FLL airport - Shooting today at 1 pm - 9 wounded

Threads go off track ALL the time. Only the moderators and owners get to say what's allowed to be talked about. An OP (or any poster for that matter) can't set rules on what subjects can be discussed.


If people would keep discussing the shootings, the cakes string will get drowned out. But as someone mentioned earlier, there's not a lot of new information right now.
All the above is true. Although, "that" discussion could likely get this thread "poofed". We couldn't start another, regarding the Ft. Lauderdale attack. A new one on "that" topic could be posted and would be okay. Can't understand why, some continue to derail this thread. Am I missing something? :confused:
 
My local news played it this AM and I was shocked how calmly he just was walking along, then just starts shooting. Looked as though he didn't even think about, almost like answering a phone.
Calm, cool, collected...almost robotic. No emotion before, during of after the attack. Gives me chills.
 
Calm, cool, collected...almost robotic. No emotion before, during of after the attack. Gives me chills.
I think it adds credibility to the mental illness aspect. We really don't know what (if anything) he was "hearing" in his head.
 

Local news reported this morning he went to the FBI claiming the govt was controlling his mind. They took his gun, gave him a psych evaluation, then returned his gun to him. They didn't indicate if there was a time lapse between these things or not.
 
Well didn't take long for a key word to pop up. They really could have just said handgun. I'm not sure of any average handgun these days that aren't "semi-autamatic". Seems to be the key word even though it doesn't really mean much. It seems he didn't even have a high capacity clip or anything based on how many he shot.

I'm fascinated that he was able to fly in the first place. Not just the fact of owning a gun or anything but you would think since he walked into an FBI facility and reported what he did and they took his gun away from him that they would have at least put him on a no fly list for a little bit so they could monitor him. Makes me wonder how many others are slipping through the cracks.
 
Local news reported this morning he went to the FBI claiming the govt was controlling his mind. They took his gun, gave him a psych evaluation, then returned his gun to him. They didn't indicate if there was a time lapse between these things or not.

I don't think the FBI did anything other than report him to the local authorities. Weren't they the ones who had him evaluated, and they were they ones who confiscated his weapon but gave it back to him? I also read that it was a 4 day evaluation and then his gun was returned to him.
Not doubting you Gumbo, just trying to clarify what I had read soon after the shooting.
 
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IMO, the fact that when he was out of bullets he placed the gun on the floor and laid down waiting police, he knew what he did was wrong. That will help prosecutors to argue the insanity plea that I am sure his attorney will use. Because he needs to be convicted of premeditated first degree murder. Being a Broward County resident, I would LOVE to be on this jury and see him fry.

Thank you for letting me vent.
 
IMO, the fact that when he was out of bullets he placed the gun on the floor and laid down waiting police, he knew what he did was wrong. That will help prosecutors to argue the insanity plea that I am sure his attorney will use.
My husband and I were talking about the mental defense. At least from the information available it seems yes he was mentally disturbed but does he qualify under the mental defense based on the legal criteria was our questions especially considering they are seeking the death penalty (though bringing that up is not meant to stir the pot or lead to a debate in the ethics of the death penalty). It will be something I would like to keep tabs on over time as the trial unfolds.
 
I probably think it's a combination of training, mental illness, substance abuse.
 
I probably think it's a combination of training, mental illness, substance abuse.

May not even be substance abuse. It could be the prescribed medication he may or may not be on. My brother always told me when he was on his cocktail of pills he felt absolutely nothing on them and was just going through the motions and he thought he was suppose to i.e. get up go to school, come home, do homework, go to bed. Of course not every cocktail did that to him but the one he says he hated the absolute most did that and it took awhile to get his doctors to believe him and adjust because they kept telling him and our parents since he was a teen that the pills needed time to level off.
 
So try to "take the thread back".
I might have tried had I not been working back to back 12 1/2 hr shifts.... in the middle of a blizzard. :laughing: :cold:

Sometimes an OP steps in and helps guide a thread back on topic, but in this case, the OP hasn't been back since posting the thread. The big thing, as a pp mentioned, is that if it gets closed down, that's it for discussion about it so that opportunity's then lost. In the past on these types of threads we've had people say they appreciate the updates when they're at work.

So... thanks to all who posted updates... in between the baking lessons. :teeth:

Trying to catch up.
 
My husband and I were talking about the mental defense. At least from the information available it seems yes he was mentally disturbed but does he qualify under the mental defense based on the legal criteria was our questions especially considering they are seeking the death penalty (though bringing that up is not meant to stir the pot or lead to a debate in the ethics of the death penalty). It will be something I would like to keep tabs on over time as the trial unfolds.
No to the mental defense, if the reports pertaining to his recent psych evaluation are accurate. Assessment, release and returning his weapon..ether they found him to be sane or were grossly incompetent. IMO
 
No to the mental defense, if the reports pertaining to his recent psych evaluation are accurate. Assessment, release and returning his weapon..ether they found him to be sane or were grossly incompetent. IMO
Totally understand you there but we all know how things can be spun or details found during investigation or trial.
 
I don't think the FBI did anything other than report him to the local authorities. Weren't they the ones who had him evaluated, and they were they ones who confiscated his weapon but gave it back to him? I also read that it was a 4 day evaluation and then his gun was returned to him.
Not doubting you Gumbo, just trying to clarify what I had read soon after the shooting.

What I got on the news was a quick report, no doubt lacking many of the details you read.
 
I don't think the FBI did anything other than report him to the local authorities. Weren't they the ones who had him evaluated, and they were they ones who confiscated his weapon but gave it back to him? I also read that it was a 4 day evaluation and then his gun was returned to him.
Not doubting you Gumbo, just trying to clarify what I had read soon after the shooting.
Not exactly sure of the timeline, but I wonder if it was because he was military that they gave it back to him? (Not that I necessarily agree with that.) I believe he was let go from the military in August. He also had domestic battery charges against him before his girlfriend had their baby in Sept.
 
Not exactly sure of the timeline, but I wonder if it was because he was military that they gave it back to him? (Not that I necessarily agree with that.) I believe he was let go from the military in August. He also had domestic battery charges against him before his girlfriend had their baby in Sept.
Who knows? He could have said the "right" things and managed to get the weapon back. Often there is a big difference in rights with charges vs convictions and maybe that had something to do with why he still was armed.
 
My husband and I were talking about the mental defense. At least from the information available it seems yes he was mentally disturbed but does he qualify under the mental defense based on the legal criteria was our questions especially considering they are seeking the death penalty (though bringing that up is not meant to stir the pot or lead to a debate in the ethics of the death penalty). It will be something I would like to keep tabs on over time as the trial unfolds.

Highly unlikely that he would be successful with an insanity defense. That is a very difficult defense to establish, and in most cases, means a showing that you cannot distinguish between right and wrong, OR are so insane that you were mistaken about what you are doing....the classic example being a person who shoots someone in the head believing it is a watermelon, not a head. If a person truly thinks that, and it can be proven, they will be remanded to the custody of the state for those criminally insane (often a far longer sentence than regular prison because, well, they are nuts and need to be locked up).

In this case, it seems he is likely to be quite mentally ill, but also not criminally insane. Those are not inconsistent statements. Both can be true, and in this case, likely are.

We do a very, very poor job with mental illness in this country. And, I believe that over the course of time, we are going to learn that these disorders are far more "physical" than mental. We just don't know enough about the brain (yet) to be able to identify and treat what are likely organic malfunctions of the brain (like Type I diabetes is a result of a mechanical dysfunction of the pancreas).

But, of course, today, we treat these people very poorly as if they can "control" their mental health and if they aren't well, it is surely "their fault." Sad.
 












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