Fastpass Enforcement coming?

[larryz]

Is it March 7th yet?

 

[ChildAtHeart82]

I see two differences between your scenario and FP usage:...

...(2) The customer in question was not handed a ticket upon arrival that read, in bold, black print: "no post-dated checks, please."

No, in the scenario they weren't give a ticket saying that. Instead there was a big sign that said "We will not accept post dated checks." The sign conveys a much clearer prohibition than the fastpass which simply says, "Please return within the printed window." Again, the fastpass clearly prohibits early returns but not late ones.

 

[origin62]

No, in the scenario they weren't give a ticket saying that. Instead there was a big sign that said "We will not accept post dated checks." The sign conveys a much clearer prohibition than the fastpass which simply says, "Please return within the printed window." Again, the fastpass clearly prohibits early returns but not late ones.

I don't understand your response, but, you are correct: The FP clearly tells you when to return to the attraction.

 

[ChildAtHeart82]

I don't understand your response, but, you are correct: The FP clearly tells you when to return to the attraction.

The back of the FP clearly states that no early returns are accepted. It does not, however, say the same thing about returns after the printed window.

As far as the scenario you were originally responding to, you said the customer wasn't given a ticket that described the policy. There was no need for a ticket because there was a clearly posted sign.

 

[BNM]

While I'm sad that my family needs to change our touring strategy, I am interested to see what Disney eventually offers with a "new" FP system. Our new strategy will still consist of rope drops (in fact, they will become even more crucial) and the continued use of organized, research-based touring plans. The dynamics in our group require the use of babyswap (twins, nonetheless) and a GAC. We don't do a tremendous amount of sit-down dining, and will now do less in an effort to "not waste" valuable riding/watching time by sitting. Our breakfast ADRs will be done at the earliest time slot (before park opening) so that we will be in place to FP/ride/FP/ride, etc. We will send a runner to get FPs before we get on a ride so that the ticker will be going and we can accquire our 2nd set of FPs as soon as possible. We will more carefully use Hoppers, only utilizing them if the time it takes to transfer parks makes sense of their use. Our family will do more "brown bag" lunches, so we can eat in line or while strolling. Oh, and I will be open and willing to trade FPs with other families if the timing makes sense for both groups. Anyone else have thoughts on how they will tour differently under the new/enforced/whatever you want to call it system?

Sorry, I don't think they care about actual strategies. It's all about examples of situations that never quite mirror the FP situation, or someone coming up with "a proove" of their point.

But I'm interested in the actual strategies as well. One thing that would make me happy is if now I would not have to be physically present at the ride to collect FP.

One thing I'm keeping in mind is, Disney is not interested in maximizing my time riding rides. They want me waiting around shopping and eating as much as possible. This is why they are careful putting FP in each area of the park, so people will stick around in that area for a while NOT riding. This is why they let toddlers in for free. They know a parent is going to be waiting with that toddler and need a snack or whatever. And they know it's a rare 2 year old who is 40 inches tall. That would be one giant kid. So, the headliners are for 40 inches and above. Some of the time there isn't much apparent reason for the height requirement. Soarin is an example; an infant would be perfectly comfortable on that ride.

I have to say, the trading of FP sounds like a huge pain, people will clog the areas around the FP distribution even more than now, and it will just be a mess. And also they are "non-transferable". Let's let Morales chew on that, shall we?

Does anyone remember how it was when FP was first implemented? Was it rough?

 

[maxiesmom]

Is it March 7th yet?

Nope. If it was, I would be at WDW swimming with my niece instead of home, on the computer, eating chicken soup. Trying to decide between college hoops and nascar.

 

[mattsdragon]

So I hear they're going to start enforcing the refillable mug rules on March 7th.

 

[cm8]

So I hear they're going to start enforcing the refillable mug rules on March 7th.

, well about time they enforced that too

 

[doconeill]

So I hear they're going to start enforcing the refillable mug rules on March 7th.

Yup, you'll need to show a receipt and your KTTW card just to get in the fill station line (which you would think would be shorter but between the confusion and the X-Pass resort guests getting FOTL preference will take longer, so new wait time indicators will be in place, and every 7th guest will be given a timing card), and then another CM at each fill station will check again, so no switching receipts or cards.

5 CMs will be added at each resort each day to manage the lines, to save the $2.00 in soda syrup...

 

[mom2rtk]

I have a really hush hush...... deeply insider bit of information to share. It's vitally important that everyone keep it hush hush........

Managers will be manning the fastpass stations only on odd numbered days starting 3/7. On even days they will be at the soda fountains. Sooooo..... you can use late fp's on even days, and use last year's mugs on odd days........ Keep this under your hats, ok?

 

[mattsdragon]

I have a really hush hush...... deeply insider bit of information to share. It's vitally important that everyone keep it hush hush........

Managers will be manning the fastpass stations only on odd numbered days starting 3/7. On even days they will be at the soda fountains. Sooooo..... you can use late fp's on even days, and use last year's mugs on odd days........ Keep this under your hats, ok?

You know what that means. . .

POOL HOPPING EVERYDAY!!!!

Actually, as a DVC member, I am already better than everyone else and can enjoy this privledge already, but now I can't look down my nose on you. .[ .hoppers.

 

[doconeill]

You know what that means. . .

POOL HOPPING EVERYDAY!!!!

Actually, as a DVC member, I am already better than everyone else and can enjoy this privledge already, but now I can't look down my nose on you. .[ .hoppers.

Ah, but we get pool hopping AND X-Pass...so we're still better.

 

[mattsdragon]

Ah, but we get pool hopping AND X-Pass...so we're still better.

Good, because there is nothing I enjoy more than looking down my nose at the "little" people.

 

[Castillo Mom]

Wow, I'm totally out of the loop on multiple levels. Didn't know about the new FP policy, hadn't heard about X -pass and I just found out about the restaurant reservation policy as well. Our last trip was in October so it hasn't been that long that I've been away from the boards.

 

[MELSMICE]

Sorry, I don't think they care about actual strategies. It's all about examples of situations that never quite mirror the FP situation, or someone coming up with "a proove" of their point.

I know it's not you that keeps typing this, but I have to ask......what does "proove" mean? I looked it up on dictionary.com & it said "No results found".

I'm lost..........what the heck does it mean?

 

[BNM]

I know it's not you that keeps typing this, but I have to ask......what does "proove" mean? I looked it up on dictionary.com & it said "No results found".

I'm lost..........what the heck does it mean?

It's a tenet or principle, commonly employed by Morales, to provide support for an idea or concept.

Usually I just skip over the grammar and spelling errors. This is a message board, not someone's thesis. If I see the same thing over and over, however, I just can't resist; is that wrong?

 

[mattsdragon]

That Morales was such a deeply involved philosophical mind. But I learned that you can't just use a gender specific pronoun, morales transcends such labels.

I am currently working on my Doctoral Thesis. . ."Zen, Morales, and the Art of Fast Pass Strategy".

My entire theory is going to be shot come March 7th. I guess I'll have to change it to "Zen, Morales, and the Art of Potty Breaks".

 

[vacationclub]

Originally Posted by vacationclub
I'm sure it's possible that some CMs let the cat out of the bag in personal interactions with guests....acting on their own.

Yes, but whether the knowledge was widespread or not makes absolutely no difference in how appropriate it might be to use FPs in a way someone was told was OK.

In a retail store where a return policy is posted that all returns will be given in store credit, I've been able to get my money given back to me for my return with a polite conversation with the manager. In no way is that somehow unfair to the other customers who got only store credit instead.

I agree, was this response meant for me? Because I've never discussed appropriateness.

Apparently far less than those doing it for late windows. As I've said before, I've personally heard over a dozen CMs say the FPs were good until park close, and we have only made two trips to WDW.

I find this fascinating. Every time I've gone through a fast pass line, and past a CM checking the FP's, I've never heard them utter a peep. They glance at the pass while you walk by and show it to them. They do this multiple times per minute. Unless someone either A: asks them a question, or B: forces the CM to stop them (because they are in the wrong line or returning early, etc).
I've made dozens of trips to Disney and never heard a CM talk about this and you've heard it a dozen times in two trips.

I'm curious, were you initiating a conversation with the CM? Were you hanging out near the CM's post, listening in to potential conversations? How have you amassed so many experiences of hearing CMs discuss this openly in just two trips, when such a large part of the public has never even heard of this exception?

 

[magicbob]

I'm curious, were you initiating a conversation with the CM? Were you hanging out near the CM's post, listening in to potential conversations? How have you amassed so many experiences of hearing CMs discuss this openly in just two trips, when such a large part of the public has never even heard of this exception?

My experience was not at the FP entrance, but at the FP distribution station. As people were getting their FPs, the CMs were informing them that they did not HAVE to use them during that 1-hour window because they were good until park closing. Just speculation on my part, but I think they did this knowing that lines are much shorter later, and it would actually make waits shorter for all if they were used later rather than during the peak lines. As you also observed, the CM at the FP return usually did not say anything to anyone. If late use was "allowed but frowned upon" then I think they WOULD have said something like, "we'll accept this but please try to be on time next time" or "you're 4 hours late, we're allowed to accept these late, but you're not supposed to purposely come back hours later." Not a peep. They looked at the FP, saw that it was valid, smiled, and let us through.

Also, consider how many people go to WDW and don't even GET a FP because they just don't understand it. Given the level of ignorance (I don't mean that in an insulting way) about FP, it's understandable that even if they heard a CM saying it, they might not comprehend this.

 

[magicbob]

Didn't I already explain when and how it bothers me? Did you read what I said? You can try to put as many horrible words in my mouth as you wish, but does it really makes them my words? Go on, draw conclusions, try to guess my personality, you are on your own. I only play with big boys.

I'm not trying to put any words in your mouth, horrible or otherwise. Your words are there for everyone to read in the preceding 100+ pages. I (and others) HAVE read what you said. We can only draw conclusions about how you feel from what you have posted.

If we misinterpreted you and you'd like to clarify that you do NOT, in fact, believe using a FP after the window is abusing the system at your expense then please clarify for us. Because your many posts on this subject have led us to believe that is what you were trying to say.

Concerning quoting you from a different thread: Believe me, I'm not "stalking" you. I happened across that other post by chance. I was merely pointing out the apparent disconnect between having such strong feelings about how negatively the late FP use affected you personally, yet on that other thread you stated that line cutting doesn't bother you (as long as they're not rude and pushing their way through). I can assure you that when using a FP after the time window, I was never rude or pushy about it. I merely went to the entrance and smiled politely to the CM as I handed them my valid FP. We can debate for another 100 pages whether late FP use is Disney's policy or not, but I think all can agree that line-cutting is against policy. So I found it odd that you were ok with the latter but rather vocally opposed to the former.

I believe in debating facts. So, as a "big boy," I won't be baited by little jabs into making personal insults and mistaking presenting written evidence as making a personal attack or attempting to guess anyone's personality. I merely responded to what was written. But I've grown weary of having reasoned arguments met with emotional rebuttals that merely attempt to change the subject and ignore the content of what was posted.

Thanks for playing. Here's your home edition and year's supply of turtle wax. Feel free to impune me all you want in your replies. I won't be responding any more.

Ok. In all honesty, I can't promise that I won't reply to ANYTHING, but if I do, it will just be a "smiley" to acknowledge that I've read the post and I'm dismissing it because I refuse to be baited.

So long and thanks for all the fish!