First Time/DVC-Curious

I’d try to go with places that do not solely rely on buses but especially avoid resorts with an internal bus loop if you’re planning on going into the parks like SSR or OKW. BCV, BWV, BLT come to mind obviously but I think the monorail resorts and RIV would be fine as well.
Thank you! We own BLT and BCV and are adding a tiny AKV for non park visits, which I think she might love. She wanted to travel to Africa last year (Kenya if I recall) for a first time visit, but she had passed the age of eligibility for certain important vaccines. No extra vaccines needed for AKV though!
 
Thank you! We own BLT and BCV and are adding a tiny AKV for non park visits, which I think she might love. She wanted to travel to Africa last year (Kenya if I recall) for a first time visit, but she had passed the age of eligibility for certain important vaccines. No extra vaccines needed for AKV though!
Yeah my parents stayed cash at OKW during their last trip which not to mention for the most part does not have elevators (aside from 3 buildings) in their buildings although you can request a ground floor room and pretty much always get it. But anyways because of how many stops there were it wasn't uncommon for a bus to show up already filled with the maximum amount of scooters meaning they would have to wait another 20 minutes for another bus just to find that that one was filled as well. In hindsight they probably should've ordered a Minnie van or something but it's not really something you should be having to deal with on property so I refuse to put them back in OKW/SSR for that reason.
 
We will be traveling with my mom possibly using an electric scooter as she ages. What do you think of as the easiest DVC locations to navigate using mobility tools like these? She can walk now, but WDW is a lot of walking when over 80 with a bad back. Any tips?
The best resort for wheelchair and scooters in our view is Poly. Since you can go directly to MK and Epcot (walk to ticket and transportation center). Our current challenge is it is a studio only resort. That will change very soon. Monorail resorts are best. But I would not let that make your decision. One of the persons in our group loves SSR. We stay at several resorts every year. We go to all the festivals now. This year I will be in my first 10k race which does coincide with Festal of the Arts.

I recommend reviewing the disabilities board. Disney Cast Members are great. You may want to drive the scooter on the bus for your party since they can walk. They may find backing in the bus intimidating. In a few trips they will be a pros and the Cast Member is always helpful when backing into the spot. Always keep you party first some of the ride lines. Spread out behind them leave enough room so they can backup to make the turn. Rise of the Resistance has a set of loops that can be challenging. Some rides will not allow scooters in line but will provide a wheelchair e.g., buzz lightyear, winnie the pooh, pirates of caribbean. Some rides you will go in a dedicated line It’s a small world via the exit, spaceship earth on the side via the exit. Both rides have wheel chair symbols. Disney also has disability park maps. Finally, there are special viewing areas for parades and shows. Just ask a cast member if you have trouble locating them from the map. I highly recommend reviewing each the maps and make notes for each ride and show you are going to see. That way you have a general idea of what to anticipate.
 
When I look at the historical availability charts, it does seem like 1 bedrooms are frequently available at grand californian around the holidays? And yes I'm sure it's because it's like 60-75 points a night. But how accurate are these charts? For what it's worth, we'd only go for 2 or 3 nights. As a local, and since the parks are small and close together, I don't know that we need more than 2-3 days... at least until the expansion really takes off.
As a data point pre-COVID, we could get a 1 bedroom at the 7-month mark. I think post COVID its rather difficult. And now with thousands (eventually millions) of VDH points showing up on the West Coast, there will be a ton of VDH waitlists for VGC that did not previously exists.

But all this is today's observations. Things will change over time. Perhaps Disneyland Forward does build the 3rd DVC West Coast Resort and that's the "go to" location. This of course is all 10 years in the future. For now, and the next 5'ish years or so I see availability at VGC getting worse not better.
 

This is another insightful post. Thank you. Can I ask what the problem is with bringing strollers on buses? Is there a no stroller policy? We haven't taken our son on public transportation yet (that's not how we get around in our neighborhood really). I get that buses can get packed and it might be annoying for other travelers, but our stroller folds up so it's not a huge space sucker: it's smaller and more narrow than an adult. I'm also from NYC and am used to riding packed buses and subways so the cramped factor doesn't bother me so much.
Also, I was considering VGF. I've always wanted to stay there and the monorail + MK proximity are big pluses. Food options seem cool too and my wife digs that it has a spa. But what do you mean it's still tough to get at 11 months around xmas? If we tried for a one-bedroom owning there and couldn't get one, then that would be a non-starter for me.
Thanks again!
As some of the quotes below - *getting stroller ready to fold* is probably the worst, then folding the strollers and then carrying child + stroller + stuff can be challenging, especially if it's late and said child was sleeping.

We LOVE VGF and it's sort of hard to get during Xmas for studios, not so much for 1br. We've generally not had a problem with 2br either, but haven't booked those so much. It still remains to be seen how all those points for resort studios will affect the system. 2020-2022 wasCOVID excess points + revenge travel; everything eased up a bit in the summer 2022 (?) when VGF resort studio points were sold and opened - a lot of availability in the system as people moved TO the resort studios at 7mo, etc etc. Our more recent VGF bookings haven't been at 8am on the dot other than our Xmas booking (2br) which I canceled when I got VGC...
As someone who is still in the stroller stage, the whole bus/stroller situation (IMHO) is less about collapsing the stroller itself and more so making the stroller 'ready' to be collapsed.

We have the Babyzen Yo Yo - super compact and ridiculously light - and at this point I can pretty much collapse using one-hand while holding an iced coffee in the other. 🤣 BUT before I can do that, I need to first find some place to stash the fans, water bottles, sunscreen, wipes, ponchos, ears, leftover baguette from Les Halles, oversized souvenirs, Mickey bubble wand (yes, I'm a sucker). If you're already carrying all that stuff in a backpack, then NBD but most folks take advantage of having the stroller.
^^ this! We rented a city mini double for many years - my oldest was fine to walk for miles, but when it's hot or late or they're tired, or you just want to get somewhere and it's easier to give them food while walking ... We didn't bring a big backpack, but there was always water bottles, popcorn bucket, ponchos, hats and sunglasses, baby carrier, etc... We are now stroller free and travel very light, because the only "group" things to carry are ponchos in a light backpack (dad), a popcorn bucket and a large water bottle, which the kids and I switch off carrying. My loungefly has the $/cards/gift cards/phone etc and can fit a sunscreen in it. It's so freeing. But I was very nervous to give up the stroller completely.
Here's a hypothetical question, if I were to make an 11-month booking, but then I saw a reservation that I immediately wanted at 7 months, is it easy to instantly cancel the 11-month one and grab the 7-month one? I'm envisioning a scenario in which I buy AK but then see a Grand Californian opening during the holidays and try to grab that.
However, I’ve read that when modifying a WDW reservation the DL and AUL resorts might not show as options. In that case you’d need to call MS to make the switch, but again you wouldn’t need to cancel AKV and take the chance of losing it if VGC availability disappeared in the meantime.

Well, online booking opens at 8:00 AM Eastern but MS doesn’t open until 9:00, so a highly-competitive reservation like a VGC studio can disappear in that time. The other unknown is how long it takes to get MS on the line - sometimes hold time is longer than others. It wouldn’t take MS long to make the switch once you’re talking to them.

Unfortunately, I don’t know any way around the issue. But at least everyone else who has an East Coast reservation and wants to switch to the West Coast is in the same boat!
All of this. As others have said you cannot modify from WDW to CA or HI. And VGC rooms especially are often gone by 9am. So an 8am workaround: if you have extra points, you could use those to book a few nights at 8am, then cancel the WDW booking and then modify your CA booking to add the extra nights.
Yes; I asked Member Services about this the other day. No modifications from one coast to another; you can cancel and rebook though!
That can be dangerous if you're canceling a popular resort (e.g. VGF) or room type. In the old days of the RAT, you could have 2 screens up to the point where you have to choose your contracts/points, and cancel on the other screen, and then use points on the booking screen. Not sure if that's possible now - I'd definitely practice before trying it.

I've found VGC to be **possible** if: you don't expect that you will get it, you don't *have* to be in studios, your dates are flexible, you have a backup plan. Upcoming trip we are in a 2br over Xmas that I booked at 8am from my phone while walking the kids to school. Probably helped that 2br are a bazillion points then so normal VGC users are not likely to bother? This will be our second time staying at VGC but I've actually booked at 7mo 3 more (random) times, pre and post Covid, where we've then changed plans and gone somewhere else.
 
Hi all. Wanted to circle back on my first post... how easy or tough is it to rent out points once you are a member? Is it a guarantee (or close to one) that you'll at least get back your annual dues? If not, how does this change from resort by resort? Specifically asking for Animal Kingdom Lodge, Disneyland Hotel, Grand Cal, and Grand Floridian. Thanks!
 
Hi all. Wanted to circle back on my first post... how easy or tough is it to rent out points once you are a member? Is it a guarantee (or close to one) that you'll at least get back your annual dues? If not, how does this change from resort by resort? Specifically asking for Animal Kingdom Lodge, Disneyland Hotel, Grand Cal, and Grand Floridian. Thanks!
Generally it should be easy, the only time when it wouldn’t be is if you wait until the last minute to try and rent them out.
 
Generally it should be easy, the only time when it wouldn’t be is if you wait until the last minute to try and rent them out.
Dumb question: If the home resort is based in Florida, would you need to pay Florida taxes when renting the points out?
 
As far income taxes go, the tax returns you need to file are federal and state of residence. For such taxes, if you want to deduct expenses for the rental, you need to file with the federal taxes a Schedule E. You can deduct from the rental income the proportion of annual operation/maintenance dues applicable to the points used for the reservation and property taxes (if not already deducted generally because you are using the standard deduction rather than itemizing). More controversial is deducting depreciation (a small portion of the value of the property you own). If you have not done this before and do not use a tax accountant, you need to review articles (many available on the internet) to see what and how you can deduct.

Nevertheless, you need to be aware of two rules, which many members who do rentals seem to ignore. One is that the DVC Membership Agreement actually prohibits you from using banked points to do rentals, see, e.g., BWV Membership Agreement §4.4. Also, all rentals are subject to Florida rental tax provisions: (a) there is a 6% state sales tax on the amount charged for the rental, and also a 6% Orange County transient occupancy tax for the WDW resorts. You can charge those taxes to the person to whom you rent, and if you do not charge it, you are supposed to pay it, and either way you need to file a required form with the payment, Form DR-15 in Florida to be filed with the Florida Department of Revenue.
For income taxes you’d pay taxes to the Feds & your state of residence on your rental income, but see above from a thread in April about taxes & DVC, https://www.disboards.com/threads/taxes.3937066/#post-6541652
I’m not well versed in taxes or Florida law nor have I researched the case law on the subject & I’ve never read of anyone paying the Florida/Orange County transient occupancy taxes when renting their DVC points out - so I’d say maybe.
Dumb question: If the home resort is based in Florida, would you need to pay Florida taxes when renting the points out?
 
I had expiring points when I bought a contract that I thought were past their banking deadline (turns out you can sometimes ask for an exception if they came with a contract you just bought). I was able to rent them for something like $10/pp in under 24 hours. (and they weren't points I had to pay dues on, but even renting at that price would cover dues in most instances).

I think I had another situation where we had to rent a reservation or points during covid because something happened and we had to change plans and maybe the points were already banked? Anyway - similar story, if you price them to sell they will sell. Will you get $18-$20? Not likely, but drop that a few $ and they will sell. Mostly we try to use our points though!
 
Okay, thank you all again for your collective advice. I did speak to a sales rep today so I am getting more curious about this. I wanted to run a hypothetical scenario/question by y'all:

Say I have a December use year and 200 points. I get my points 12/24 and bank them to the following year, so in 12/25, I have 400 points. I go to make a reservation for 12/26 in 2/26 (or whatever the 11 month mark is). I make that reservation. But something comes up, and I need to move that trip to April or June of 2027. Can I still do that? Or do I lose 200 of those 400 points? This is assuming the hotel/room is available in the 2027 dates.
 
Okay, thank you all again for your collective advice. I did speak to a sales rep today so I am getting more curious about this. I wanted to run a hypothetical scenario/question by y'all:

Say I have a December use year and 200 points. I get my points 12/24 and bank them to the following year, so in 12/25, I have 400 points. I go to make a reservation for 12/26 in 2/26 (or whatever the 11 month mark is). I make that reservation. But something comes up, and I need to move that trip to April or June of 2027. Can I still do that? Or do I lose 200 of those 400 points? This is assuming the hotel/room is available in the 2027 dates.
My brain is spinning because I find December UY extraordinarily confusing, but I'll give it a go.

The thing to keep in mind is that if you bank points into a subsequent UY, they are stuck in that new UY.

In your scenario, the banked 12/24 UY points could not be used for a 12/26 reservation, because they will expire at the end of the 12/25 UY end of November 2026. You would have both your 12/25 points (if banked to 12/26 UY) and your 12/26 points available to use for a 2027 trip.

Now I've confused myself, and I'm not even sure I'm right anymore. I think I need to go lie down 😂
 
Okay, thank you all again for your collective advice. I did speak to a sales rep today so I am getting more curious about this. I wanted to run a hypothetical scenario/question by y'all:

Say I have a December use year and 200 points. I get my points 12/24 and bank them to the following year, so in 12/25, I have 400 points. I go to make a reservation for 12/26 in 2/26 (or whatever the 11 month mark is). I make that reservation. But something comes up, and I need to move that trip to April or June of 2027. Can I still do that? Or do I lose 200 of those 400 points? This is assuming the hotel/room is available in the 2027 dates.
Yes it gets pretty confusing… but as far as I can tell. Points expire when they expire. Period. So banked points expire in the UY they were banked to.
 
My brain is spinning because I find December UY extraordinarily confusing, but I'll give it a go.

The thing to keep in mind is that if you bank points into a subsequent UY, they are stuck in that new UY.

In your scenario, the banked 12/24 UY points could not be used for a 12/26 reservation, because they will expire at the end of the 12/25 UY end of November 2026. You would have both your 12/25 points (if banked to 12/26 UY) and your 12/26 points available to use for a 2027 trip.

Now I've confused myself, and I'm not even sure I'm right anymore. I think I need to go lie down 😂
ah thanks but now I am confused too! I thought that if one regularly vacations around the December holidays, then they should get a December use year. But if I'm only traveling every two years around the holidays, is that not the case?

Another question that's hopefully not a head-spinner: In this scenario, would it be better for me to rent the 12/24 points out, and then borrow points from 12/27 if I want to travel in 12/26 using 400 points? And in this case, could I push that trip into 2027 with all those same points if need be?
 
ah thanks but now I am confused too! I thought that if one regularly vacations around the December holidays, then they should get a December use year. But if I'm only traveling every two years around the holidays, is that not the case?

Another question that's hopefully not a head-spinner: In this scenario, would it be better for me to rent the 12/24 points out, and then borrow points from 12/27 if I want to travel in 12/26 using 400 points? And in this case, could I push that trip into 2027 with all those same points if need be?
I think you're making this more complicated than it needs to be even though having a December use year alone is complicated.

If you're trying to travel anytime from 12/1/2026-11/30/2027, you can only use banked Dec 2025 points, Dec 2026 points or borrowed 2027 points. If you have absolutely no use for the Dec 2024 points because you're not going anytime from 12/1/2024-11/30/2026 then yes you should rent the points.
 
ah thanks but now I am confused too! I thought that if one regularly vacations around the December holidays, then they should get a December use year. But if I'm only traveling every two years around the holidays, is that not the case?

Another question that's hopefully not a head-spinner: In this scenario, would it be better for me to rent the 12/24 points out, and then borrow points from 12/27 if I want to travel in 12/26 using 400 points? And in this case, could I push that trip into 2027 with all those same points if need be?
Ok let me take a crack at this. I find it easiest to think about which UY the desired trip would fall into first then work out what points you need from there. In your case your Dec 2026 trip would be in the beginning of your 2026UY. So if you need extra points for that trip, they’d come from banking your 2025 UY points (not 2024 because those will expire on Nov 30, 2026 so they won’t be usable for a Dec 2026 trip) or yes, borrowing from 2027.

So in your scenario you’re working with an “extra” set of points so if you only plan to go in Dec 2026 and have Dec 2024 points coming soon, you’ll want to rent those out, bank your 2025 points when those become available (or when you go to book your trip in Feb), and then in Feb 2026, book your Dec 2026 trip. No need to borrow from 2027UY unless you need more than 400 points for your trip.

But something comes up, and I need to move that trip to April or June of 2027. Can I still do that? Or do I lose 200 of those 400 points? This is assuming the hotel/room is available in the 2027 dates.
Going back to your original scenario and given the above info, here’s what your situation will look like: you’ve rented out your 2024 points, banked your 2025 points (which banked, now expire Nov 30 2027), booked your Dec 2026 trip with those banked points + current 2026 points. If you then have to cancel that trip, no worries, you can move that trip to anytime before Nov 30, 2027 before losing any points.

A Dec UY is great for Dec trips because it gives you the maximum amount of time to replan a trip if you have to cancel but man is it a bit confusing lol I hope I didn’t make this more confusing for you or worse, get it completely wrong and really make it even more confusing for you 😂
 
ah thanks but now I am confused too! I thought that if one regularly vacations around the December holidays, then they should get a December use year. But if I'm only traveling every two years around the holidays, is that not the case?

Another question that's hopefully not a head-spinner: In this scenario, would it be better for me to rent the 12/24 points out, and then borrow points from 12/27 if I want to travel in 12/26 using 400 points? And in this case, could I push that trip into 2027 with all those same points if need be?
If you travel in December, I think most would recommend that you have a UY just before your preferred travel period. For December travel, I personally would opt for an October UY just to open up the Halloween and Thanksgiving holidays, and in case you ever want to walk a December reservation beginning in November.

Nothing inherently wrong with a December UY, it's just that most of your UY occurs in the subsequent calendar year, which is confusing for me. I have a Feb UY which is of course the best, lol :)
 
As others have said, what you need to do is first determine the UY of the trip and then go from there.

A Dec 2026 trip is in your 2026 UY, so you use banked 2025, 2026 and borrow 2027 if needed

If your first set of points is Dec 2024 and you want to travel before Dec 2026, then those points won’t be eligible.


To get on your EOY cycle if you buy now would be to go in Dec 2025…this way, you could use banked 2024, 2025, and any borrowed 2026 if you need them.

You would get Dec 2023 points buying direct right now and could sell them back to DVC using the MB program.
 
Going back to your original scenario and given the above info, here’s what your situation will look like: you’ve rented out your 2024 points, banked your 2025 points (which banked, now expire Nov 30 2027), booked your Dec 2026 trip with those banked points + current 2026 points. If you then have to cancel that trip, no worries, you can move that trip to anytime before Nov 30, 2027 before losing any points.

A Dec UY is great for Dec trips because it gives you the maximum amount of time to replan a trip if you have to cancel but man is it a bit confusing lol I hope I didn’t make this more confusing for you or worse, get it completely wrong and really make it even more confusing for you 😂
I think this is what I need (I hope)! So essentially, points are good to use for just less than 24 months from when they are administered, correct?
 















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