FP + What we know and what we want to know

[mom2mickeyfan]

Ok so if we were to go to Hollywood Studios and get (1)FP+ for Rockin Rollercoaster, (1)FP+ for Star Tours then leave and go to Epcot and get (1) FP+ for Test Track would we still have (1) FP+ left for Hollywood Studios and (2) FP+left for Epcot later on?

Sorry just a smidge confused

One of things we know for sure it is you can only use FP+ for one park per day. If you hop, you will be unable to get any FP+'s at your new park.

 

[meowmarie]

Anyone see the article about "How MyMagic+ Will Affect Dining" on the food blog? It's mostly stuff we know or think we know, just interesting to see their take. Aren't you glad you'll be saving money and time on lunch by being able to eat breakfast later now?! lol

http://www.disneyfoodblog.com/2013/01/16/how-mymagic-will-affect-disney-dining/

 

[Cinderumbrella]

I do understand, I am not trying to be rude or tell you that your feeling are not important I am just trying to give you a little comfort in the fact that nothing is definate yet. I really hope that you have a magic trip and that everything stays the same for you.

And thank you very much for understanding the spirit in which my post was intended!! Enjoy your trip as well!

 

[MOM POPPINS]

More RFID machines being installed at Magic Kingom and Epcot, pictures in link!

PHOTOS - MyMagic+ RFID turnstile construction underway at all 4 parks Jan 18, 2013 | 11:25am EST

After the initial conversion of a small section of the traditional turnstiles, Disney is now moving on to converting more turnstiles to the new RFID MyMagic+ turnstiles. All four parks now have construction walls up and once these phase is complete, around half of all the turnstiles will be using the new RFID touch entry system. Head to the photos below for a look at the work ongoing at the Magic Kingdom and Epcot.

http://www.wdwmagic.com/other/mymagi...ll-4-parks.htm

 

[Cinderumbrella]

Anyone see the article about "How MyMagic+ Will Affect Dining" on the food blog? It's mostly stuff we know or think we know, just interesting to see their take. Aren't you glad you'll be saving money and time on lunch by being able to eat breakfast later now?! lol

http://www.disneyfoodblog.com/2013/01/16/how-mymagic-will-affect-disney-dining/

I did read that yesterday and had a chuckle. I very much love her "its all about the food" attitude and that article and her spin on it made me smile.

 

[gwmort]

One of things we know for sure it is you can only use FP+ for one park per day. If you hop, you will be unable to get any FP+'s at your new park.

We don't know that. The tidbit you are referring to is we can only pre-book 3 fp+'s in advance at one park per day.

You are assuming there will be no additional fp+ available without prebooking for day-of guests in addition to the pre-booked ones. That assumption may or may not be correct, no one knows.

It is possible that the system will allow you to pre-book 3 fp+s in one park but add additional ones in multiple parks as you move about.

 

[bigAWL]

What are these great FP abuses?? I only used FP like Disney told me to. I came at RD, pulled a FP, rode a ride and then either pulled another FP (if my time was open), got in another SB like or rode the ride I had a FP for. How is that abuse?? You can only pull a FP when Disney allowed it and now you can only ride during your alloted time. If they wanted me to pull less FP's then make it longer window before I can get another one. But one day we spent 16 hours in MK and to ask me to do that with only 3 or 4 FPs may be too much to ask. We would be leaving the park early and not spending anymore money inside the park. But I know Disney won't miss us or our money.

I believe the "abuse" that came up was the use of FPs by someone other than the holder of the ticket used to redeem it, ie. sharing FPs among friends and family. The back of the FP states, "Nontransferable." Though other than that word in fine print on the back of each FP, I'm not aware of Disney ever emphasizing that point to anyone.

Another common "abuse" might be the use of a FP after it's time window was expired. Though that one was almost universally overlooked by CMs until recently.

EDIT: Wow, I didn't realize I was that far behind all of a sudden. Sorry.

 

[cheesemouse]

I've been reading this thread since it started and have had mixed thoughts about the new FP+. I think it really boils down to your own personal situation as to whether the new system will be better or worse.

At first, I thought it would be worse for my family. We usually are at RD, tour hard in the AM, go back to the hotel for a nap in the afternoon, and return for dinner or rides/entertainment in the evening. We easily use 3 FP per day and often more. BUT, after much thought, I've come to the conclusion that it would indeed benefit my family on our next trip (March 10-16) should it be in place. And here's why...

For the first time ever, we are visiting so that my DH can attend a conference for 3 days at the CR. That means that yours truly will have all 3 kids (1, 4, and 7) at the parks by myself during the day. No small feat. I will not be able to take the older kids on the big rides until the evening, when my DH is around for someone to stay with the baby. So my plan at the moment is to only go to MK and HS. The kids and I will get there for RD and ride rides that are family friendly and that we can all ride. This pretty much means none of the headliners. We will do things like Peter Pan, ETWB, Winnie the Pooh right away before crowds build. Then we'll ride things that don't have much of a line any time. We'll break for a nap after lunch and then return in the evening with my DH. Now, showing up at 6pm and hoping to ride the mountain rides with the older two will be a challenge. FP may or may not be available and SB will be long.

That's where FP+ can help me. It would be great to be able to book 1 or possibly 2 mountain FP+ for the evening when I KNOW that's the only time we will be able to ride. Add in a Parade FP+ so I don't have to sit on a curb with a squirmy 1 year old for 60+ minutes, and they have just made my day. Since we will only be doing 2 parks over the course of 6 days, we would still be able to FP+ all of the mountain rides over the 6 day span. And I truly wouldn't mind the 2nd or 3rd FP+ being a second tier ride such as Jungle Cruise, Buzz or Haunted Mansion or a parade, etc becasue those are things we can ALL ride in the evening. FP+ would ease my worries of not being able to fit everything in during the evening.

I really hope it's up and running soon and that I can pre-book FP+ before I leave. I'll be following this thread for any and all new info.

Again, I realize our upcoming situation is more unique and even unique to OUR own normal touring style. But for this particular trip, it would be such a benefit.

 

[mom2rtk]

Umm.. no? That's not how a privilege even works in the first place..

But to rant about how things are being ruined by creating rules to stop abuse and to imply people weren't gaming the system beyond its intended use (FP is assigned to a person, not to whoever wants to use it that you happen to know) is just getting silly.

And immediately during discussion it's "How can I game the system beyond the intended use to benefit myself by doing things that are dishonest and deceptive?"

And people at the same time are posting "I don't see why Disney would change things, I don't understand why..."

Well the WHY is obvious.

Well, I'm pretty dense.

So...... just for the record. Why don't you specify for us how people were actually gaming the system. Just what dishonest an deceptive things were they doing?

All this "cloak and daggar" innuendo is getting old.

 

[mesaboy2]

I believe the "abuse" that came up was the use of FPs by someone other than the holder of the ticket used to redeem it, ie. sharing FPs among friends and family. The back of the FP states, "Nontransferable." Though other than that word in fine print on the back of each FP, I'm not aware of Disney ever emphasizing that point to anyone.

Another common "abuse" might be the use of a FP after it's time window was expired. Though that one was almost universally overlooked by CMs until recently.

I find this definition of "abuse" beyond ridiculous. I know what it says, and it's still beyond ridiculous.

(I get this is likely not your view, but that you are just citing a PP.)

 

[jade1]

But some of those have been fixed by enforcing the return time and others could have been addressed within the system the way it was. Just make the return to use my FP longer and a longer window until I can get another pass. That would have brought down the number of FPs I can get in a day. And it would be easier to handle that Disney telling me I can only have 3 or 4 a day no matter what time I get there or how long I stay. We get there and RD and most all days are there when they close the park. So someone that comes in for only a few hours...and spends less money because of it, if that is what this is about...get the same amount of FP's as my family that spends our whole day there. It just really doesn't seem like the best way to handle the "problems" there seems to be with the current system.

I think they could, but technology allowed a new approach to marketing IMO.

With 4 Million babies born each year (just in USA) there are always new targets for saying now schedule 3 attractions per person per day of your trip. If you don't like your choices-simply cancel and put the $5,000 in savings. But to me a lot of "unknown" risk is removed with the new system.

I know my kids are older and want to sleep in often-but they will fish an AM and maybe golf an AM-with the afternoon or evening planned with FP+ at a park. Also add in the US/IOA day as well-with FP+ that night back at WDW.

 

[mom2rtk]

Don't forget all the added experience fluff they are covering it with.

And that pretty pink bracelet covered in pixiedust!

 

[dadddio]

I've tried reading but I'm still confused. I don't think I want to do the FP+ at all even though we will be staying on site. I am looking to splitting more of my vacation at US. I spent my first trip there in November 2012 and if WDW is going to end up limiting FP on the bigger rides and if I don't use the FP+ system then others will have either a separate line or my regular FP line will have a longer wait then I may cut our days at WDW short. I like to make my decisions based on how the day is going, not on a regimented pre-plan. I hate the Dining Plan because I find it really limiting having to be somewhere at a particular time. My kids are older now and they don't want to see characters, so the FP+ plan is not that great for us.

The bolded bit confuses me. How does the existence of FP+ increase the wait time in the FP return line? Logically, it seems that this line will be exactly the same and that the regular line may be lessened.

 

[vacationer1954]

If FP+ discourages guests from visiting Disney as some earlier messages said then there will be less wait time even on the FP return line.

 

[mom2mickeyfan]

I believe the "abuse" that came up was the use of FPs by someone other than the holder of the ticket used to redeem it, ie. sharing FPs among friends and family. The back of the FP states, "Nontransferable." Though other than that word in fine print on the back of each FP, I'm not aware of Disney ever emphasizing that point to anyone.

I find this definition of "abuse" beyond ridiculous. I know what it says, and it's still beyond ridiculous.

I agree. A seat is a seat! When I give my son my FP for SM, I am unable to get another FP and take a seat on another ride so I'm not getting anything more than anyone else. And why does Disney care if it is my rear end or my sons that is sitting in that seat!! Granted his is smaller than mine but they still aren't losing a seat on that ride because my son is riding it instead of me!

 

[mom2mickeyfan]

I think they could, but technology allowed a new approach to marketing IMO.

With 4 Million babies born each year (just in USA) there are always new targets for saying now schedule 3 attractions per person per day of your trip. If you don't like your choices-simply cancel and put the $5,000 in savings. But to me a lot of "unknown" risk is removed with the new system.

I know my kids are older and want to sleep in often-but they will fish an AM and maybe golf an AM-with the afternoon or evening planned with FP+ at a park. Also add in the US/IOA day as well-with FP+ that night back at WDW.

And less time spent in the park spending money.

 

[mesaboy2]

If FP+ discourages guests from visiting Disney as some earlier messages said then there will be less wait time even on the FP return line.

Not enough to make a smidge of difference.

 

[MickeyMinnieMom]

We know a great deal since this thread was started. The terms and conditions are very clear. The comments from Nick Franklin and the information on the wdw Q&A is pretty clear. We know quite a bit of the motive from the Computerworld article and the NYtimes. We know far more than nothing.

OK - NEXT TO nothing. We still know very little -- certainly not enough to justify some of the way-out-there conclusions that some are drawing. And Disney can obviously change T&C and ANYTHING ELSE about the new system at any time. They are very early in their communications about this.

I very much appreciate the initiative to put this thread together. As of right now, though, with the little bit of OFFICIAL info available, the 99 pages here are probably about 99% conjecture! That's fine for now, obviously. But I find the doomsday stuff by some to be silly at this stage given how little we actually know for sure.

 

[mousermerf]

I agree. A seat is a seat! When I give my son my FP for SM, I am unable to get another FP and take a seat on another ride so I'm not getting anything more than anyone else. And why does Disney care if it is my rear end or my sons that is sitting in that seat!! Granted his is smaller than mine but they still aren't losing a seat on that ride because my son is riding it instead of me!

And by that logic tickets belong to whoever and a park admission day is a park admission day and you can just give the last 5 days of a 10 day non-expiring ticket to anyone you like, right? There's no difference because an admit is an admit..?

 

[dadddio]

Happy guest = increase bottom line.
Unhappy guest go else where.

What is interesting is that we can see how building Harry Potter increased attendence at Universal. Will this do the same for Disney or will more people decide to go stay onsite at Universal and get the front of the line pass.

It is certainly true that HP has increased attendance at US. During that time, however, it is my understanding that attendance at WDW and it's associated hotels has also increased. A great bunch of people who visit US also visit WDW. I bet that a considerably smaller percentage of WDW guests also go to US. (It should also be noted that Disney gets paid for people going to US given their ownership of Marvel.)

I think that we frequently get into a trap when we think that when US adds something big that it is bad for WDW. The reality of it is that anything that anyone does to bring people to Central Florida is good for WDW.