Fast Pass to become "Pay for Play"?

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I'm disappointed that the web busters seem to have taken over some of the Boards and threads recently. Hopefully the Board monitors will get to the bottom of it quickly so we can get back to a disboards that is viable, not one plagued by people with nothing better to do.
I've seen how these folks can bring down a perfectly legitimate information board and it's not pretty. One financial information board I used to access has turned into nothing more than web busters getting as crude as they possibly can with each other and totally pushing people with legitimate information off. BE GONE WITH YOU. :earsgirl: :earsboy: :earsboy: :earsgirl:
 
For the record, I'm not against Disney perking their fastpass. It's their fastpass and whatever system they put in place, I'll be able to change what I do to get the most out of things. I'm not really for it mind you, but I'm not against it either. And also for the record, I don't claim any inside expertise in the matter. So I don't really know what they're thinking of doing.

But I don't think it will happen in the form that was presented in the article. If they were going to use it as a benefit only to deluxe resorts, it must be to encourage you to stay there getting them more money. When is fastpass most valuable. Peak. But I would think Peak is when they least have trouble filling up. Otherwise they wouldn't charge more for the room. When is fastpass least valuable. Slack. That's the time they offer alot of discounts (I got one) on the rooms. So they'd be in effect offering an incentive that is at its most effective when they need it least and at its least effective when they need it most. That's not to mention the backlash they'd get.

It's far more likely they would use the system to track your spending and riding habits than merely offer it as a perk to some categories of their hotel guests. For example. If they allow early access to the fastpass system, then they can track demand by how many were issued and call in that part time operater an hour early as needed. It might be offered as a perk to some guests but also be allowed to be purchased as an add on to the ticket price by others. They would of course have to tweak the system so that the fastpasses weren't all gobbled up by the time one got to the gate. Otherwise no one would bother to get the add on. There are several things they could do with it. I'd say they might integrate it in with other perks (say 5% off everything) Kind of make it like a Kroger Supermarket Card. You know, have the same sales they always had but now require the use of the card (which would be your hotel card of course) to track your habits and spending. Then the next year when your home, here comes the offer tailered specifically to you.
Wow. Look at this offer from Disney. We really scrimped on food last time and ate outside the complex alot. but they're offering the meal plan to us at 20% off!!! I know we were going to wait a few more months before going back again But Lets do it!!! The other thing they can do with it is make it like one of those Vegas cards. Track everything you do with it and reward accordingly. How easy to just set up a sytem whereby they track exactly what you spend and then give you rewards for it. I would think these sorts of things would be far more valuable to Disney than just making it a perk for Deluxe guests.

Like I said. I have mixed feelings about these big brother sort of things, but the cat is not only out of the bag, he's down the street and over 3 fences. So it's either live with it, or don't use credit cards or anything else that can be tracked.

Minklady. Given your attitude, you should be AGAINST more perks to the Deluxe resorts. . You wouldn't want rif raf like me that would ever choose to stay at a value resort and spend money on other things to actually decide it's suddenly worth the extra money to stay in the room next door to you would you? Before you know it, I'll be actually bringing an Ice Chest (GASP) and my own sandwich (DOUBLE GASP) to a deluxe resort (SWOON.). I mean it's bad enough that Disney even lets me breathe the same air as someone vastly superior to others such as yourself, but to top it off, you actually have to look at us while in the parks. In your own words, "how embarrassing" Perhaps, if you lobby hard enough, rather than give you more perks, they can give you fewer to discourage us rif raf from even thinking about staying at a deluxe. Besides, seeing as how you're the ultimate authority on how others should spend their hard earned money, who better than you to tell Disney their money should be spent in a better way. They should build a magic dukedom or a magic barrony (notoriously inferior to the Magic Kingdom of course) for those that choose to conserve on funds. Then, the Magic Kingdom could become the first "exclusive" theme park in the United States. Of course it could no longer be called the Magic Kingdom. We'd have to call it, "The Enclave at Disney World." or something snazzy like that so you'd be reminded it was "exclusive" I mean it truly isn't fun unless the rif raf is deprived of it. Oh my!! did I just say snazzy? What a rif raf word.

Wow Johnfish, there's no need to take things so seriously, I'm certainly not trying to attack the value resort guests who behave properly.

Alright. Now I'm flattered. HAHA all the rest of the majority of you value people. I'm now better than you!!! Oh wait. I took a sandwich into a theme park once and just used the word "snazzy." Darn. I was proto-elite for all of 3 seconds (sigh) You never made such distinctions in your posts untill after you got called on it. Now you're backtracking because you've been exposed.

It's funny because I've read this entire thread and it seems that those people who believe the way I do about the fast passes really end up getting attacked (along with DVC members and even AP holders)

Oh yes, I knew what was coming next, the old you're persecuting me for my beliefs comeback. You got caught being prejidiced against a whole class of hotel guests merely because some of them are from a different station in life and got called on your snobbish attitude. Your cracks about the behavior of value guests and at someone who's economizing by eating their own food certainly have absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand, ie wanting fastpass as a perk. So You're certainly not being persecuted for your stance on the fastpass. You're not being persecuted at all. You're taking well deserved flack for your bad attitude.
 
tlbwriter said:
You guys don't really think this "minklady" person is real, do you? :rotfl2:
If she/he is, they aren't down to earth & in touch with reality! I hope their income level stays at what it is, heaven forbid it they lost it. They would starve to death because embarrasment would take them over :rotfl: There is the proof that you can find trash even in a deluxe resort :earboy2: How dare they lump value guests into one walk of life :sad2:
Now back to the fast pass topic of the post.... I hope they don't do that. It is unfair to us frequent guests ...who do not stay in a delux every trip. As I said before, add up what I spend over the year & compare it to Minklady's once a year delux. I think I am spending more in the long run.

And a PS to Minklady her self:

Minklady...I am a poster who has stayed at The Poly (concierge), The Contemporary, The Board Walk, The Beach Club, Fort Wilderness Homes, Every Moderate & Every Value, which group would you place me in? I hope not yours, you can put me with the Value Guest.... I sure wouldn't want to rub shoulders with you. Your type are the type that embarrass me with your snubby attitude.
 
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You guys don't really think this "minklady" person is real, do you?


CHOMP ZINNNNNG!!! I'M HOOKED!!! I should know better too. Just call me lollypop.


The fact is there are good and bad people in all walks of life. And even good people are sometimes bad. And yes I've taken a sandwich into a theme park before . It wasn't Disney. It wasn't against the rules at the time. They let you bring in your own Ice chest and everything. Of course a ton of that changed due to security. But I'm amazed that anyone would look down on someone for bringing in a sandwich.
 

[Referring to "New Coke."] It's only the most glaring example of bad decision making we've seen in recent years
It surely was NOT a bad decision. It was a very good decision that had an unpredicted negative outcome. BIG difference!!! And, both good decisions that have such remarkable negative outcomes, as well as radically bad decisions, are remarkably rare among the decisions made by world-class companies.

I feel like I have to put in my two cents. Since Universal implemented a similar plan, I have never gone back. I refuse to spend the kind of money a vacation costs to be treated like a second-class citizen. If Disney goes forward with this plan, I will not go back. As simple as that. You can talk about Disney being a company and that it is unreasonable for them not to consider profit. However, the Disney Empire is built on customer satisfaction.
I think you're not giving Universal Studios enough credit. While Disney has traditionally beaten Universal Studios in many respects, the reality is that many times in the past, Universal Studios has read the market a little better with respect to certain things, like thrill rides. While many Disney afficiantos lauded Disney's reserve in going that route, the reality is that Disney misread the market and lost some significant ground by failing to capitalize on what customers are willing to pay for. Indeed, that's really a good parallel. Many folks were very critical of Disney when they started adding thrill rides, yet it is clear that every thrill ride the add gains them back more and more of the market share they've lost. The customers are voting with their wallets, without much deference to what we long-term Disney fans want.

This system will alienate a lot of people and in the long run it will have a negative impact on their business.
I think some of the implementations we've discussed, such as providing FastPasses to deluxe resort guests, will attract a lot of people, and will have a positive impact on their business.

There is no real right or wrong answer here.
In terms of what people like and don't like, you're absolutely correct. Each person's personal preference is the "right answer" for them. For a business, by definition, the right answer is, of course, whatever best serves long-term shareholder value. That really highlights the inherent conflict between the consumer perspective and the business perspective. They're often contrary to each other. And that's really a key aspect of discussions like this -- keeping a clear distinction in our minds between what we like and don't like, versus between what's a good business decision and what's a bad business decision.

I made the point early on that somebody staying in a value for 2 weeks annually would spend more at WDW than someone staying in a deluxe for 1 week every 6 years. Your argument makes no sense.
Only if you look at it too narrowly. Ask yourself: What it the probability of any specific value resort guest doing as you suggest? Pretty low. On the average, deluxe resort guests probably spend more money than value resort guests. We're both guessing (although, I admit, I'm not really guessing <grin>), but the fact is that the professionals at Disney actually know... so they can make the best decision from a position of authority, with respect to the available information about the customer-base.
 
bicker said:
It surely was NOT a bad decision. It was a very good decision that had an unpredicted negative outcome. BIG difference!!! And, both good decisions that have such remarkable negative outcomes, as well as radically bad decisions, are remarkably rare among the decisions made by world-class companies.

Okay, whatever you say. Calm down and come to nursey...
 
This is getting silly:)
Maybe you should add the people at the pool one night at pofq a (moderate)
they were all screaming at each other , swearing etc, they were finally kicked out of the pool ,,,, They must have escaped from their value resort:)
People of all income levels stay at the value resorts, There are many reasons why people who can afford the deluxes dont stay there.
kids are a big reason, sure wouldnt want to stand in a line that had children in it that would be terrible:)
I just dont see the point of attacking people on these boards, everyone has different opinions and its fun to debate stuff, but when people get mean it needs to quit.
 
jarestel said:
Okay, whatever you say. Calm down and come to nursey...
I was a bit confused, earlier, when I read some messages indicating that members were being rude to members who disagreed with them. I must have been reading through the messages too quickly. Your reply is an uncalled-for, juvenile response. If you have something constructive to say, please say it. If you're just going to pollute the discussions with childish come-backs to people who make a points contrary to what you'd like, please keep your comments to yourself. Thanks.
 
bicker said:
Only if you look at it too narrowly. Ask yourself: What it the probability of any specific value resort guest doing as you suggest? Pretty low. On the average, deluxe resort guests probably spend more money than value resort guests.

Just wondering why you think the probability of a value resort guest eating, shopping and paying theme park admission each time they stay for 2 weeks is pretty low :confused3
 
bicker said:
I was a bit confused, earlier, when I read some messages indicating that members were being rude to members who disagreed with them. I must have been reading through the messages too quickly. Your reply is an uncalled-for, juvenile response. If you have something constructive to say, please say it. If you're just going to pollute the discussions with childish come-backs to people who make a points contrary to what you'd like, please keep your comments to yourself. Thanks.

Sorry bicker. I thought your rationalization for bad decisions was an attempt at humor. If you were serious, then you're right, my attempt at humor in response was uncalled for. I apologize.
 
The success of Disney is marketing itself as THE family vacation destination in the country. A perk that helps fill deluxe resorts at higher prices is a plus for the shareholders. A perk that does that at the expense of value guests could be a negative. Particularly if it makes those guests feel unwanted or second class guests.

I generally stay in deluxe resorts and spend time in the resort pool. A change that would increase the price of deluxe hotels and require a deluxe stay in order to have reasonable service would cause me to go back to "commando" mode and reduce the number of nights I stay. It would probably also reduce the number of table service meals. Basically I'd stay onsite just to go to the parks. My trip would either be shorter or I'd stay part of my trip offsite. There are several deluxe hotels offsite that have better pricing and MUCH BETTER SERVICE than the Disney deluxe hotels.

BTW you're 100% right regarding Coke. All of the blind taste tests indicated consumers preferred the "new Coke" and I've read Coke quietly reformulated Coke to be close to the original new Coke.






bicker said:
I think some of the implementations we've discussed, such as providing FastPasses to deluxe resort guests, will attract a lot of people, and will have a positive impact on their business.

In terms of what people like and don't like, you're absolutely correct. Each person's personal preference is the "right answer" for them. For a business, by definition, the right answer is, of course, whatever best serves long-term shareholder value. That really highlights the inherent conflict between the consumer perspective and the business perspective. They're often contrary to each other. And that's really a key aspect of discussions like this -- keeping a clear distinction in our minds between what we like and don't like, versus between what's a good business decision and what's a bad business decision.
 
Maybe there's something I'm just not getting. Disney's hotel construction in recent years has been in two areas: value resorts and DVC resorts. Why on Earth would they want to risk alienating the patrons who stay in those resorts?

Personally, I don't think they will. I'm in the camp that says that this is just speculation based on a very broad patent application. I've been to WDW on one of those days where Splash Mountain FPs were completely gone for the day by 11:00 AM. Still, I don't think that the Fast Pass system is broken, so why fix it?
 
The last three non-DVC resorts that Disney built are POP, CSR and AKL. One of each.

If Splash Mountain FP's are gone by 11:00a when will they be gone if all the FP, or at least a portion of them, are allocated for Disney resort guests. Those guests not in the special category may be unable to get a FP at all. Standby line will be hours long, assuming they don't have to close it completely.




jenelope said:
Maybe there's something I'm just not getting. Disney's hotel construction in recent years has been in two areas: value resorts and DVC resorts. Why on Earth would they want to risk alienating the patrons who stay in those resorts?

Personally, I don't think they will. I'm in the camp that says that this is just speculation based on a very broad patent application. I've been to WDW on one of those days where Splash Mountain FPs were completely gone for the day by 11:00 AM. Still, I don't think that the Fast Pass system is broken, so why fix it?
 
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