parade? NO.

The PC/ACLU crowd has not complained about businesses using either, UNLESS it was a GOV(tax funded) property in question. Neither Disney or GAP fall under that umbrella.

 

[salmoneous]

ISo if I'm understanding all of your viewpoints correctly, in order to be 'nice' and accepting of the small percentage of the population that does not celebrate Christmas, Disney (like stores) should end celebrating Christmas, and instead throw up a few "Happy Holidays" banners here and there. After all, only then will the PC/ACLU crowd truly be happy.

Is that what you guys want?

No - nobody said that. You made it up to created a strawman.

 

[Disneyland1084]

 

[chobie]

No - nobody said that. You made it up to created a strawman.

Exactly. Nobody said that she had to be nice to nonChristians by refraining from saying Merry Christmas. Nobody said that she or anyone should not say Merry Christmas. No one said it ever. Not here. Not there. Not in a box. Not with a fox. So, yes, she does have it wrong. The majority of people, Christians and nonChristians alike just don't care about what Target says, or doesn't say to customers. Christians (most of them anyway) know that the reason for the season is not diminished by people wishing each other happiness with whatever words they so choose.

 

[LuvDuke]

But then how would Bill O'Reilly unload all of his leftover No-Spin Zone "Attack on Christmas" mugs and t-shirts? The man's got to feed his family, for god sakes!!!!

And those loofahs are starting to get expensive.

 

[yeartolate]

So if I'm understanding all of your viewpoints correctly, in order to be 'nice' and accepting of the small percentage of the population that does not celebrate Christmas, Disney (like stores) should end celebrating Christmas, and instead throw up a few "Happy Holidays" banners here and there. After all, only then will the PC/ACLU crowd truly be happy.

Is that what you guys want? To me there is no difference between Wal-Mart doing this, and Disney doing it...

I am not sure that is the point - I think a more accurate representation would be -- if a store decided to put up happy holidays banners rather than Merry Christmas, it should not be considered an attack on Christmas and Christians.

 

[maddiemouse]

Definitions:

"Happy Holidays"

Right-wing neo cons.....Attack on Christmas

Everybody else............Happy holidays

 

[Fitswimmer]

I am not sure that is the point - I think a more accurate representation would be -- if a store decided to put up happy holidays banners rather than Merry Christmas, it should not be considered an attack on Christmas and Christians.

I don't view it as an "attack" but I don't like it. When I was in grammar school a million years ago, we started singing Chanukah songs along with the Christmas songs. We were told that we were doing it so the kids in school that celebrated Chanukah didn't feel excluded. We were taught a little about the holiday so we understood the songs. We were also taught that some families did not celebrate the religious aspect of Christmas, but still enjoyed the spirit of the season. Kwanzaa was not a big holiday yet in the late 60's-early 70's, but if it had been I'm sure we would have discussed it to be inclusive. Inclusive to me means EVERYONE is included and ALL traditions are respected. Going to a generic "Happy Holidays" diminishes ALL perspectives on the season.
Do we have this much agita over Easter and Passover? If I recall, stores seem to use Easter and Passover pretty easily-at least the grocery stores use the proper names for both in their advertising.

 

[CJMickeyMouse]

I think it's funny that they think calling it a "Christmas" sale is going to affect spending. I guarantee if the prices are low enongh, believers and non-believers alike will flock to the store.

If there is a Hanukkah sale and the store has an item I need for a good price, I am there.

People just need to stop trying to find a reason to complain!!!

 

[LuvDuke]

I don't view it as an "attack" but I don't like it. When I was in grammar school a million years ago, we started singing Chanukah songs along with the Christmas songs. We were told that we were doing it so the kids in school that celebrated Chanukah didn't feel excluded. We were taught a little about the holiday so we understood the songs. We were also taught that some families did not celebrate the religious aspect of Christmas, but still enjoyed the spirit of the season. Kwanzaa was not a big holiday yet in the late 60's-early 70's, but if it had been I'm sure we would have discussed it to be inclusive. Inclusive to me means EVERYONE is included and ALL traditions are respected. Going to a generic "Happy Holidays" diminishes ALL perspectives on the season.
Do we have this much agita over Easter and Passover? If I recall, stores seem to use Easter and Passover pretty easily-at least the grocery stores use the proper names for both in their advertising.

Agita? You gave yourself away.

Quite honestly, I don't recall us having this much agita as we seem to have today. It seems to be "all agita, all the time".