Explosions and shootings in Paris

The answer to your question is obvious. White, anglo-saxon lives are more important than those other lives. I hate to say that. But, we all know it's true.

That's a terrible way to view the situation. I hope you're joking. All lives should matter to you and everybody else.

As far as the attention given to France, the answer IS obvious. We have a far greater connection to France culturally and historically. The French mainland is also not in the middle of, or near, a fairly active warring zone. When an attack happens in an area known for violent conflict - like in Kenya and Lebanon - it isn't nearly as shocking and therefore less likely to generate as much attention. An attack on France is much more relatable to us because it is very similar to an attack happening here.

I guarantee those in Lebanon and Kenya are also less likely to be following what crises we are dealing with than those in England or France.
 
This is fascinating. Thank you. I remember reading an article in the New Yorker about two years ago talking about who was more likely to be drawn into a radical lifestyle of any type, including a cult. Apparently, the more social "eggs" one has in the basket (wealth, education, engaged parents, health, mental health, friends, hobbies, talents, extended family, pets, spouse, children, etc) the more grounded to social/economic/community stability you are. Of course, this is for people who have basic mental health, because there are extremes. Disenfranchisement occurs when the eggs start coming out of the basket due to economic instability or family ******* or any number of things. As the elements to stability fall away, the individual becomes vulnerable to any force that makes the person feel special and important. It is very difficult to drag a happy, stable, satisfied person away from his or her life. Certainly not impossible, but difficult.

And worth considering in handling the humanitarian issue of the refugee crisis. By and large they are a destitute and desperate people simply fleeing from horrific danger. Harsh or indifferent treatment in the west may leave some vulnerable putty, questioning which is the lesser of two evils.
 
Which homegrown terrorists have committed acts of terror in the name of their Christian religion? Or shouted Christian phrases in the midst of their killing similar to Allah Akbar?

I know it's Wikipedia but it is true.

Contemporary American Christian terrorism can be motivated by a violent desire to implement a Reconstructionist or Dominionist ideology.[95] Dominion Theology insists that Christians are called by God to (re)build society on Christian values to subjugate the earth and establish dominion over all things, as a pre-requisite for the second coming of Christ.[96] Political violence motivated by dominion theology is a violent extension of the desire to impose a select version of Christianity on other Christians, as well as on non-Christians.

After 1981, members of groups such as the Army of God began attacking abortion clinics and doctors across the United States.[97][98][99] A number of terrorist attacks were attributed by Bruce Hoffman to individuals and groups with ties to the Christian Identity and Christian Patriot movements, including the Lambs of Christ.[100] A group called Concerned Christians was deported from Israel on suspicion of planning to attack holy sites in Jerusalem at the end of 1999; they believed that their deaths would "lead them to heaven".[101][102]

Eric Robert Rudolph carried out the Centennial Olympic Park bombing in 1996, as well as subsequent attacks on an abortion clinic and a lesbian nightclub. Michael Barkun, a professor at Syracuse University, considers Rudolph to likely fit the definition of a Christian terrorist. James A. Aho, a professor at Idaho State University, argues that religious considerations inspired Rudolph only in part.[103]

Terrorism scholar Aref M. Al-Khattar has listed The Covenant, The Sword, and the Arm of the Lord (CSA), Defensive Action, the Montana Freemen, and some "Christian militia" as groups that "can be placed under the category of far-right-wing terrorism" that "has a religious (Christian) component".[104]

In 1996 three men—Charles Barbee, Robert Berry and Jay Merelle—were charged with two bank robberies and bombings at the banks, a Spokane newspaper, and a Planned Parenthood office in Washington State. The men were anti-Semitic Christian Identity theorists who believed that God wanted them to carry out violent attacks and that such attacks will hasten the ascendancy of the Aryan race.[105]

In 2011, analyst Daryl Johnson of the United States Department of Homeland Security said that the Hutaree Christian militia movement possessed more weapons than the combined weapons holdings of all Islamic terror defendants charged in the US since the September 11 attacks.[106]

In 2015, Robert Doggart, a former right-wing Congressional candidate, was arrested by the FBI while planning a terror attack on New York Muslims. The FBI says Doggart was planning to firebomb and burn down a mosque, school, and other buildings, and to use an M-4 assault rifle, a handgun, Molotov cocktails, a pistol, and a machete to kill anyone who resisted him. He faces five years in prison and was released on $30,000 bail after pleading guilty to a single count of interstate communication of threats. As noted by the criminal complaint, Doggart spoke of his willingness to sacrifice his life to prove his "commitment to our God". He also exhorted his followers to be "cruel" to Muslims, to burn down their mosque, kill them, and even to cut them to shreds with a machete. Doggart's defense attorneys said that their client is an ordained minister in the Christian National Church, has numerous degrees and certificates, and is a veteran. According to court documents, Doggart is a member of several "private militia groups"
 

Which homegrown terrorists have committed acts of terror in the name of their Christian religion? Or shouted Christian phrases in the midst of their killing similar to Allah Akbar?
You want a list? Do you want me to list them here, or do you think you can make you way to FBI.GOV? I will give you a starting point. Every abortion clinic that has been burned, bombed or vandalized by an organized anti-abortion group in the US has been considered the victim of not only organized crime, but also terrorism. There are hundreds of people sitting in federal prisons for their planned, terrorist activities in the name of Jesus. Similarly, people have also been blown up in their homes, shot in their churches (during services) and their families threatened by all sorts of violence in the name of Christian faith. The names of right wing, Christian, racist groups such as Christian Identity, Aryan Brotherhood, and too many to count are being watched constantly by local, state, and federal law enforcement for their attacks on mosques and synagogues. There is 100's more things. People have been killing in the name of Jesus since the Crusades.
 
Which homegrown terrorists have committed acts of terror in the name of their Christian religion? Or shouted Christian phrases in the midst of their killing similar to Allah Akbar?

Ku Klux Klan. Eric Rudolph. Army of God.
 
Apparently, they don't teach any of that stuff any more. I overheard a young person saying yesterday that Egypt is in the Middle East. I put my head on the cool, smooth countertop to stay calm.
It sort of is. Africa is the continent but it's in the middle of the east and is part of the history of the middle east. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_East
 
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Apparently, they don't teach any of that stuff any more. I overheard a young person saying yesterday that Egypt is in the Middle East. I put my head on the cool, smooth countertop to stay calm.

Absolutely not correct. There are a great many aspects of history my daughters learned in high school that I myself did not. There are strengths and weaknesses in comparing my primary education to theirs -- on both sides. I find it disrespectful and ignorant to blithely write off an "other" group based on very little information. That's how conflicts get started -- just what the world needs.
 
I think we can both agree that the terrorist events that occurred in April 1995 were created, designed, chosen deliberately, and executed by conscious decision by US citizens who were part of a hostile, violent, anti Government movement. It is the hostility, the violence, the paranoia, and the lack of morality while spouting religious values that makes these home-grown terrorists very much like the terrorists in other countries.
Well, I don't think it was a "movement", more a small group that went nowhere. You can not say the same for ISIS so there is really no comparison.
 
Absolutely not correct. There are a great many aspects of history my daughters learned in high school that I myself did not. There are strengths and weaknesses in comparing my primary education to theirs -- on both sides. I find it disrespectful and ignorant to blithely write off an "other" group based on very little information. That's how conflicts get started -- just what the world needs.
I am kidding. I live in a city with some of the best public schools in the country. Just kidding.
 
Apparently, they don't teach any of that stuff any more. I overheard a young person saying yesterday that Egypt is in the Middle East. I put my head on the cool, smooth countertop to stay calm.

It's kind of an artificial designation, but most definitions place Egypt in the Middle East. Egypt straddles both Africa and Asia. However, those are political and not geographic boundaries.
 
Apparently, they don't teach any of that stuff any more. I overheard a young person saying yesterday that Egypt is in the Middle East. I put my head on the cool, smooth countertop to stay calm.

From Encyclopædia Britannica

http://www.britannica.com/place/Middle-East

Middle East, the lands around the southern and eastern shores of the Mediterranean Sea, extending from Morocco to the Arabian Peninsula and Iran and, by some definitions, sometimes beyond. The central part of this general area was formerly called the Near East, a name given to it by some of the first modern Western geographers and historians, who tended to divide what they called the Orient into three regions. Near East applied to the region nearest Europe, extending from the Mediterranean Seato the Persian Gulf; Middle East, from the Persian Gulf to Southeast Asia; and Far East, those regions facing the Pacific Ocean.

The change in usage began to evolve prior to World War II and tended to be confirmed during that war, when the term Middle East was given to the British military command in Egypt. By the mid-20th century a common definition of the Middle East encompassed the states or territories of Turkey, Cyprus, Syria,Lebanon, Iraq, Iran, Israel, the West Bank, the Gaza Strip, Jordan, Egypt, Sudan, Libya, and the various states and territories of Arabia proper (Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Yemen, Oman, Bahrain, Qatar, and the Trucial States, or Trucial Oman [now United Arab Emirates]). Subsequent events have tended, in loose usage, to enlarge the number of lands included in the definition. The three North African countries ofTunisia, Algeria, and Morocco are closely connected in sentiment and foreign policy with the Arab states. In addition, geographic factors often require statesmen and others to take account ofAfghanistan and Pakistan in connection with the affairs of the Middle East.

Occasionally, Greece is included in the compass of the Middle East because the Middle Eastern (then Near Eastern) question in its modern form first became apparent when the Greeks rose in rebellion to assert their independence of the Ottoman Empire in 1821 (see Eastern Question). Turkey and Greece, together with the predominantly Arabic-speaking lands around the eastern end of the Mediterranean, were also formerly known as the Levant.

Use of the term Middle East nonetheless remains unsettled, and some agencies (notably the United States State Department and certain bodies of the United Nations) still employ the term Near East.
 
Well, I don't think it was a "movement", more a small group that went nowhere. You can not say the same for ISIS so there is really no comparison.
You don't think the Michigan Militia movement (part of a national movement) went anywhere? They have morphed into the Sovereign Citizens movement. Trust me, anti-Government radicals are here to stay. They come out in droves whenever some farmer has a dispute over federal land use. But that's neither here, nor there. No one was comparing the two groups. The discussion was about how radical groups find members, develop their radical ideology and move forward with violence.
 
Terrorism is terrorism. Evil is evil. No bonus points for being "smaller".
In his letter, McVeigh said he was an agnostic but that he would "improvise, adapt and overcome", if it turned out there was an afterlife. "If I'm going to hell," he wrote, "I'm gonna have a lot of company." His body is to be cremated and his ashes scattered in a secret location.”(SEE NOTE 5)http://www.tektonics.org/guest/mcveigh.htm

http://archive.adl.org/mcveigh/faq.html#.Vko6L79V5J4
1. Was Timothy McVeigh connected to the militia movement?

No, he was not. He was not really connected to any particular movement. On the "hate" side, he obviously loved "The Turner Diaries" by William Pierce and read The Spotlight, the publication of the extremist and anti-Semitic Liberty Lobby. On the "anti-government" side, he attended a couple of militia meetings and half-heartedly attempted to start a militia group in Arizona, which came to nothing. He never really joined anything, either as a card-carrying member or even an explicit endorsement. This is also one reason why there was little support for McVeigh, simply because no one viewed him as one of "their own."



I don't see where he was connected to any "group" or was a Christian.
 
It's kind of an artificial designation, but most definitions place Egypt in the Middle East. Egypt straddles both Africa and Asia. However, those are political and not geographic boundaries.
That is very interesting, and I will certainly adjust my perspective on this. I wonder, and my staunch "Egypt is in Africa" line comes from this, is saying that Egypt is in the Middle East somehow offensive to Egyptians? I can't think of any reason why it would be, but I have an Egyptian friend, and she an her father are VERY clear that Egypt is in Africa. I personally just want to say whatever is clear and correct.
 
That is very interesting, and I will certainly adjust my perspective on this. I wonder, and my staunch "Egypt is in Africa" line comes from this, is saying that Egypt is in the Middle East somehow offensive to Egyptians? I can't think of any reason why it would be, but I have an Egyptian friend, and she an her father are VERY clear that Egypt is in Africa. I personally just want to say whatever is clear and correct.

I do not know, but my guess would be that like many things in life, definitely many things pertaining to the Middle East, that is a question likely to have many answers. I have personally considered them as part of the Middle East as they have in my memory participated numerous times in Middle East peace talks as participant player, not negotiator.
 
#weakspeech
Which homegrown terrorists have committed acts of terror in the name of their Christian religion? Or shouted Christian phrases in the midst of their killing similar to Allah Akbar?
Here in the US, they tend to target abortion providers:
* Dr. George Tiller was shot and killed by anti-abortion terrorist Scott Roeder in 2009.
* James Barrett murdered abortion doctor John Britton and his bodyguard James Barrett in 1994. He was executed for his crimes and is considered by some a martyr.
* Eric Rudolph, who was the Olympic bomber who killed Alice Hawthorne and wounded 111 others in 1996. He also detonated bombs in an abortion clinic that killed Robert Sanderson in 1997.

As for organizations, I would also include:
* The Army of God, for their support of people who killed above
* Westboro Baptist Church, for their inflammatory rhetoric

Very close to home, in 2012 white supremacist Wade Michael Page killed Sikh in Oak Creek, WI thinking him to be Muslim. While it's not clear that Page was Christian, he certainly was not Muslim or Jewish.

Non-US Terrorists include Jospeh Kony and Lord's Resistance Army.
 
Here in the US, they tend to target abortion providers:
* Dr. George Tiller was shot and killed by anti-abortion terrorist Scott Roeder in 2009.
* James Barrett murdered abortion doctor John Britton and his bodyguard James Barrett in 1994. He was executed for his crimes and is considered by some a martyr.
* Eric Rudolph, who was the Olympic bomber who killed Alice Hawthorne and wounded 111 others in 1996. He also detonated bombs in an abortion clinic that killed Robert Sanderson in 1997.

As for organizations, I would also include:
* The Army of God, for their support of people who killed above
* Westboro Baptist Church, for their inflammatory rhetoric

Very close to home, in 2012 white supremacist Wade Michael Page killed Sikh in Oak Creek, WI thinking him to be Muslim. While it's not clear that Page was Christian, he certainly was not Muslim or Jewish.

Non-US Terrorists include Jospeh Kony and Lord's Resistance Army.

It's really important we don't forget this. We have had our share of despicably evil folks who used terror to give voice to their disgusting "message".
 
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That is very interesting, and I will certainly adjust my perspective on this. I wonder, and my staunch "Egypt is in Africa" line comes from this, is saying that Egypt is in the Middle East somehow offensive to Egyptians? I can't think of any reason why it would be, but I have an Egyptian friend, and she an her father are VERY clear that Egypt is in Africa. I personally just want to say whatever is clear and correct.

Egypt is mostly in Africa. Parts of it are in Asia. However, they may also be thinking of the term "Middle East" as a distinctly European designation. Even so - that African can be both considered part of African and the Middle East aren't mutually exclusive.
 

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