FP + What we know and what we want to know

[mousermerf]

It is certainly true that HP has increased attendance at US. During that time, however, it is my understanding that attendance at WDW and it's associated hotels has also increased. A great bunch of people who visit US also visit WDW. I bet that a considerably smaller percentage of WDW guests also go to US. (It should also be noted that Disney gets paid for people going to US given their ownership of Marvel.)

I think that we frequently get into a trap when we think that when US adds something big that it is bad for WDW. The reality of it is that anything that anyone does to bring people to Central Florida is good for WDW.

WDW's attendance was down last year by a large enough margin that Disney tried to obscure that fact from investors.

 

[mesaboy2]

And by that logic tickets belong to whoever and a park admission day is a park admission day and you can just give the last 5 days of a 10 day non-expiring ticket to anyone you like, right? There's no difference because an admit is an admit..?

A poor comparison. Your hypothetical costs WDW real and tangible money (due to ticket pricing structure), and transferring a FP does not.

I expect better from you.

 

[MOM POPPINS]

After reading the dining link someone posted about RFID, do you think they will have a family's meals on all the bracelets... I would hate to think that each bracelet has your own meals on it and your would have to checkout seperately????

 

[mom2mickeyfan]

And by that logic tickets belong to whoever and a park admission day is a park admission day and you can just give the last 5 days of a 10 day non-expiring ticket to anyone you like, right? There's no difference because an admit is an admit..?

Not totally true. I pay for my ticket. I do not pay for however many times I want to ride SM once I get into the park. If they charged the full rate for every day of that 5 day ticket then I would agree. But since they discount the days as you add them on, the I don't think comparing them to be the same thing.

 

[mousermerf]

And guests who visit multiple days do fewer attractions each subsequent day.. that's how they justified the lower admission price when they planned these tickets.

Doing more costs Disney REAL money. That's why you cant give the ticket to a new person who will act on day 5 the same as the Day 1 guest in terms of what they see/do in the park.

The same is true for FP - you're not supposed to hoarde them and give them out as you see fit. Your pass entitles you to the FP window and allotment that YOUR ticket allows you because it is base don projections for YOUR usage, not using other people's tickets.

Sidestepping the rules of the system - and by golly this IS a rule and not a hypothetical - you're costing Disney money by using their resources beyond what was allotted to you as well as costing them REAL MONEY by creating guest dissatisfaction for those who didn't get the FP you took.

Again, the reason things are being changed to stop this sort of behavior is very evident.

 

[jade1]

And less time spent in the park spending money.

Not for us-that's what we do now anyway-just end up with less incentive to get to the parks with no FP's at all.

But if that's the program they want we will keep US/IOA AM on the list. Again, we do that anyway-will just now have more incentive when we get back to hit the parks.

I think the calculation they made is overall-it will be easier to get even more folks down there with FP+ marketing.

 

[Cinderumbrella]

I really am curious, was there really a noticeable group of people gathering FPs and handing them to other people? (The "pixie dust fairies?") Or are you referring to a family of 4 pulling 4 FP's for Space Mountain even though only 2 were tall enough to ride it (or whatever) therefore that family "got" 2 rides?

 

[mom2rtk]

I really am curious, was there really a noticeable group of people gathering FPs and handing them to other people? (The "pixie dust fairies?") Or are you referring to a family of 4 pulling 4 FP's for Space Mountain even though only 2 were tall enough to ride it (or whatever) therefore that family "got" 2 rides?

The only example shared here to spur this discussion was a question about whether a mother could let her child ride with one of her FP slots.

If someone thinks that makes a person dishonest and devious, then that tells me a lot about their irrational sense of reasoning.

 

[mesaboy2]

And guests who visit multiple days do fewer attractions each subsequent day.. that's how they justified the lower admission price when they planned these tickets.

Doing more costs Disney REAL money. That's why you cant give the ticket to a new person who will act on day 5 the same as the Day 1 guest in terms of what they see/do in the park.

The same is true for FP - you're not supposed to hoarde them and give them out as you see fit. Your pass entitles you to the FP window and allotment that YOUR ticket allows you because it is base don projections for YOUR usage, not using other people's tickets.

Sidestepping the rules of the system - and by golly this IS a rule and not a hypothetical - you're costing Disney money by using their resources beyond what was allotted to you as well as costing them REAL MONEY by creating guest dissatisfaction for those who didn't get the FP you took.

Again, the reason things are being changed to stop this sort of behavior is very evident.

Still ridiculous. I've yet to see an intelligent or well articulated argument....

 

[WillAustin]

Again, the reason things are being changed to stop this sort of behavior is very evident.

I think you might be projecting some of your own opinions onto explaining why Disney does what they do.

 

[vacationer1954]

Not enough to make a smidge of difference.

I agree that FP+ won't discourage enough guests to make a smidge of difference.

I think you might be projecting some of your own opinions onto explaining why Disney does what they do.

Everyone is doing that.

 

[Cinderumbrella]

I think you might be projecting some of your own opinions onto explaining why Disney does what they do.

 

[mom2mickeyfan]

And guests who visit multiple days do fewer attractions each subsequent day.. that's how they justified the lower admission price when they planned these tickets.

Doing more costs Disney REAL money. That's why you cant give the ticket to a new person who will act on day 5 the same as the Day 1 guest in terms of what they see/do in the park.

The same is true for FP - you're not supposed to hoarde them and give them out as you see fit. Your pass entitles you to the FP window and allotment that YOUR ticket allows you because it is base don projections for YOUR usage, not using other people's tickets.

Sidestepping the rules of the system - and by golly this IS a rule and not a hypothetical - you're costing Disney money by using their resources beyond what was allotted to you as well as costing them REAL MONEY by creating guest dissatisfaction for those who didn't get the FP you took.

Again, the reason things are being changed to stop this sort of behavior is very evident.

I'm not taking anything from anyone by giving my FP to Splash Mountain to my son. At 9 am when I come into the park, my ticket is allowed one FP that can not be used until the return time. That isn't hording passes or abusing the system. I get my FP and return during my return time. Disney is holding a seat for that pass. Who sits in that seat should make no difference. By getting that FP for Splash, I was unable to get one for PP or Buzz or Space Mountain. There was an extra pass for one of the other rides that I didn't get with my ticket. I understand there may have been some abusing going one by people collecting them all day and using them all at once at the end of the day. But Disney has already put a stop to that. I just hard to believe that Disney is doing all this because moms out there are letting their child ride in their place because it their favorite ride.

So again I ask, when and if the system goes to only FP+, will I be able to give my son my headliner FP so that he may ride his favorite ride again?

 

[WillAustin]

Everyone is doing that.

Yes, but he's claiming to have inside information too.

 

[mom2mickeyfan]

The only example shared here to spur this discussion was a question about whether a mother could let her child ride with one of her FP slots.

If someone thinks that makes a person dishonest and devious, then that tells me a lot about their irrational sense of reasoning.

Thank you! I just don't understand how a mom sitting on a bench and doing nothing or SHOPPING and spending money, while their child rides on the mom's FP is being dishonest and that Disney would be upset about such practices!

 

[UNCFanatik]

I find this definition of "abuse" beyond ridiculous. I know what it says, and it's still beyond ridiculous.

(I get this is likely not your view, but that you are just citing a PP.)

The ticket plainly states its non-transferable on the back of it. To use it any other fashion is abuse. You dont have to agree with it but it is still abuse.

Disney doesnt need a secondary distribution system of their FPs. Just like they never needed secondary distribution of CRT ressies by "angels" years ago.

When people used FPs in this manner it prevented other people from getting FPs at rides like TSMM and Soaring all because someone wanted to spread some "pixie dust"

I understand more the people who pulled some FPs and found they didnt need them and then gave them away. Still technically against the rules but they didnt pull the FP with the expressed purpose of giving it away later in the day because they wanted to get some self satisfaction out of spreading "Disney Magic"

 

[mom2rtk]

Under the new system, you will be limited to sharing your FP with anyone you are comfortable handing your magic band to. Presumably with your park tickets, resort room key and credit card info attached.

I think that effectively eliminates any real abuse.

Any other "abuse" really is just hogwash.

 

[UNCFanatik]

I think you might be projecting some of your own opinions onto explaining why Disney does what they do.

Too funny....and you arent projecting your concerns at all?

hmmm......

 

[mousermerf]

The ticket plainly states its non-transferable on the back of it. To use it any other fashion is abuse. You dont have to agree with it but it is still abuse.

Disney doesnt need a secondary distribution system of their FPs. Just like they never needed secondary distribution of CRT ressies by "angels" years ago.

When people used FPs in this manner it prevented other people from getting FPs at rides like TSMM and Soaring all because someone wanted to spread some "pixie dust"

I understand more the people who pulled some FPs and found they didnt need them and then gave them away. Still technically against the rules but they didnt pull the FP with the expressed purpose of giving it away later in the day because they wanted to get some self satisfaction out of spreading "Disney Magic"

Also dining, like with the "angels" (which I sat through the meetings where Disney execs essentially referred to those people as being the scum of the earth in their eyes - "we must stop them somehow" was the sentiment) there were the people "who weren't hurting anyone else" by making dining reservations for 3 different restaurants for each dining period and then just going to the one they wanted.

Disney put a stop to that too, it had always been against the policy, but it took the online reservation system which simply wont allow it to be done in order for the problem to be stopped.

 

[meowmarie]

Sidestepping the rules of the system - and by golly this IS a rule and not a hypothetical - you're costing Disney money by using their resources beyond what was allotted to you as well as costing them REAL MONEY by creating guest dissatisfaction for those who didn't get the FP you took.

Again, the reason things are being changed to stop this sort of behavior is very evident.

I agree but storing the FP's to the band alone would solve the issue of people handing them out, and coming after the time. If the rumored limits hold true (3 FP's per park per day, 1 "big ticket") and they go to "surprise" fastpasses or whatever I just don't get it. The bad behavior is not related to the number of times you actually ride the same ride.