For you smokers out there......

[Maistre Gracey]

I never understood why it would be a big deal for Disney resorts to go non smoking.
One needs to look no further than the Grand Californian in Disneyland California. If a DVC resort is built in DL, it very well may be non smoking.

MG

 

[waltfan1957]

Anyone who enjoys having a car on-site who is willing to have them banned before somebody gets hurt in an accident?

but that as you say would be a accident, smoking is by choice and if anyones smoke goes into another persons balcony or room what is there choice, lets face it smokers will smoke and they don't care who else they affect,

 

[smjj]

So is there anyone out there willing to give up something they enjoy in order to make DVC a better, safer place. Anyone who enjoys having a car on-site who is willing to have them banned before somebody gets hurt in an accident?

Apples and oranges my friend. As mentioned, an accident is one thing. Exhaling poisionous fumes into a public place and stinking up the place is for everyone else is entirely different...smjj

 

[kaytieeldr]

Here's the second paragraph of the introduction to the report:
"The issue of whether or not tobacco smoke is carcinogenic for humans was
conclusively resolved more than 20 years ago when the first report on smoking and health was issued in 1964. Based on the current report, the judgment can now be made that exposure to environmental tobacco smoke can cause disease, including lung cancer, in nonsmokers. It is also clear that simple separation of smokers and nonsmokers within the same airspace may reduce but cannot eliminate nonsmoker exposure to environmental tobacco smoke."

Yep. The JUDGMENT (not proven fact) CAN (not actually does or does not)cause disease. Also, the paragraph quoted refers to environmental tobacco smoke, i.e. 'active' product of cigarette smoke. It doesn't address, for example, rooms in which somebody has smoked in the past.
Please note, I'm NOT trying to say smoking is healthy for anyone; frankly, I'm just trying to add support to the obviously-minority viewpoint.

 

[crisi]

Yep. The JUDGMENT (not proven fact) CAN (not actually does or does not)cause disease. Also, the paragraph quoted refers to environmental tobacco smoke, i.e. 'active' product of cigarette smoke. It doesn't address, for example, rooms in which somebody has smoked in the past.
Please note, I'm NOT trying to say smoking is healthy for anyone; frankly, I'm just trying to add support to the obviously-minority viewpoint.

And, while they couldn't find any statistical evidence to support second hand smoke causing disease, the judgement is that IF it causes problems it is a factor of quantity of exposure over time. i.e. working in a smokey bar for years may cause smoking related problems if you are a nonsmoker, but little belief that walking by a smoker outside once in your life is a significant factor.

I don't think anyone who studies this believes there would be an increase in risk for smoking related diseases for spending time in a room someone smoked in last week.

Now, I think there is agreement that residual smoke can aggrevate existing conditions, such as asthma. But, as has been pointed out, so can perfume, dust, mold, etc.

 

[NMW]

This is just my opinion but I would not mind at all if the entire state of FL went non-smoking. I can't tell you how happy I am that smoking is banned in all restaurants in FL. They are supposed to pass this law in New Jersey very soon and I can't wait. We live a couple miles from the NJ border and we will happily go out to eat in NJ instead of PA because PA has smoking sections. Although, I have to admit the smoking sections in restaurants around us are really, really small and almost always empty. When people are in them though, they smell horrible, and the smoke does drift.

My father is a smoker and has never smoked in my parents house, ever. To my knowledge he has never smoked in a hotel room either-at least not when we would vacation as kids and not if my mother was there. I don't see the big deal about making DVC and all Disney hotels, for that matter, non-smoking. Smokers can still smoke outside in designated areas.

Maybe it's a personal issue for me because my son and I have asthma and old smoke smells bother both of us. Non-smoking for medical reason is the only request I ever plan to make. I just hope DVC resorts continue to honor it and that the people who smoke in n/s DVC rooms start getting charged for the clean up. Some Marriot timeshares do this, why can't DVC?

 

[krbq]

I glad someone pointed out this is a blended thread because that fact that Disney tells smokers that they can smoke in a N/S unit was mentioned many times in previous postings.

While I'm not saying that no CM has ever allowed smoking in a NS room, I'd like to say that we always ask for a smoking optional room and, when none are available at check-in, we have NEVER been told it's ok to smoke in a NS room. Nor did it ever occur to us to ask if it's ok or to do so anyway. When we've asked to be moved to a smoking optional room at another resort, the CM will take the time to look for one rather than take the easy route and waive the rules. I'm not doubting anyone else's word, I'm just pointing out that it's not a normal occurrence to allow smoking in a NS unit and I'm quite sure it isn't Disney policy.

 

[greenban]

Just a side note. The poll's numbers have slowly and consistantly been changing. In the earliest days this poll ran >80% against smoking, now it is down to <77%.

No I don't think it will become 50-50, and I don't know the source of the slide. (Opinions and info posted here? American's inbreed dislike of far-reaching rules and regulations, Mobilization of smokers, or what?) However, this slide is real (and given the #s of votes it is statistically significant) and continues.......

As Spock would say, "Interesting............"

-Tony

 

[nanny49]

Basically, I am just trying to figure out where you can and cannot smoke at Disney World. First trip there with 2 children and 3 adults, staying at French Quarter for 6 nights.

This forum board is not easily navigated and I could not discern where I should actually be asking this question.

 

[BELLE16127]

On a recent trip to WDW in July a very HOT trip I might add. I did notice ALOT of NON SMOKERS sitting in the nice shaded areas of posted "SMOKING AREAS" HMMMMM why is that? People can't stand to be around smoke unless it is hot in the sun and they want a cool place to take a break on a hot day IN the parks?????

 

[greenban]

On a recent trip to WDW in July a very HOT trip I might add. I did notice ALOT of NON SMOKERS sitting in the nice shaded areas of posted "SMOKING AREAS" HMMMMM why is that? People can't stand to be around smoke unless it is hot in the sun and they want a cool place to take a break on a hot day IN the parks?????

Sadly, hippocrits (spelling I know), come in all three kinds of people, Smoking, Non-Smoking and Menthol!

-Tony

 

[markm0926]

I smoke.
I don't want to smoke in my room at WDW, but I would like to be able to go outside and light up on my balcony.

 

[smjj]

On a recent trip to WDW in July a very HOT trip I might add. I did notice ALOT of NON SMOKERS sitting in the nice shaded areas of posted "SMOKING AREAS" HMMMMM why is that? People can't stand to be around smoke unless it is hot in the sun and they want a cool place to take a break on a hot day IN the parks?????

Not every non-smoker comes here to gripe. Not every non-smoker gripes period. It was probably just non-smokers who wanted to be out of the sun and don't mind the smoke that much. I for one would not take a break in a smokers area then complain about the smoke...smjj

 

[TCPluto]

My father is a smoker and has never smoked in my parents house, ever.

Huh? This sounds funny....

 

[Joe&Peg]

I had requested a smoking room with Mariott on two occasions, was given non smoking rooms (clearly marked) with ashtrays furnished by the clerk at the desk. I only smoked on the balcony with the door closed on both occasions, but offer this to let you know that Disney and DVC aren't the only ones who equivocate on the smoking issue.

 

[Shawn]

Huh? This sounds funny....

Assuming he didn't mistype when he said "his father never smoked in his parent's house", I also folks like this.

That is, both my father and mother in law smoked, but they did not smoke in their house. They would go outside when they smoked.

-Shawn

 

[Luigi's Girl]

On a recent trip to WDW in July a very HOT trip I might add. I did notice ALOT of NON SMOKERS sitting in the nice shaded areas of posted "SMOKING AREAS" HMMMMM why is that? People can't stand to be around smoke unless it is hot in the sun and they want a cool place to take a break on a hot day IN the parks?????

Not ALL non-smokers are bothered by second hand smoke. I don't think they are the ones complaining here. I on the other hand am physically bothered by smoke and lingering smoke smells so therefore when asked for my opinion, I don't mind giving it. And I don't care how hot and sweaty it is I would never and could never stand around people who are smoking period!

 

[JulieEck]

I would rather any smoking rooms all be on the same floor, and the top floor at that, but I certainly wouldn't want to stay in a non-smoking room on that floor. So then, you'd need to do the entire top floor as smoking.

For the suggestion of making the last rooms on each floor smoking, etc., what if I was assigned the room right next to the smoking one? I certainly couldn't stay in that one if people were actually smoking next door. Smoke does drift.

I also definitely think smoking/non-smoking rooms should be guaranteed. Other hotels can do it, Disney could too. It would be part of the reservation and they know how many they have available. At the point when all that's left is smoking rooms, you then have a choice of taking a smoking room or going somewhere else or changing your dates so what you want is available. I don't see what's so hard about it and was very surprised to find out that my non-smoking room request was simply a request and not guaranteed on my very first stay at WDW. It had me praying that we end up with non-smoking - at the time I had no idea how few rooms there actually were for smoking and upon check-in was told that the only rooms for smoking (this was at CSR) were on the top floor of only one building. I thought then, what a good idea!

I also wanted to mention that the Grand Californian is all non-smoking (as some have already pointed out). Not only that, but the other 2 Disney hotels at Disneyland, Paradise Pier and Disneyland Hotel are both going to all non-smoking beginning sometime in March, according to a post on the Disneyland board. If that happens then 100% of Disney hotel rooms in CA are non-smoking. If they are doing it there, they may eventually do it here. Or at least to some extent. I've wondered about the possibility of having one resort from each category (value, mod, deluxe, dvc) be a smoking resort and let all the others be non-smoking. What about that idea??? Of course, that may not work as well with DVC since people have home resorts already...

 

[Dean]

I had requested a smoking room with Mariott on two occasions, was given non smoking rooms (clearly marked) with ashtrays furnished by the clerk at the desk. I only smoked on the balcony with the door closed on both occasions, but offer this to let you know that Disney and DVC aren't the only ones who equivocate on the smoking issue.

Several of the Marriott timeshare have or are in the process of going all NS with a hefty fine for violators.

 

[aDVCwannabe]

"After reading all of the posts i must say as a person with a lung condition who can not ever be around smoke...I think Disney should ban smoking and I think it is rude and uncaring if you smoke in a Non smoking room if that is all they have avaliable to you then smoke in the smoking areas at the resort but why wreck a perfect room with that smell and then make others suffer..

...i am sorry to read that you have a lung condition...and i agree that it is disrespectful for a smoker to smoke in a non-smoking room...

"If disney is telling you it is ok to smoke in a non smoking room this is wrong and If I ever heard a Cm telling a guest that I would report them to a manager...

...you are oh so right, again!...

"Smokers need to face a reality the rest of the world who does not smoke does not want to shorten their life span due to second hand smoke....Smokers need to have respect for those who do not smoke..

...as i read you, you are suggesting that this respect thing is a one-way thing; and that non-smokers need not have any respect for smokers...can't buy that...you have an affliction - the smoker has an addiction...both parties here seem to suffer from some sort of disability and need to accommodate each other's affliction; like we tell our kids - work it out together!...

"Even if you are smoking on a balcony and my room is ns underneath yours I still get stuck breathing in your second hand smoke which to someone like myself can be deadly with my condition...

...if the smoker is considerate enough to leave their non-smoking room to enjoy their habit, perhaps you and the other non-smokers should consider returning to your non-smoking sanctuary until the air is again clear enough for you...just a suggestion that seems to accommodate both parties...

"I have never smoked and have lung problems you smokers are slowly killing yourself but donot do it to the rest of us..

...i am sure that smokers are not purposefully targeting non-smokers in an attempt to kill them...the considerate smoker will take means to move away from non-smokers...a considerate non-smoker should take means to move away as well; sounds like a compromise, eh?...but throughout this thread i have not read of many non-smokers making an attempt to go out of their way to avoid a smoker...it rather seems like the non-smokers want it their way so that they don't have to compromise and don' have to accommodate anyone...i think my parents called that selfish...

"sorry just my two cents..I understand this is not a smoking thread but I would love to DVC be all non smoking or make one building at each resort smoking so the rest of us do not have to suffer...

...do not apologize for your opinion...we all have them!...but to make dvc all non-smoking would mean the removal of the 'welcome home' philosophy...if smokers can smoke at home, well, dvc is their home away from home - right? your suggestion to segregate buildings is a good one...and the other suggestions from the non-smokers to compromise in other ways are valid, too, if they could be implemented...that sounds like people trying to coexist...yay!...


"last year I was put inot a n/s room and someone had smoked in it..what a shame....I had to be moved asap...it is gross and was unfair to my family for someone else who was so inconsiderate...."

...sorry that you had to be inconvenienced...wonder if it was a resort guest, housekeeper or maintenance staff who smoked there before you checked in...