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Actually I’m going to disagree with the suggestion that well-rounded is what colleges are looking for nowadays. That’s no longer a hook. They like students that are sharp- they want them to volunteer of course but they also like students that are particularly dedicated in one field. They want them to be exceptional in that field but they like sharp students more than well-rounded nowadays.

Focusing on a single passion or two (especially if you can turn that passion into volunteer work and leadership experience) is extremely desirable vs dabbling a lot in many different areas. Students nowadays need to fit a niche more than ever before.
 
I have mixed feelings on this concept.
Public ivy is not a real term -- came from a book /can't remember the title. It's something people have made up to mean "very competitive, high-quality public school" - probably your state's flagship school. Ivy League is a specific group of schools.
You can't know for sure whether your student will qualify for scholarships -- you just have to apply and see how it goes. The criteria for scholarships varies widely: almost all require strong grades, but some require financial need, some require that the student comes from a specific area or plan to study a specific discipline. Some are based on community service or participation in specific clubs. And let's not forget athletics.
Yes, in my experience teaching high school seniors, this is true. I'm thinking of a student of mine from 3-4 years ago: she had a GPA of less than 2.0, so I was surprised when she told me she'd been offered a scholarship from a lackluster private school.

Also, it's wise to be cautious though: some private schools give out freshman-year only scholarships to "hook" new students, and then those students face the choice of paying full price or changing schools.
What I'm reading here is "well rounded high school experience". That's the kid who's most likely to get a scholarship. Grades alone won't do it -- I've known more than one student who's literally never made a B /was shocked that no scholarships materialized. Extra-curriculars, a progression of leadership experiences and community service all make a student's high school experience well-rounded.

Another thing that helps with scholarships -- and it's so obvious: type the application /make sure it's neat and readable, fill the application out completely, and don't bother to apply if you aren't qualified. Seriously, over the years I've been on multiple scholarship committees, and the meetings always start the same way: we go through the applications and reject the incomplete forms. I've literally never been in a scholarship meeting that didn't begin with discarding multiple forms right off the bat.


have your kids apply for every LOCAL scholarship they qualify for-search them out (through your credit union, unions, utility company, service groups.....). when my oldest was in her senior year all her classmates focused on the big statewide and national. the competition is fierce. they thought it was a waste of time for ones of several hundred dollars to a couple of thousand. i had my kid-not the highest gpa, no sports, few extracurriculars apply for everything. the result? she received the most individual scholarships in her graduating class-and most were renewable so it amounted to tens of thousands. when the college she applied to (that she wanted to go to) got notified of her scholarships (some self reported to the ones she applied to, we had to report to all she was considering re. financial aid/scholarships) she all of a sudden was awarded an additional scholarship (renewable) on top of what they had already offered.

there are scholarships that go unawarded-no one applies. there are scholarship that no one qualifies for (so if your kid has a remote interest in a major they can go ahead and declare-it can be changed later but it might qualify them for a few thousand a year like my kid got).
 
have your kids apply for every LOCAL scholarship they qualify for-search them out (through your credit union, unions, utility company, service groups.....). when my oldest was in her senior year all her classmates focused on the big statewide and national. the competition is fierce. they thought it was a waste of time for ones of several hundred dollars to a couple of thousand. i had my kid-not the highest gpa, no sports, few extracurriculars apply for everything. the result? she received the most individual scholarships in her graduating class-and most were renewable so it amounted to tens of thousands. when the college she applied to (that she wanted to go to) got notified of her scholarships (some self reported to the ones she applied to, we had to report to all she was considering re. financial aid/scholarships) she all of a sudden was awarded an additional scholarship (renewable) on top of what they had already offered.

there are scholarships that go unawarded-no one applies. there are scholarship that no one qualifies for (so if your kid has a remote interest in a major they can go ahead and declare-it can be changed later but it might qualify them for a few thousand a year like my kid got).

It seems backward thinking but if you are applying for financial aid then scholarships will not really help you. They will just reduce your aid award for the amount of the scholarship. We have seen it firsthand. Learned it with DD so did not have DS even apply for any. Now oldest DD did get several small ones and it was helpful because at that time we didn’t qualify for aid anyway.
 
It seems backward thinking but if you are applying for financial aid then scholarships will not really help you. They will just reduce your aid award for the amount of the scholarship. We have seen it firsthand. Learned it with DD so did not have DS even apply for any. Now oldest DD did get several small ones and it was helpful because at that time we didn’t qualify for aid anyway.
By aid, do you mean loans? I've read that different schools handle 3rd party scholarships differently. If they are actually reducing grants/merit aid instead of loans, then that sucks. This process is so convoluted and complicated to start off with, and then to have to research every single school to see how outside scholarships affect your aid package is over the top.
 

have your kids apply for every LOCAL scholarship they qualify for-search them out (through your credit union, unions, utility company, service groups.....). when my oldest was in her senior year all her classmates focused on the big statewide and national ...
Agree. Specific thoughts:

- Yes, few people will win the big-money scholarships, and the competition IS fierce; you've gotta genuinely be tip-top AND the right demographic in every way. Many people will be disappointed.
- These big scholarships are fewer in number every year. Back when I started teaching, our top 10 grads could expect a full-ride, and a number of our top 10% grads had full-rides. Now ... well, I haven't seen a non-military full-ride scholarship in years.
- The big-money scholarships tend to show up in the fall, while the couple-hundred scholarships tend to pop up after Christmas.
- Some students have the mistaken idea that you can only accept one scholarship.
- Some students have the mistaken idea that you don't apply to scholarships -- people seek you out.
- Many students have the mistaken idea that a couple hundred dollars isn't worth it. I often ask them, "If a $100 bill were laying on the ground, would you pick it up?" Obviously, yes. So, then, how can you say a small scholarship isn't worthwhile?
- Some students have the mistaken idea that you apply for scholarships after graduation, when your grades are 100% complete.
- Small scholarships often pay only a limited time. One of my daughters won a small scholarship that paid only freshman and sophomore year. My other daughter won the Dr. Pepper scholarship, which was a one-time check. Don't get me wrong: money is nice, but you don't want to commit to a school with the assumption that you're going to keep getting that $1000 check -- read the details; every scholarship is different.
there are scholarships that go unawarded-no one applies.
Eh, true and not true.

As I said earlier, I've been on lots of scholarship committees over the years, and PEOPLE APPLY. Both of my girls applied to 40-50 scholarships, and they aren't the only kids who did that. We graduate 300-330 seniors every year, and every year I know 15ish kids who are RABID about scholarship applications; these kids do not "skip" any reasonable scholarships.

So, yeah, kids don't apply for certain scholarships /certain scholarships go unawarded, but this comment implies "Kids are so lazy that they just don't bother", when the reality is more like "Some scholarships are so very specific that few people qualify." I have literally never seen a "general scholarship" -- by that I mean a non-specific scholarship, a scholarship for which many people are qualified -- I have never seen a "general scholarship" go unawarded.

For example, I know of a small that church really believes in education. They give a pretty good scholarship -- I want to say $5000/year -- to every graduating senior who has been an active member of the church youth group AND who has a 3.0 GPA. The money can be used at any school, for any major -- but this is a small church, and they don't have a graduating senior every year. It's not really fair to say that no one applied; it's more honest to say that no one was qualified this year.

For example, my girls were big in Girl Scouts, so we investigated scout scholarships. If anyone was qualified, it would've been my girls -- or some of their troop-mates. At the time they graduated, no scout scholarships were available in our state. One scout scholarship was available in a neighboring state, but it was only $1000 and only good at an expensive private school that wasn't interesting to my kids. Realistically, this scholarship would only go to a person who could say, "I've already chosen to attend ____ school, and this $1000 scholarship for having been in scouting is the cherry on top of my decision!"

Another example: About a decade ago one of our graduates died in a car wreck just weeks after graduation. His family tried to make some good out of this tragedy, and they started a scholarship in his name. The scholarship is only available to graduates of our high school who plan to attend ___ small school and plan to study ____. We don't have such a person every school year, so the scholarship isn't awarded every year.

Another example: My girls both attended a state school in a remote area. The area surrounding the university is sparsely populated and poor, so many of the kids born in the shadow of the university could never afford to attend. A number of scholarships that pay about 50% tuition are offered to help these kids, but the requirements are very specific: they must live in the area /must have attended the county public high school 4 years. But thing is, poor grades often accompany poverty, and many of these kids aren't admitted to the university -- and, if they aren't admitted, they can't qualify for the scholarship. And a lot of the kids who qualify don't want to go to university in their own backyard. So the reality is that only about half of the scholarships are awarded.

So, yeah, some scholarships do go unawarded ... but NOT because kids aren't trying for scholarships. General scholarships for which kids reasonably qualify, are claimed. Even the small ones.

If you want to "up" your kids' chances of scholarships, here are a couple ideas:
- In almost every situation, good grades are required.
- Extra-curriculars are necessary. Sports, band, drama, other school clubs, church youth group, community groups or sports -- they all work. Scholarship committees aren't impressed with students who are members of 5-6 clubs; rather, they'd rather see that a kid is heavily involved in 1-2 things, and they like to see a progression of involvement. They'd like to see that a kid is a member of the drama club as a freshmen, had a major part in a play as a sophomore, served as vice president as s junior and president as a senior.
- Leadership and/or community service are required for many scholarships.
- Sports scholarships are very complicated. In my area, athletes who want to be considered must register with a "clearing house" type thing, or they'll never even be considered. Coaches and/or the school's Athletic Director will help with this -- my school offers a "Come learn how to do this" night for parents and students in all sports.
- Don't bother to apply if you're not fully qualified. You're wasting time that could go to other applications.
- Type your application (or, if handwriting is required, be super-neat). Proofread the application. Sloppiness, misspelled words, or poor grammar will cut you out of the running.
- Complete the application. An amazing number of kids turn in incomplete forms. If you're not going to get teacher recommendations or aren't going to write the essay, don't bother to fill out the easy part of the application. The head of the scholarship committee will look through the forms first /will set aside the incomplete forms /the whole group will never read them.
- Meet deadlines. You will not be considered if you're late.
- Realistically, overall, who gets scholarships? Minorities, kids with financial need, kids whose parents are/were police or military, kids who plan to study nursing or education -- more options exist for those kids.
- And above all, kids who APPLY get. You can't fill out three forms and sit back to see which one will reward you. My oldest, who is my more academic kid, applied to 40-50 scholarships. She won two -- and another two over the course of her four years in college. I knew the system, so she had an advantage. Because I'm involved with the school, I know she was runner-up to -- was it two more or three more? But runner-up doesn't get paid.

It's not easy, and the majority of college students do not win any scholarships.

Last thing, when your kid wins a scholarship, MAKE HIM OR HER WRITE A THANK YOU NOTE. One of the scholarships my oldest won was from a small doctor's office. After they received her note, they called her and said, "Wow, we've been giving this scholarship for years, and yours is our first thank you note." It never hurts to stand out in a positive way.
This process is so convoluted and complicated to start off with, and then to have to research every single school to see how outside scholarships affect your aid package is over the top.
Yes, it's convoluted, but if you're going to win at this game, the research is required.

By the time your student is a senior, the list of prospective schools should be reduced to 2-3, so it shouldn't be all that much work. Students who are still considering more than this tend to think that a school-specific scholarship is going to make all the difference; in reality, this is very rare. Most scholarships are not school-specific, and those that are school-specific tend to be the big-money scholarships that are awarded relatively early.
 
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By aid, do you mean loans? I've read that different schools handle 3rd party scholarships differently. If they are actually reducing grants/merit aid instead of loans, then that sucks. This process is so convoluted and complicated to start off with, and then to have to research every single school to see how outside scholarships affect your aid package is over the top.

If I recall correctly DD’s national merit scholarship did reduce her school loan that year and the rest was financial aid awards. They still kept her full federal loan. So I guess it did help her a little but not the full amount of the scholarship. DS was awarded a late scholarship that he didn’t even apply to. It was a state specific scholarship for his out of state school.They just reduced his financial aid grants. Still had full federal loan and a small school loan.
 
By aid, do you mean loans? I've read that different schools handle 3rd party scholarships differently. If they are actually reducing grants/merit aid instead of loans, then that sucks. This process is so convoluted and complicated to start off with, and then to have to research every single school to see how outside scholarships affect your aid package is over the top.
Actually it makes sense. If one is awarded $10,000 in financial aid (not merit), and then that student gets scholarships in the amount of $5000, then they only need $5000 in financial aid.
 
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Agree. Specific thoughts:

- Yes, few people will win the big-money scholarships, and the competition IS fierce; you've gotta genuinely be tip-top AND the right demographic in every way. Many people will be disappointed.
- These big scholarships are fewer in number every year. Back when I started teaching, our top 10 grads could expect a full-ride, and a number of our top 10% grads had full-rides. Now ... well, I haven't seen a non-military full-ride scholarship in years.
- The big-money scholarships tend to show up in the fall, while the couple-hundred scholarships tend to pop up after Christmas.
- Some students have the mistaken idea that you can only accept one scholarship.
- Some students have the mistaken idea that you don't apply to scholarships -- people seek you out.
- Many students have the mistaken idea that a couple hundred dollars isn't worth it. I often ask them, "If a $100 bill were laying on the ground, would you pick it up?" Obviously, yes. So, then, how can you say a small scholarship isn't worthwhile?
- Some students have the mistaken idea that you apply for scholarships after graduation, when your grades are 100% complete.
- Small scholarships often pay only a limited time. One of my daughters won a small scholarship that paid only freshman and sophomore year. My other daughter won the Dr. Pepper scholarship, which was a one-time check. Don't get me wrong: money is nice, but you don't want to commit to a school with the assumption that you're going to keep getting that $1000 check -- read the details; every scholarship is different.
Eh, true and not true.

As I said earlier, I've been on lots of scholarship committees over the years, and PEOPLE APPLY. Both of my girls applied to 40-50 scholarships, and they aren't the only kids who did that. We graduate 300-330 seniors every year, and every year I know 15ish kids who are RABID about scholarship applications; these kids do not "skip" any reasonable scholarships.

So, yeah, kids don't apply for certain scholarships /certain scholarships go unawarded, but this comment implies "Kids are so lazy that they just don't bother", when the reality is more like "Some scholarships are so very specific that few people qualify." I have literally never seen a "general scholarship" -- by that I mean a non-specific scholarship, a scholarship for which many people are qualified -- I have never seen a "general scholarship" go unawarded.

For example, I know of a small that church really believes in education. They give a pretty good scholarship -- I want to say $5000/year -- to every graduating senior who has been an active member of the church youth group AND who has a 3.0 GPA. The money can be used at any school, for any major -- but this is a small church, and they don't have a graduating senior every year. It's not really fair to say that no one applied; it's more honest to say that no one was qualified this year.

For example, my girls were big in Girl Scouts, so we investigated scout scholarships. If anyone was qualified, it would've been my girls -- or some of their troop-mates. At the time they graduated, no scout scholarships were available in our state. One scout scholarship was available in a neighboring state, but it was only $1000 and only good at an expensive private school that wasn't interesting to my kids. Realistically, this scholarship would only go to a person who could say, "I've already chosen to attend ____ school, and this $1000 scholarship for having been in scouting is the cherry on top of my decision!"

Another example: About a decade ago one of our graduates died in a car wreck just weeks after graduation. His family tried to make some good out of this tragedy, and they started a scholarship in his name. The scholarship is only available to graduates of our high school who plan to attend ___ small school and plan to study ____. We don't have such a person every school year, so the scholarship isn't awarded every year.

Another example: My girls both attended a state school in a remote area. The area surrounding the university is sparsely populated and poor, so many of the kids born in the shadow of the university could never afford to attend. A number of scholarships that pay about 50% tuition are offered to help these kids, but the requirements are very specific: they must live in the area /must have attended the county public high school 4 years. But thing is, poor grades often accompany poverty, and many of these kids aren't admitted to the university -- and, if they aren't admitted, they can't qualify for the scholarship. And a lot of the kids who qualify don't want to go to university in their own backyard. So the reality is that only about half of the scholarships are awarded.

So, yeah, some scholarships do go unawarded ... but NOT because kids aren't trying for scholarships. General scholarships for which kids reasonably qualify, are claimed. Even the small ones.

If you want to "up" your kids' chances of scholarships, here are a couple ideas:
- In almost every situation, good grades are required.
- Extra-curriculars are necessary. Sports, band, drama, other school clubs, church youth group, community groups or sports -- they all work. Scholarship committees aren't impressed with students who are members of 5-6 clubs; rather, they'd rather see that a kid is heavily involved in 1-2 things, and they like to see a progression of involvement. They'd like to see that a kid is a member of the drama club as a freshmen, had a major part in a play as a sophomore, served as vice president as s junior and president as a senior.
- Leadership and/or community service are required for many scholarships.
- Sports scholarships are very complicated. In my area, athletes who want to be considered must register with a "clearing house" type thing, or they'll never even be considered. Coaches and/or the school's Athletic Director will help with this -- my school offers a "Come learn how to do this" night for parents and students in all sports.
- Don't bother to apply if you're not fully qualified. You're wasting time that could go to other applications.
- Type your application (or, if handwriting is required, be super-neat). Proofread the application. Sloppiness, misspelled words, or poor grammar will cut you out of the running.
- Complete the application. An amazing number of kids turn in incomplete forms. If you're not going to get teacher recommendations or aren't going to write the essay, don't bother to fill out the easy part of the application. The head of the scholarship committee will look through the forms first /will set aside the incomplete forms /the whole group will never read them.
- Meet deadlines. You will not be considered if you're late.
- Realistically, overall, who gets scholarships? Minorities, kids with financial need, kids whose parents are/were police or military, kids who plan to study nursing or education -- more options exist for those kids.
- And above all, kids who APPLY get. You can't fill out three forms and sit back to see which one will reward you. My oldest, who is my more academic kid, applied to 40-50 scholarships. She won two -- and another two over the course of her four years in college. I knew the system, so she had an advantage. Because I'm involved with the school, I know she was runner-up to -- was it two more or three more? But runner-up doesn't get paid.

It's not easy, and the majority of college students do not win any scholarships.

Last thing, when your kid wins a scholarship, MAKE HIM OR HER WRITE A THANK YOU NOTE. One of the scholarships my oldest won was from a small doctor's office. After they received her note, they called her and said, "Wow, we've been giving this scholarship for years, and yours is our first thank you note." It never hurts to stand out in a positive way.
My kids always sent thank you notes. Dd22 won the highest rotate scholarship, $1500 a year for 4 years. She needs to show proof of enrollment, and with it she writes a short note letting them know her grades, what she’s up to in college, and thanks them again for choosing her. This scholarship is so old school, representatives of the organization show up on your doorstep.
 
Actually I’m going to disagree with the suggestion that well-rounded is what colleges are looking for nowadays. That’s no longer a hook. They like students that are sharp- they want them to volunteer of course but they also like students that are particularly dedicated in one field. They want them to be exceptional in that field but they like sharp students more than well-rounded nowadays.

Focusing on a single passion or two (especially if you can turn that passion into volunteer work and leadership experience) is extremely desirable vs dabbling a lot in many different areas. Students nowadays need to fit a niche more than ever before.

So one of the colleges mine applied to sent us their comments on her acceptance - Sarah Lawrence (she did not go to Sarah Lawrence) and well rounded was exactly what they were looking for. BUT that's Sarah Lawrence, one of the liberal artyist liberal arts schools out there.
 
Another example: My girls both attended a state school in a remote area. The area surrounding the university is sparsely populated and poor, so many of the kids born in the shadow of the university could never afford to attend. A number of scholarships that pay about 50% tuition are offered to help these kids, but the requirements are very specific: they must live in the area /must have attended the county public high school 4 years. But thing is, poor grades often accompany poverty, and many of these kids aren't admitted to the university -- and, if they aren't admitted, they can't qualify for the scholarship. And a lot of the kids who qualify don't want to go to university in their own backyard. So the reality is that only about half of the scholarships are awarded.

Mine goes to an urban school nestled in a decidedly working class neighborhood. Any student who qualifies to get into the school, lives within a mile, and has graduated from the local public school system gets a full ride (tuition, they need to pay if they want to live on campus). And in 20+ years of offering it, sometimes no one qualifies. Its a selective school - the surrounding neighborhoods aren't great. And, as you said, the kids that do qualify are often very attractive scholarship candidates at other schools - and can get out of the neighborhood.
 
It seems backward thinking but if you are applying for financial aid then scholarships will not really help you. They will just reduce your aid award for the amount of the scholarship. We have seen it firsthand. Learned it with DD so did not have DS even apply for any. Now oldest DD did get several small ones and it was helpful because at that time we didn’t qualify for aid anyway.
By aid, do you mean loans? I've read that different schools handle 3rd party scholarships differently. If they are actually reducing grants/merit aid instead of loans, then that sucks. This process is so convoluted and complicated to start off with, and then to have to research every single school to see how outside scholarships affect your aid package is over the top.

the university dd went to (as did several public and private her friends went to) subtracted inside (university awarded) and outside scholarships first from any 'non free money'-loans (unsubsidized first then subsidized), then any work study eligibility, then state financial aid (we have an income based state program similar to the pell), and then finally pell. if a person got to the point where their scholarships were eliminating all their loans and work study then they basically had a free ride for that academic year.


So, yeah, some scholarships do go unawarded ... but NOT because kids aren't trying for scholarships. General scholarships for which kids reasonably qualify, are claimed. Even the small ones.

that just wasn't the case around here-it seems the mindset was that if it was less than 4 figures it wasn't worth it :sad2: . there was one local that we know that dd was the only applicant for. just a few hundred but every bit helps. we learned of another that was very generous (several thousand per year) that was renewable for up to 5 full years of attendance. it initially had a very specific applicant pool but went unawarded b/c of that for a few years so the foundation that administered it reworked it to open it up to a very large population and did a campaign on their website/shout outs to the public and private high schools to solicit applicants. nothing, not a word. i finally reached out to a friend whose son easily met the expanded criteria but was already a freshman in college, and suggested he contact the foundation to see if they would consider accepting an application from him. he did and they said if they received none from any high school students they would contact him to apply..........a couple months later after their twice extended application deadline they contacted him and after submitting an application was awarded several thousand (and received it for the following 4 years).
 

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