FP + What we know and what we want to know

[WillAustin]

Too funny....and you arent projecting your concerns at all?

hmmm......

It's funny you see it that way.

When someone claiming inside information colors it with their opinion, it diminishes the credibility of the information in my eyes. I certainly don't claim to have any inside knowledge of why any changes are being made. I definitely have an opinion on whether or not they will be good changes for my family.

 

[UNCFanatik]

Still ridiculous. I've yet to see an intelligent or well articulated argument....

I do not know what more you expect.

It is written on the ticket. Non-transferable. Mousemerf explained how other people were being affected by FPs being collected with the expressed purpose of redistribution.

Of course, if the same people were selling their FPs in the past, you would be all over the non-transferable verbiage on the ticket.

 

[mom2mickeyfan]

The ticket plainly states its non-transferable on the back of it. To use it any other fashion is abuse. You dont have to agree with it but it is still abuse.

Disney doesnt need a secondary distribution system of their FPs. Just like they never needed secondary distribution of CRT ressies by "angels" years ago.

When people used FPs in this manner it prevented other people from getting FPs at rides like TSMM and Soaring all because someone wanted to spread some "pixie dust"

I understand more the people who pulled some FPs and found they didnt need them and then gave them away. Still technically against the rules but they didnt pull the FP with the expressed purpose of giving it away later in the day because they wanted to get some self satisfaction out of spreading "Disney Magic"

Were there really enough people pulling FPs for TSMM and Soaring to give away that it is causing Disney to change the FP system. And where are all those people when I was at DW?? After 7 trips I've never seen or received any of these pixie dust FPs. We have received FPs from a CM while standing in front of the FP machine deciding if we were going to get one that ride or another one.

 

[UNCFanatik]

It's funny you see it that way.

When someone claiming inside information colors it with their opinion, it diminishes the credibility of the information in my eyes. I certainly don't claim to have any inside knowledge of why any changes are being made. I definitely have an opinion on whether or not they will be good changes for my family.

But yet you and the other "gloom and doom" FP+ predictors have zero problems projecting your concerns on the general WDW guest population at to why this whole thing will fail.

 

[Disneygirl 792]

double post

 

[UNCFanatik]

Were there really enough people pulling FPs for TSMM and Soaring to give away that it is causing Disney to change the FP system. And where are all those people when I was at DW?? After 7 trips I've never seen or received any of these pixie dust FPs. We have received FPs from a CM while standing in front of the FP machine deciding if we were going to get one that ride or another one.

I can not remember who on this thread but someone asked for examples of FP abuse so I gave them a few examples.

The amount of people doing this doesnt mitigate the fact that it was still abusing the system and there was some amount of people that were affected.

It could have been one of many factors that went into Disney's decision making, but I certainly wouldnt say its the sole cause.

 

[mom2mickeyfan]

I do not know what more you expect.

It is written on the ticket. Non-transferable. Mousemerf explained how other people were being affected by FPs being collected with the expressed purpose of redistribution.

Of course, if the same people were selling their FPs in the past, you would be all over the non-transferable verbiage on the ticket.

I'm more likely to think that if those people wanted to spend $5, $10 or $15 more for a FP instead of getting there for RD then that is their money. A FP is a FP. If it for a vaild ticket and used at the right time, I'm not that worried about who pulled it. If all this was going on, I still never had any problems being there at RD, staying ALL day and riding most everything my family wanted to do without waiting more than 30 or 35 minutes. I never pulled a FP when I was suppose to except I guess to give one to my son and always returned during our appointed time. This was not abuse.

 

[mousermerf]

I'm more likely to think that if those people wanted to spend $5, $10 or $15 more for a FP instead of getting there for RD then that is their money. A FP is a FP. If it for a vaild ticket and used at the right time, I'm not that worried about who pulled it. If all this was going on, I still never had any problems being there at RD, staying ALL day and riding most everything my family wanted to do without waiting more than 30 or 35 minutes. I never pulled a FP when I was suppose to except I guess to give one to my son and always returned during our appointed time. This was not abuse.

Yes it was.

 

[g-dad66]

And guests who visit multiple days do fewer attractions each subsequent day.. that's how they justified the lower admission price when they planned these tickets.

Doing more costs Disney REAL money. That's why you cant give the ticket to a new person who will act on day 5 the same as the Day 1 guest in terms of what they see/do in the park.

Hmmm... I always thought the reason for the cheaper ticket price after Day 4 was simply to entice people so stay additional days (since 4 days is about as long was many people would plan to stay if they also need 2 days for travel).

That would mean extra days of spending on WDW food and souvenirs (and lodging, if staying at a Disney resort).

I didn't realize that I was expected to spend more on food and lodging on Day 5 than another person would spend on Day 1. (Souvenirs, maybe, I guess....)

Disclaimer: No inside knowlege. Pure speculation.

 

[mousermerf]

Hmmm... I always thought the reason for the cheaper ticket price after Day 4 was simply to entice people so stay additional days (since 4 days is about as long was many people would plan to stay if they also need 2 days for travel).

That would mean extra days of spending on WDW food and souvenirs (and lodging, if staying at a Disney resort).

I didn't realize that I was expected to spend more on food and lodging on Day 5 than another person would spend on Day 1. (Souvenirs, maybe, I guess....)

Disclaimer: No inside knowlege. Pure speculation.

Spend more on food.lodging than if you had a 4 day ticket while using less resources of a person on Day 1. Yes, that's exactly the reason they made it.

 

[mom2rtk]

Yes it was.

Then I guess that makes it so.

That opinion actually tells me more about you than about the PP (the one wanting to give her son her FP slot).

 

[WillAustin]

But yet you and the other "gloom and doom" FP+ predictors have zero problems projecting your concerns on the general WDW guest population at to why this whole thing will fail.

Actually, no, I've said if they limit it to 3 FP+s per day, it will be a net negative for our family. Yes, that sucks for us.

I've never said it will fail, and have even said it's probably a better option for the people who didn't use FP before. Again, it sucks for us if it is what it appears to be. This is a discussion forum. I like discussing the possibilities. We have a lot of money on the line for upcoming trips and I'm a Disney stockholder, and probably one of the biggest Disney addicts and proponents you'll ever see. The net effect for us, specifically, is really important in our planning.

 

[UNCFanatik]

I'm more likely to think that if those people wanted to spend $5, $10 or $15 more for a FP instead of getting there for RD then that is their money. A FP is a FP. If it for a vaild ticket and used at the right time, I'm not that worried about who pulled it. If all this was going on, I still never had any problems being there at RD, staying ALL day and riding most everything my family wanted to do without waiting more than 30 or 35 minutes. I never pulled a FP when I was suppose to except I guess to give one to my son and always returned during our appointed time. This was not abuse.

Just to follow your logic, you would condone the selling of FPs in the past?

Do think selling FPs is abuse of the FP system because there is a market for it with people willing to pay for FPs?

Again, the ticket says non-transferable. One of the definitions of abuse is:

"The improper use of something"

Using that definition it is abuse. But of course you may have a different definition or threshold on what you consider abuse.

 

[mousermerf]

Then I guess that makes it so.

That opinion actually tells me more about you than about the PP (the one wanting to give her son her FP slot).

So doing something blatantly against the provided rules is not an abuse?

 

[UNCFanatik]

Actually, no, I've said if they limit it to 3 FP+s per day, it will be a net negative for our family. Yes, that sucks for us.

I've never said it will fail, and have even said it's probably a better option for the people who didn't use FP before. Again, it sucks for us if it is what it appears to be. This is a discussion forum. I like discussing the possibilities. We have a lot of money on the line for upcoming trips and I'm a Disney stockholder, and probably one of the biggest Disney addicts and proponents you'll ever see. The net effect for us, specifically, is really important in our planning.

My apologies then if I unfairly lumped you into that group.

 

[GreenCntryGirl]

Also dining, like with the "angels" (which I sat through the meetings where Disney execs essentially referred to those people as being the scum of the earth in their eyes - "we must stop them somehow" was the sentiment) there were the people "who weren't hurting anyone else" by making dining reservations for 3 different restaurants for each dining period and then just going to the one they wanted.

Disney put a stop to that too, it had always been against the policy, but it took the online reservation system which simply wont allow it to be done in order for the problem to be stopped.

That "angel" thing was a nightmare.

 

[doconeill]

Also dining, like with the "angels" (which I sat through the meetings where Disney execs essentially referred to those people as being the scum of the earth in their eyes - "we must stop them somehow" was the sentiment) there were the people "who weren't hurting anyone else" by making dining reservations for 3 different restaurants for each dining period and then just going to the one they wanted.

Disney put a stop to that too, it had always been against the policy, but it took the online reservation system which simply wont allow it to be done in order for the problem to be stopped.

So, wait a second...by this statement, are you in fact admitting that you are a manager or executive with Disney? Seems unlikely you'd be in such a meeting otherwise...

Anyways, I don't think anyone here claims that booking multiple simultaneous ADRs wasn't abuse...why Disney couldn't deal with it earlier just shows their disdain for the very technology they are now hoping changes their guest demographic...

 

[mom2mickeyfan]

But yet you and the other "gloom and doom" FP+ predictors have zero problems projecting your concerns on the general WDW guest population at to why this whole thing will fail.

I guess the feeling I am having...the "gloom and doom" Is that I have been planning our trip since we came home from Disney last summer and not knowing how all of this will affect our touring puts kind of a pit in my stomach. We have had the best of times at Disney and it has been worth every penny. Having so many unknowns while it looks like Disney if moving forward with all of this quickly is leading to these feelings. It is just hard to be positive about something that is changing that has been working great for you in the past. When in the past I have only been limited by the amount of time the park was open and time I was willing to spend in that park, it leave a bad taste in my mouth to hear that Disney is going to limit us no matter what I do.

 

[mousermerf]

So, wait a second...by this statement, are you in fact admitting that you are a manager or executive with Disney? Seems unlikely you'd be in such a meeting otherwise...

Anyways, I don't think anyone here claims that booking multiple simultaneous ADRs wasn't abuse...why Disney couldn't deal with it earlier just shows their disdain for the very technology they are now hoping changes their guest demographic...

I have worked for Disney - haven't done so in years. I maintain cordial relations with many people who I worked with.

 

[SaraJayne]

Ok so if we were to go to Hollywood Studios and get (1)FP+ for Rockin Rollercoaster, (1)FP+ for Star Tours then leave and go to Epcot and get (1) FP+ for Test Track would we still have (1) FP+ left for Hollywood Studios and (2) FP+left for Epcot later on?

Sorry just a smidge confused

All FP+ can only be used in the same park.