FP+ Details Are Out!

[mom2rtk]

In last round of tests when I was there, You got to pick 1 ride, System selected the remaining 2 'attractions' for you, They were also clustered into a 5 hour window. Your choices were Morning, Afternoon and Evening

Just curious when you did your test. I must be having a brain blip, but I just don't remember a test where you picked one and the system chose the other 2. I remember the tiered test, but not this one.

The bolding is mine. This was stated earlier in this thread, but no one has mentioned it. It is directly contrary to what was later reported in this thread about there not being same day FP's available.

Even if Tom Staggs comes out and says there will indeed be same day fastpasses, that still doesn't mean you will be able to get more than 3 total slots for the day. Same day will have to be there in some form for the poor schlubs who walk up and buy a ticket and come into the park unaware of this new system.

 

[Shaden]

The bolding is mine. This was stated earlier in this thread, but no one has mentioned it. It is directly contrary to what was later reported in this thread about there not being same day FP's available.

It sounds like Disney isn't quite sure, or the guest communications cast members are un/mis-informed... but to be honest, I just can't see that Disney would so totally alienate their day guests (who make up a not insignificant portion of their total numbers, I believe) by doing away with same day FP altogether. I can see the paper version/current system going away and being replaced by the digital/virtual system, but if even I can see that totally doing away with same day FP's would be foolish, I have faith that Disney is well aware of this as well.

"In regards to some of the concerns he did say that there will be same day FP available and that right now they don't predict FP will book up for an entire day since many will not pre-book. There will also be limits on AP holders that prevent them from simply booking everyday. Park Hopping is also being considered in the allocation process but for now it is limited to 3 per day in 1 park. "

The problem in this is, what does that mean !?!?!? Same day booking, but note the underline.

Its not that it couldn't, its that they don't think everyone will pre-book, but I am pretty sure that if Disney rolls this out they way they like to, people are going to prebook, especially for the headliners/majors.

What does same day availability mean ? Does that mean you can get your FP to Peter Pan, Small world and Stitch on the Same day ? Or does that mean they think there will be 7DMT, Splash and Space Mnt. available on same day ?

I would think it means the former, not the latter.

 

[rastuso]

I'm sure there will be same day FP+. They'll never run out of FP+ for parade viewing, or Country Bears, or other low end stuff. Hell, how many FP+ can they hand out for Philharmagic? Last time I was there, they were giving them away for free as "Bonus FP!". I'm sure they have 180,000 FP+ for MK, and 150,000 FP+ for the other parks to meet even peak demands. Trouble is, 60% of those FP+s simply aren't desired, or currently needed.

And I think they HAVE to hold some E ticket FP+s back. If not, they should charge a premium for rooms booked 70 days in advance, and then start discounting them as FP+ for E tickets disappear, and the allure of staying dwindles. Who would pay huge bucks for onsite rooms if the FP+s were all for C/D ticket rides?

And they'll have massively irate day guests that enter the park only to find no mountain FP+s available. As folks say, the more they advertise this perk, the more reason they must have good FP+s available later on.

My guess is your average DISer will be checking the website daily to see if new FP+s have showed up. I wonder if Disney has planned for all this massive traffic every day that they are about to add. and hopefully they've talked to teh cell providers for the massive uptick in data usage as people in teh park are CONSTANTLY looking for new FP+s.

Jason

 

[mom2mickeyfan]

I'm sure there will be same day FP+. They'll never run out of FP+ for parade viewing, or Country Bears, or other low end stuff. Hell, how many FP+ can they hand out for Philharmagic? Last time I was there, they were giving them away for free as "Bonus FP!". I'm sure they have 180,000 FP+ for MK, and 150,000 FP+ for the other parks to meet even peak demands. Trouble is, 60% of those FP+s simply aren't desired, or currently needed.

And I think they HAVE to hold some E ticket FP+s back. If not, they should charge a premium for rooms booked 70 days in advance, and then start discounting them as FP+ for E tickets disappear, and the allure of staying dwindles. Who would pay huge bucks for onsite rooms if the FP+s were all for C/D ticket rides?

And they'll have massively irate day guests that enter the park only to find no mountain FP+s available. As folks say, the more they advertise this perk, the more reason they must have good FP+s available later on.

My guess is your average DISer will be checking the website daily to see if new FP+s have showed up. I wonder if Disney has planned for all this massive traffic every day that they are about to add. and hopefully they've talked to teh cell providers for the massive uptick in data usage as people in teh park are CONSTANTLY looking for new FP+s.
Jason

If your phone will work. We have just standard (not smart phones) cell phones and went out to buy a new tablet with the idea of using the tablet at Disney. There were many lines we were waiting in that the phones and tablet would not work AT ALL!! No text or calls would go through and NO wifi at all!! Plus the new Disney app that I am going to need to do all of this would not even download to your NEW Samsung Galaxy Tab!! We have been unable to find out the reason that the Disney app is not compatible with this tablet.

So the idea that if you end up in a line/ride that is longer than you thought and you want to change your FP+ is a great idea! Its another when it doesn't work. Shouldn't Disney get the wifi and app problems worked out before throwing it out to all of us. Who know....maybe they will.

 

[Redcon1]

In last round of tests when I was there, You got to pick 1 ride, System selected the remaining 2 'attractions' for you, They were also clustered into a 5 hour window. Your choices were Morning, Afternoon and Evening

Disney will be seeing a lot less of our family after this system goes into place, Like the DVC resorts but definitely will be limiting park visits to 2-3 days out of 10 as opposed to current 4-7 days,

I'm a engineer with customer responsibilities as such tied to smartphone and hard schedule dates/times. We visit Disney to 'check out from reality' this new system is way too much like work.

I think Disney is about to do their version of 'New Coke' or Kodak's meltdown
as they've created a system only someone with OCD can could love.

Reminds me of a family I saw a few visits ago at Disney they all had color coded laminated cards with their touring plans on them in Gantt chart style. Saw them a few times and thie kids looked more miserable each time we saw them.

Disney used to be about letting your kid ride dumbo 10 times if that's what they really wanted to do. Not any more sigh...


This could have been wonderful, Go up tag FP machine with your RFID media get sent a text message or paper ticket for those without phones and be able to modify your FP somehow Kiosk/Phone/Computer/CM,

It would have been greener as a LOT of tickets would never be printed or require disposal and you could 'trade' available FP slots with other guests who's plans changed

Instead we get a system designed by a pasty IT guy with OCD which suits IT and no one else.

This is what I've been thinking: conceived and designed by someone (or someones) who will try to do something, anything to justify keeping their jobs. Yet makes very little sense to those who actually use the system. Like web designers who take a perfectly functional easy-to-use website and change it up to make things more "pretty" or supposedly more "user-friendly".

I'm just hoping they don't add bathrooms as choices to the FP+ experience.

 

[squirrel4569]

Instead we get a system designed by a pasty IT guy with OCD which suits IT and no one else.

Hey now! I'm not pasty!

 

[BuckeyeBama]

I'm sure there will be same day FP+. They'll never run out of FP+ for parade viewing, or Country Bears, or other low end stuff. Hell, how many FP+ can they hand out for Philharmagic? Last time I was there, they were giving them away for free as "Bonus FP!". I'm sure they have 180,000 FP+ for MK, and 150,000 FP+ for the other parks to meet even peak demands. Trouble is, 60% of those FP+s simply aren't desired, or currently needed...

All too true.

The harsh reality - the rides that require FPs now will run out of FP+ very early on in the 60 day window. For those who cannot or will not book rides this far in advance, you will be told that there are plenty of FP+ still available for you. This is not a lie, but it comes pretty close. The creation of FP queues for these other rides is a jedi mind trick that will work for first time visitors. Those who know better will be very upset with their options.

These are not the Fast Passes you're looking for...

 

[ExBellhop]

My guess is your average DISer will be checking the website daily to see if new FP+s have showed up. I wonder if Disney has planned for all this massive traffic every day that they are about to add. and hopefully they've talked to teh cell providers for the massive uptick in data usage as people in teh park are CONSTANTLY looking for new FP+s.

Jason

How long before someone creates a "supplement" app where you give it your MDE credentials, the ride and time(s) you're looking for, and then it goes out and hammers the FP+ reservation system once per second until that needed time opens up and the FP+ is added to your account?

 

[squirrel4569]

How long before someone creates a "supplement" app where you give it your MDE credentials, the ride and time(s) you're looking for, and then it goes out and hammers the FP+ reservation system once per second until that needed time opens up and the FP+ is added to your account?

Don't you think someone would've done that already with ADRs?

 

[ExBellhop]

Don't you think someone would've done that already with ADRs?

Absolutely, and I'm not sure why they haven't

 

[WillAustin]

Absolutely, and I'm not sure why they haven't

It would violate the WDW website terms of use.

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[ExBellhop]

It would violate the WDW website terms of use.

Touche

I wonder if they'll be selling Disney-branded F5 replacement keys...

 

[ArwenMarie]

And I think they HAVE to hold some E ticket FP+s back. If not, they should charge a premium for rooms booked 70 days in advance, and then start discounting them as FP+ for E tickets disappear, and the allure of staying dwindles. Who would pay huge bucks for onsite rooms if the FP+s were all for C/D ticket rides?

I think this paragraph above is key and this is why I don't think that there will necessarily be same-day FPs available, at least for rides that actually need FP now.

I think the system will let high-demand FPs all go to onsite guests if the numbers of booked guests demand it. And we all know WDW accommodations are already priced at a premium. I can't see WDW ticking off a customer who can still cancel who has booked a room and tickets (and will probably eat most of their meals onsite) in order to keep high-demand FPs for a same-day guest that may or may not come.

But...this doesn't mean that the non-pre-booked guest can't ride because there will still always be the option of standby, from WDW's point of view.

 

[TheSilverTherapist]

Do only Magic Your Way package people get to arrange FP+ 60 days out?

For example, our trip in September was booked mostly via DVC so it wasn't MYW. It would really suck if that meant people like us, who didn't book it as a package get stuck with the less than stellar FP+.

 

[doconeill]

Do only Magic Your Way package people get to arrange FP+ 60 days out?

For example, our trip in September was booked mostly via DVC so it wasn't MYW. It would really suck if that meant people like us, who didn't book it as a package get stuck with the less than stellar FP+.

According to what we know as pretty definite so far, Magic Your Way ticket holders and Annual Passholders will get to book at 60 days. It says nothing about resort stays, packages, or anything else.

To clarify, "Magic You Way" is the name for the standard ticket type for guests. It has nothing to do with resorts or anything like that. Even if you book DVC, you still need a ticket...

The rumor, which appears to have come from an internal memo, is that resort guests (no distinctions being mentioned) will get a +10 benefit similr to what happens with ADRs, which means it isn't exactly a 70 day window, but rather at 60 days from your check-in date, you can book FP+ for your check-in date plus up to an additional 9 days forward or the end of that resort stay, whichever is first.

 

[agavegirl1]

Do only Magic Your Way package people get to arrange FP+ 60 days out?

For example, our trip in September was booked mostly via DVC so it wasn't MYW. It would really suck if that meant people like us, who didn't book it as a package get stuck with the less than stellar FP+.

According to the Terms and Conditions: Magic Your Way and Annual Pass holders may make selections up to 60 days in advance.

 

[TheSilverTherapist]

According to what we know as pretty definite so far, Magic Your Way ticket holders and Annual Passholders will get to book at 60 days. It says nothing about resort stays, packages, or anything else.

To clarify, "Magic You Way" is the name for the standard ticket type for guests. It has nothing to do with resorts or anything like that. Even if you book DVC, you still need a ticket...

The rumor, which appears to have come from an internal memo, is that resort guests (no distinctions being mentioned) will get a +10 benefit similr to what happens with ADRs, which means it isn't exactly a 70 day window, but rather at 60 days from your check-in date, you can book FP+ for your check-in date plus up to an additional 9 days forward or the end of that resort stay, whichever is first.

So I'm misinterpreting what Magic Your Way means. As long as I bought a ticket and linked it with my stay, I will be able to start reserving FP+ 60 days out even if I didn't order a "package" when I bought the tickets. Okay, that's a relief.

 

[doconeill]

I think my problem is I'm misunderstanding what MYW means. I'm seeing it as you have to book your resort and ticket together. For Disney it's just, I bought a ticket.

Exactly...a resort and ticket booking is just a "package", which they call a "Magic Your Way package" because it includes MYW tickets (I'm not aware of any other ticket types being included in a package, except maybe UK visitors getting the longer "ultimate" tickets).

 

[wishing4PA]

So I'm misinterpreting what Magic Your Way means. As long as I bought a ticket and linked it with my stay, I will be able to start reserving FP+ 60 days out even if I didn't order a "package" when I bought the tickets. Okay, that's a relief.

Okay, so TheSilverTherapist is relieved now. But the convention guest who is obtaining tickets via the convention at registration time (as opposed to getting them early possibly directly through Disney Meetings) is going to be left out in the cold?
I have this situation this summer. We pick up our tickets on the day we arrive. We would be left out of FP+ early booking, if that were an option. I'm glad right now that it's not fully implemented yet. We were able to get our 180+10 ADRs, and I can't see that changing, but if we would have had to have tickets in hand to get 60 day advance fastpasses, we'd have been out of luck.
Does WDW want to make convention attendees unhappy?
Or should they just be happy with their coveted ADRs and forget coveted attractions? After all, they are there to work, not to have fun!

 

[DisneyAllyC]

I'm a little confused about how this works. How does it differ from regular fastpasses?