Formula 1 will NO LONGER be televised in the United States.

I know a lot of people talk about subscriptions but for those of us who still have cable ,subscriptions aren't what it is. It's the cable package, sometimes you do need an add on but certainly not for all sports.

For us, without having the CC cover the cost of Apple TV (which the offer isn't active yet but will be in a few days) it would have meant we'd be spending more just to watch F1 stuff when right now many of these channels mentioned we already have. For example with ESPN it's in our cable package and recording stuff (and watching live when it's at a good time of day) is how we primarily watch F1 stuff. A switch to streaming (whether it was Netflix or Apple TV) would and will drastically change that.

There is still quite a decent amount of people in the U.S. with cable FWIW.
 
The percentage of homes with traditional Cable TV is in a STEEP decline.

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Yes, I'm aware, and I don't believe any person would actually need to quote me on that for goodness sake.

The point remains that everyone keeps talking about needing subscriptions but that is not the case for every person. I don't need a subscription to TNT or TBS or ESPN. The cable package that I have includes those already. And right now if you didn't have cable the ESPN+ app is far subpar as it doesn't include everything that is on the ESPN channel.

So keeping it in perspective the OP's rants about cable/broadcast whatever everyone wants to make on semantics aren't entirely unfounded complaints, do I agree with their perspective 100% no but as it stands without Apple TV being included soon on our CC we would have to spend more money to watch what we watch now for F1 with our existing cable package.

Steep decline over the years or not (which really come on did someone really feel the need to try and make that point) not everyone is in the same situation as each other here.
 
Yes, I'm aware, and I don't believe any person would actually need to quote me on that for goodness sake.

The point remains that everyone keeps talking about needing subscriptions but that is not the case for every person. I don't need a subscription to TNT or TBS or ESPN. The cable package that I have includes those already. And right now if you didn't have cable the ESPN+ app is far subpar as it doesn't include everything that is on the ESPN channel.

So keeping it in perspective the OP's rants about cable/broadcast whatever everyone wants to make on semantics aren't entirely unfounded complaints, do I agree with their perspective 100% no but as it stands without Apple TV being included soon on our CC we would have to spend more money to watch what we watch now for F1 with our existing cable package.

Steep decline over the years or not (which really come on did someone really feel the need to try and make that point) not everyone is in the same situation as each other here.
It's is just semantics.

What you pay to your cable tv provider monthly is a subscription by another name, for a bundled service that includes TNT, TBS, and ESPN.

Not unlike a Disney+, Hulu, ESPN bundle subscription.

Short of using an antenna for OTA, everyone is paying a "subscription". So unless you can watch F1 using an OTA antenna, there is no difference between it being on F1 TV, ESPN, AppleTV, Paramount+, or any other service that requires payment.
 

The point remains that everyone keeps talking about needing subscriptions but that is not the case for every person. I don't need a subscription to TNT or TBS or ESPN. The cable package that I have includes those already.
Your cable package is equivalent to a subscription in this discussion. "Basic cable" doesn't come with all those channels. It may be the most common package, but it's still paying extra for those channels.
 
It's is just semantics.

What you pay to your cable tv provider monthly is a subscription by another name, for a bundled service that includes TNT, TBS, and ESPN.

Not unlike a Disney+, Hulu, ESPN bundle subscription.

Short of using an antenna for OTA, everyone is paying a "subscription". So unless you can watch F1 using an OTA antenna, there is no difference between it being on F1 TV, ESPN, AppleTV, Paramount+, or any other service that requires payment.
Your cable package is equivalent to a subscription in this discussion. "Basic cable" doesn't come with all those channels. It may be the most common package, but it's still paying extra for those channels.
It is very different to say someone has to pay an ADDED fee just to watch a particular sport because what they have doesn't get it unless you pay extra for it which is what posters talked about piece meal needing TBS, TNT, etc. That would be the case for me if I wanted the full NBA package even with my cable package because I only have one included NBA channel.

It is an issue with semantics because you CAN need a subscription for X even with a cable package, like the aforementioned NBA Package. That is a specific add on that even the most top tier with U-Verse won't get you those channels. When a poster mentioned a Sports Package that is a subscription based situation. Actual cable package is not quite the same there in this context of talking about add-on services just to watch an particular sport.

I was not debating paying for a cable package vs paying for a streaming service y'all. What I was specifically and only talking about was paying more for what I get now which would happen even if NBC got it presuming they placed it not on their cable channels but on Peacock which we don't have that streaming service.

Someone mentioned TBS in order to watch MLB but that channel is included in 6 out of the 7 U-Verse available packages. EPSN is the same it's on 6 out of the 7 U-Verse packages available. So lanejudy you're correct that the most basic package doesn't include those but it doesn't take much at all to get it, at least with U-Verse.

I understand both of you are trying to say you pay for it one way or another but that's thinking about it from a streaming perspective as streaming started as a way for people to piece together just what they wanted to watch instead of paying for things they don't watch. Nowadays, predictably, streaming is out of control and you're paying for so many services just to get what you would get on a cable package. Someone saying "well so what a move to Apple TV you still have to pay for X to get Y sport" that isn't the case for me because it's all wrapped up in 550 channels (for my package at least) and a move off of that means I now have to pay even more than before to watch something that was already included in a monthly fee and without an add on to get only that channel so I could watch that particular sport (like the full NBA sports package would be outside of the one channel we have included).

The most similar thing, outside of what I mentioned with the NBA Sports Package, would be a tv show specifically only aired on a providers streaming service and not aired on their cable channel. That, a popular thing to do right now, would mean a person has to incur additional costs just to watch a particular show when their existing cost already includes other shows on that channel. A recent, but failed example, is Law and Order: Organized Crime which aired in the spring on Peacock but is now airing on cable tv. A more successful example is Seal Team which aired on CBS before moving to their streaming service. Those are both situations where someone used to have something included in what they already paid but then would incur an additional charge to watch that with a move occurring.
 
What I was specifically and only talking about was paying more for what I get now
But your answers are specific to the cable packages available in your area and what you already get. You don't know what's available for others vs what channels they already have. Most sports viewing now requires some degree of paid service, whether that is streaming, cable, satellite , etc.; one may already have the correct "tier" or package that includes the sport/channel of interest or it may need to be upgraded/purchased separately. This past winter I had to upgrade my cable package to get a regional sports channel even though for years that channel had previously been available on a lower tier.
 
Nowadays, predictably, streaming is out of control and you're paying for so many services just to get what you would get on a cable package.
If you are paying for a bunch of streaming, you are not playing the game right!

I get Paramount+ from WalMart+ which I get free from a credit card.

I get Netflix and AppleTV free from my cell phone provider.

I get Peacock covered by a monthly credit card credit.

I get a portion of YouTubeTV paid by the rest of the monthly credit card credit.

In the end I am still paying WAY less monthly in streaming than I was paying DirecTV.


Phase 1 was offering streaming subscriptions at a loss to gain subscribers.
Phase 2 was to raise prices and see how many remain.
Phase 3 was consolidation and bundling.
Phase 4 is combining the service with an unrelated service, a different bundling.
Phase 5 I imagine will be to raise prices and see how many remain.
 





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