Fastpass Enforcement coming?

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As much as I enjoy reading this train wreck of a thread (and don't get me wrong, I subscribed a long time agopopcorn::) can't we keep it from being personal?

ITA :thumbsup2

Everyone has their opinion, right or wrong... It won't change the new FP enforcement come March 7th.....

Just an FYI.... for those who condem people using their FP later than the time issued on the ticket.......two well known touring plan sponsors on this board both recommended using the FP later strategy, their advice was given to all who subscribed to their services, and this was likely accepted by many who wished to tour a park easily during peak periods.


BTW....My trip starts......March 7th!!! So I'll be one of the first to see how things go ;)


Now Play Nice children :goodvibes
 
Just an FYI.... for those who condem people using their FP later than the time issued on the ticket.......two well known touring plan sponsors on this board both recommended using the FP later strategy, their advice was given to all who subscribed to their services, and this was likely accepted by many who wished to tour a park easily during peak periods.

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Now Play Nice children :goodvibes

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My experience was not at the FP entrance, but at the FP distribution station. As people were getting their FPs, the CMs were informing them that they did not HAVE to use them during that 1-hour window because they were good until park closing. Just speculation on my part, but I think they did this knowing that lines are much shorter later, and it would actually make waits shorter for all if they were used later rather than during the peak lines.

I agree.


As you also observed, the CM at the FP return usually did not say anything to anyone. If late use was "allowed but frowned upon" then I think they WOULD have said something like, "we'll accept this but please try to be on time next time" or "you're 4 hours late, we're allowed to accept these late, but you're not supposed to purposely come back hours later." Not a peep. They looked at the FP, saw that it was valid, smiled, and let us through.
I agree again. I don't think there's any question here that it wasn't frowned upon, but the question was...is it encouraged or simply tolerated. While some have heard CMs announcing to guests that they can ignor the ticket return window limit, obviously this un-official policy was unknown to a great number of people, including those who've used FP for a while.



Also, consider how many people go to WDW and don't even GET a FP because they just don't understand it.
Yes, I've considered that.
 
:thumbsup2 Just the facts, Ma'am. Buuum, ba bum bum. :)

:hippie:It's not that I mind the arguments (seeing as how I helped with the Animal House quote hijacking section) I just hate it when we start getting personal.

The bottom line is that Disney has decided to enforce the policy. Like it or not. Celebrate or Castigate. I am sure something equally celebratory/inflammatory will roll out in its place. Just my opinion.
 
1 I'm not trying to put any words in your mouth, horrible or otherwise. Your words are there for everyone to read in the preceding 100+ pages. I (and others) HAVE read what you said. We can only draw conclusions about how you feel from what you have posted.



2 If we misinterpreted you and you'd like to clarify that you do NOT, in fact, believe using a FP after the window is abusing the system at your expense then please clarify for us. Because your many posts on this subject have led us to believe that is what you were trying to say.


3 Concerning quoting you from a different thread: Believe me, I'm not "stalking" you. I happened across that other post by chance. I was merely pointing out the apparent disconnect between having such strong feelings about how negatively the late FP use affected you personally, yet on that other thread you stated that line cutting doesn't bother you (as long as they're not rude and pushing their way through). I can assure you that when using a FP after the time window, I was never rude or pushy about it. I merely went to the entrance and smiled politely to the CM as I handed them my valid FP. We can debate for another 100 pages whether late FP use is Disney's policy or not, but I think all can agree that line-cutting is against policy. So I found it odd that you were ok with the latter but rather vocally opposed to the former.

4 I believe in debating facts. So, as a "big boy," I won't be baited by little jabs into making personal insults and mistaking presenting written evidence as making a personal attack or attempting to guess anyone's personality. I merely responded to what was written. But I've grown weary of having reasoned arguments met with emotional rebuttals that merely attempt to change the subject and ignore the content of what was posted.

5 Thanks for playing. Here's your home edition and year's supply of turtle wax. Feel free to impune me all you want in your replies. I won't be responding any more.

Ok. In all honesty, I can't promise that I won't reply to ANYTHING, but if I do, it will just be a "smiley" to acknowledge that I've read the post and I'm dismissing it because I refuse to be baited.

So long and thanks for all the fish!

1. Big boys on this thread drew all the right conclusions, even if they disagree, preschool tried to put emotional tags, it is like "you just jealous..." statement. Very mature.

2. This one you got right and in my many posts I logically showed exactly why it is true, without just saying "You are wrong", so what is your point?

3. You really do not read, do you? Other thread asked "what do you do?", not "how do you feel?". There is a difference between feelings and actions. I never said cutting is not wrong but I will not form a wall the moment I join the line just in case and I also not bothering myself trying to figure out who is using late FP when I am in park. Yet I know that both affect me just like anyone else on individual level. Isn't it what I was showing on this thread? You must not know, because you did not really read it.

4. Oh, big boys do not put emotioanal tags, they read and contribute to discussion, not trying to analize why, oh why you said it this way and that way or jumping to completely wrong conclusions. Lots to learn from them.

5. I really do not care if you post or not but at least read when you reply.
 
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It was only a matter of time before Merriams dictionary was referenced. The dictionary meaning is not really of any relevance to the conversion. The question isn't what does that word mean, the question is what was Disney's published and official policy. That question seems to be easily answered by looking at A: their web site B: the posted signs at each ride and C: the ticket itself,

and D: the policy posted on the Hub, that says "let the late people in."
 
I agree with the new policy. The system was put in place so you wouldn't have to stand in line a long time plus it makes things go smoother.

At Universal you had to pay for this.

You should go all the way back to post one and start the thread from the beginning. If you do, you'll see posts based on discussions with actual people who actually designed and implemented the system, and you'll see the actual intent was that people in line can't spend money, so Disney actually implemented the actual program with the actual effect of getting actual people out of actual lines and into actual stores to actually spend actual money.

And that was, to paraphrase Bre'r Bear, "satisf-actual."

March 7th can't come soon enough... are we there yet?
 
I can't access it; you'll have to ask all those official Disney employees who access it in their daily work...

I did not ask you who has access, I do not know who owns this site, it does not say powered by Disney, so I asked you if you know. However, if only CMs has access then whatever is there is not for your or my eyes and therefore is internal info.
 
I did not ask you who has access, I do not know who owns this site, it does not say powered by Disney, so I asked you if you know. However, if only CMs has access then whatever is there is not for your or my eyes and therefore is internal info.

Well, then, thank heaven those CMs have access to it. Irregardless, my inability to access it hasn't kept any CM from letting me use my FP after the window printed on it.

You can believe what you want to believe -- if you think using FPs outside the window is "bad," then please enjoy using them inside the window. You and others can try to create an artificial universe in which Disney's actual policy is not a "policy," but the facts are the facts:

I have experienced the joy of Disney's policy of accommodating late FPs and so have thousands of others.

You can't take my joy away -- there are FOUR LIGHTS!!!
 
The back of the FP clearly states that no early returns are accepted. It does not, however, say the same thing about returns after the printed window.

As far as the scenario you were originally responding to, you said the customer wasn't given a ticket that described the policy. There was no need for a ticket because there was a clearly posted sign.

Ah, ok. The OP was making a comparison between a salon and FP. My point was that the salon featured a sign, but FP goes one step further: Each individual patron is provided, right into their hand, a ticket that tells them when to return. Hard to miss.

Regarding the early return message on the back of FPs, it will be interesting to see if that still appears on/after March 7.
 
Ah, ok. The OP was making a comparison between a salon and FP. My point was that the salon featured a sign, but FP goes one step further: Each individual patron is provided, right into their hand, a ticket that tells them when to return. Hard to miss.

Regarding the early return message on the back of FPs, it will be interesting to see if that still appears on/after March 7.

I don't expect any language on the back of Fastpasses to change until they have a need to have new ticket stock printed. Not likely they are just going to throw it away, given it has more restrictive wording on the ticket anyways regarding early entry.

Unless Morales and his group would say, "No, you can't let me in early, it says it here right on this ticket! I'm going to just stand here until it's my time!" :)
 
and D: the policy posted on the Hub, that says "let the late people in."

Technically, that "policy" appears nowhere on the HUB. Also, that document seen on this site frequently (which indicates that CMs can allow late arrivals to enter), has not been used in many, many years (and at WDW, maybe never.)

On the other hand, the media mentioned by the OP (items A, B, and C) all do appear, for everyone to see.
 
I don't expect any language on the back of Fastpasses to change until they have a need to have new ticket stock printed. Not likely they are just going to throw it away, given it has more restrictive wording on the ticket anyways regarding early entry.

Unless Morales and his group would say, "No, you can't let me in early, it says it here right on this ticket! I'm going to just stand here until it's my time!" :)

Well, supposedly this change has been planned for months, so hopefully someone used their noggin and ordered new FP paper stock some time ago.

And, excellent point, I have no doubt that there are guests that would do just that.
 
1. Big boys on this thread drew all the right conclusions, even if they disagree, preschool tried to put emotional tags, it is like "you just jealous..." statement. Very mature.

2. This one you got right and in my many posts I logically showed exactly why it is true, without just saying "You are wrong", so what is your point?

3. You really do not read, do you? Other thread asked "what do you do?", not "how do you feel?". There is a difference between feelings and actions. I never said cutting is not wrong but I will not form a wall the moment I join the line just in case and I also not bothering myself trying to figure out who is using late FP when I am in park. Yet I know that both affect me just like anyone else on individual level. Isn't it what I was showing on this thread? You must not know, because you did not really read it.

4. Oh, big boys do not put emotioanal tags, they read and contribute to discussion, not trying to analize why, oh why you said it this way and that way or jumping to completely wrong conclusions. Lots to learn from them.

5. I really do not care if you post or not but at least read when you reply.

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I have other ideas in mind for dealing with this "change", many of which are predicted upon the length of the return time windows and the printed time of next FP accessibility. My apologies if I missed this info in the previous 1000s of posts. ;) Does anyone in the know (which is a loose term here on the Dis) have imput on these 2 issues?
So far, our new touring stategy, reflective of these changes encompasses the following -
1. Morning ADRs in park only, PRIOR to rope drop in first slot.
2. Always make rope drop.
3. Brown bag snacks and lunches to allow eating while waiting.
4. Get FPs before riding, still using runner.
 
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