Funny headline about women's dressing room incident

[luvmy3]

Re bolded: You do no have the luxury of assuming only women will be in the women's restroom. Why should fitting rooms be any different?

I certainly don't expect adult males in the woman's restroom, and yes I do have that luxury to expect that.

 

[maxiesmom]

Re bolded: You do no have the luxury of assuming only women will be in the women's restroom. Why should fitting rooms be any different?

But you should have that luxury. Just because people bend on letting people bring their young kids into the restroom doesn't mean they want to or should be expected to in fitting rooms.

Maybe the solution should be no opposite sex children in restrooms. That would fix the problem too, following your logic.

I don't know why people make this so hard or pretend to not get it. If the fitting room is gender specific than that gender is the only one who should be in them.

 

[Liberty Belle]

Re bolded: You do no have the luxury of assuming only women will be in the women's restroom. Why should fitting rooms be any different?

Are you talking about children or custodians?

 

[pixiefairy]

Speaking as a manager at a women's clothing store...we are NOT allowed to tell a man that he can't be in there. We've had men come in and sit inside the dressing room or even go into the dressing room with wife/girlfriend. We also have some transvestites that do drag shows that come in to try stuff on. I asked the first time I saw it and was told we aren't allowed to confront - that it's discrimination. If I see deviant behavior though...I will say something. Or call the police. We had a man come in and pick up our panties and sniff them while staring at a co-manager...it can get kind of scary at times. I have also had a customer and her husband complain to me and I explained that I cannot tell them they CAN'T be in there. The only thing they can see if they sit on the bench are feet, unless a half dressed woman comes out of the stall (which happens). I understand from a shopper's pov...but from the corporate stand point..that is what we are told to do.

 

[Magpie]

Doesn't anyone think there is a HUGE difference between a young boy, say 6 or under, going into a ladies room with his mother and a grown man going in there? Is the six year old likely to assault anyone? Have we learned nothing from the predator TV shows about men going after young girls?

Six and under is generally not controversial, but the thread people are referring to was about a mother bringing her 11yo son into the bathroom with her. And another poster mentioned a 13yo boy (though he's autistic). And yet another mentioned an elderly man who needed help with toileting.

I don't think anyone's suggesting a grown, capable man should just waltz into the ladies' bathroom. He might NEED to go in there if his small daughter gets herself stuck up on top of the disabled toilet, though. (I saw that once!) He might also have to go in there if it's his job to clean the room. I've had that happen to me - This guy knocks once, bellows "CLEANER!" and whoah, there he is with his bucket, before I even have a chance to turn around.

As for change room - the original topic of this thread - obviously it really depends on the type of change room, doesn't it?

Walking into an open room full of half-naked women is one thing. Waiting in an open shop, outside a closed door, with an armful of your wife's clothes, is another thing. Semi-private stalls, out of a direct line of sight of the store, with only a curtain or half-door, are somewhere in between, and it's probably a situation you have to judge on an individual basis.

I certainly never thought twice about having my husband there when I was in a tiny shop in P.E.I. last summer, and all there was by way of a change room was a cubicle with a half-curtain. My husband handed me stuff over the curtain rod. Heck, if I'd stood on my toes and peeked a little to the right, I could have seen the cash register!


P.S. In all my years of using public washrooms and change rooms, the only times I've ever seen anything I wish I hadn't seen - they were both women! Once I walked into a McDonald's bathroom and a woman was sitting there with the stall door WIDE open, doing her business! She laughed and pulled up her pants saying, "Oh honey, I didn't mean for you to see that!" (So why didn't she close the door??) The other time was this past weekend when shopping with my daughter. An old lady peeked out of the change room, didn't see the shop girl, and went waltzing out into the store to look for her in her old lady super-bra and panties!

 

[Planogirl]

I don't understand the lack of respect for privacy nowadays. It's fine if YOU don't mind men being in the ladies dressing room but others do. They have the right to that privacy in a dressing room designated for women. It's not for "women and some men" or "women who want to bring in men" or men pretending to be women or whatever - it's for women. And stores who are too cowardly to enforce this are the most pathetic of all.

 

[torinsmom]

I would be uncomfortable with a man in the women's fitting room. Most of the places I shop have the half doors, and tall men could see right over the doors. Or the door may not lock and another woman may open the door when I am undressed. I don't know why they can't just wait outside the fitting room. When I was younger, even my MOM waited outside the fitting room and I would come out for her to see me if I needed her to.

If you are a mom shopping with young boys, bring them in the women's fitting room. Dads should bring their daughters in the men's fitting room instead of going into the women's with them in my opinion. Once they are old enough to not want to go into the opposite sex fitting room, they should be able to dress on their own.

And another note......If you have young kids, please teach them not to look under the other room doors! I know they are just kids, but I really don't care to have them "peeking" at me when I am dressing!

Marsha

 

[maxiesmom]

Speaking as a manager at a women's clothing store...we are NOT allowed to tell a man that he can't be in there. We've had men come in and sit inside the dressing room or even go into the dressing room with wife/girlfriend. We also have some transvestites that do drag shows that come in to try stuff on. I asked the first time I saw it and was told we aren't allowed to confront - that it's discrimination. If I see deviant behavior though...I will say something. Or call the police. We had a man come in and pick up our panties and sniff them while staring at a co-manager...it can get kind of scary at times. I have also had a customer and her husband complain to me and I explained that I cannot tell them they CAN'T be in there. The only thing they can see if they sit on the bench are feet, unless a half dressed woman comes out of the stall (which happens). I understand from a shopper's pov...but from the corporate stand point..that is what we are told to do.

I would like to know where you work so I can make sure I don't shop at that store. That is just sad and wrong.

 

[cteddiesgirl]

Doesn't anyone think there is a HUGE difference between a young boy, say 6 or under, going into a ladies room with his mother and a grown man going in there? Is the six year old likely to assault anyone? Have we learned nothing from the predator TV shows about men going after young girls?

Precisely.
Grown men do not belong in the ladies dressing room.
Grown women do not belong in a men's dressing room.

Simple as that.

No this isn't the same debate, we are not talking about children in a dressing room for opposite sex, we are talking about adults being in a dressing room for the opposite sex.

Exactly. If the father wants to take his daughters shopping, then he can take them into the men's dressing room. If they're too old for that, then he needs to wait outside the ladies dressing room. If a mother takes her son shopping, then she takes him into the ladies dressing room. Again, if he's too old for that, then she needs to wait outside the men's dressing room.

But you should have that luxury. Just because people bend on letting people bring their young kids into the restroom doesn't mean they want to or should be expected to in fitting rooms.

Maybe the solution should be no opposite sex children in restrooms. That would fix the problem too, following your logic.

I don't know why people make this so hard or pretend to not get it. If the fitting room is gender specific than that gender is the only one who should be in them.

Again, the discussion is about an ADULT man in a women's dressing room. Not a child.

Speaking as a manager at a women's clothing store...we are NOT allowed to tell a man that he can't be in there. We've had men come in and sit inside the dressing room or even go into the dressing room with wife/girlfriend. We also have some transvestites that do drag shows that come in to try stuff on. I asked the first time I saw it and was told we aren't allowed to confront - that it's discrimination. If I see deviant behavior though...I will say something. Or call the police. We had a man come in and pick up our panties and sniff them while staring at a co-manager...it can get kind of scary at times. I have also had a customer and her husband complain to me and I explained that I cannot tell them they CAN'T be in there. The only thing they can see if they sit on the bench are feet, unless a half dressed woman comes out of the stall (which happens). I understand from a shopper's pov...but from the corporate stand point..that is what we are told to do.

That's just sad. I don't want any men, transvestite, father or whatever, in a women's dressing room with me. I would definitely say something to the manager and then to corporate. Then I would never shop there again if nothing was done.

A transvestite is still a man with men's parts. No matter what he's trying on, he should do it in the men's dressing room. A transvestite also doesn't mean he's gay. He could just be a perv trying to see other women or young girls.

 

[wvjules]

Precisely.
Grown men do not belong in the ladies dressing room.
Grown women do not belong in a men's dressing room.

Simple as that.


Exactly. If the father wants to take his daughters shopping, then she can take them into the men's dressing room. If they're too old for that, then he needs to wait outside the ladies dressing room. If a mother takes her son shopping, then she takes him into the ladies dressing room. Again, if he's too old for that, then she needs to wait outside the men's dressing room.

Which is it?

Grown men in ladies room - not ok?
Little girls in men's room - ok?

 

[maxiesmom]

Again, the discussion is about an ADULT man in a women's dressing room. Not a child.

I get that. I don't think the poster I was quoting did.

 

[NHdisneylover]

Precisely.
Grown men do not belong in the ladies dressing room.
Grown women do not belong in a men's dressing room.

Simple as that.



Exactly. If the father wants to take his daughters shopping, then he can take them into the men's dressing room. If they're too old for that, then he needs to wait outside the ladies dressing room. If a mother takes her son shopping, then she takes him into the ladies dressing room. Again, if he's too old for that, then she needs to wait outside the men's dressing room.



Again, the discussion is about an ADULT man in a women's dressing room. Not a child.



That's just sad. I don't want any men, transvestite, father or whatever, in a women's dressing room with me. I would definitely say something to the manager and then to corporate. Then I would never shop there again if nothing was done.

A transvestite is still a man with men's parts. No matter what he's trying on, he should do it in the men's dressing room. A transvestite also doesn't mean he's gay. He could just be a perv trying to see other women or young girls.

but what age is the cut off--when do they go from being young enough to accompany an opposite sex parent to old enough to be a problem to bring them in to the opposite sex side? Who gets to decide that?

 

[Liberty Belle]

Which is it?

Grown men in ladies room - not ok?
Little girls in men's room - ok?

How is that contradictory? I'm assuming she thinks it's ok for young children to be in the opposite gender's adult dressing room, but not for adults to be in the opposite gender's dressing room.

 

[torinsmom]

I would rather have a woman bring her young son in the women's dressing room than to have a man bring his daughter in there and vice versa. The ADULT needs to go into the appropriate dressing room. If a little boy looked into my room, I would be merely annoyed, but if a man did so, I would be M-A-D! Same for the bathroom; should a woman waltz into the men's room with her son, so he can use the bathroom?

I have never seen a man in the women's fitting room around where I live, thank goodness!

Marsha

 

[wvjules]

How is that contradictory? I'm assuming she thinks it's ok for young children to be in the opposite gender's adult dressing room, but not for adults to be in the opposite gender's dressing room.

I was just going with the male in male rooms; females in female rooms disregarding the grown part.

I still don't understand how it is acceptable for a 7 year old girl to be in the men's room but not ok for the grown man to be in the women's room with his daughter. Shouldn't the adult men have an expectation that their dressing room be gender specific, regardless of age? Same with boy's in women's room. Its either acceptable to mix sexes or its not.

 

[torinsmom]

It is not as likely that a young child will be a perv as it is that a grown man(or woman) is. Sorry, those are the facts of life. I don't want a full grown man in the bathroom where I am half naked and sometimes taking care of my personal needs. Little boys are different; the ones that should still be coming in the ladies room with mom are not going to get any erotic feeling from seeing a woman in that situation, should the door not work correctly or whatever.

I have NEVER seen a man in the women's room and I have never seen a woman go into the men's room. Moms and dads take their kids in their bathroom all the time, and I don't think its a problem.

Marsha

 

[Mickey's Minion]

What, I'm going to be uncomfortable washing my hands next to a man??? I don't understand why some people get soooo worked up about such trivial things.

Just curious - does your ex also accompany his daughters into the women's restroom?

 

[cteddiesgirl]

but what age is the cut off--when do they go from being young enough to accompany an opposite sex parent to old enough to be a problem to bring them in to the opposite sex side? Who gets to decide that?

The cut-off should be when the child can dress him/her self. Then they need to start using the appropriate room and the opposite sex parent can wait outside. If they have a problem with this, then get a person of the same sex as the child to go with you to help.

Although, I would be leery of little girls (unless really young) going into a men's restroom due to non private urinals.

 

[asta]

Which is it?

Grown men in ladies room - not ok?
Little girls in men's room - ok?

It is definitely not OK for a grown man to be in a ladies dressing room area or a ladies restroom. And personally, I would never take a girl of any age into a dressing area intended for males. But since you seem to be saying that it should not be a concern to be around strange males while a female is partially clothed then why should you have a problem with young girls around men changing clothes. This sounds like a double standard. It is OK for someone else to have to change clothes with an adult male hanging by the door but you don't want a young girl to be around men changing.

And by the way, neither of your situations is OK as far as I am concerned.

As far as the age thing goes, the pervert in the story in my original post was 20 years old. That age is not considered an adult in some instances so I don't think that you can say we shouldn't be concerned unless we are only dealing with an adult.

 

[DisneyNicole]

Yes, Disney should seperate the areas, so in one room the can decently change in the clothing, and then they can walk into another so that way their spouses can see them.

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