Explosions and shootings in Paris

[robinb]

You must be kidding if you think you can compare the scope of abortion center attacks to ISIS-style attacks. Really??

You asked about christian homegrown terrorists. I provided a list of them. I don't think a person has to kill like ISIS to be a terrorist, it's more about the intent of the murder. Abortion providers were killed not only to stop that one doctor from performing abortions but to also scare others into retiring. Of all the individuals I mentioned, Erik Rudolph is definitely the real deal in any one's book.

 

[desamnik]

Seems unlikely that any of this will be resolved in our life time.

 

[WIcruizer]

I don't think anyone is questioning killing anyone is equally evil. But that has nothing to do with the threat level to o

There are levels of risk, of evaluating threat, sure. There is no way to say "this horrible murderer is more evil than this horrible murderer." A terrorist is a terrorist.

Of course. Seems like that's a bit of a strawman argument. Killing someone is evil- whether it's terrorism or not. I'm not sure anyone is claiming otherwise. The difference is ISIS is a threat to entire countries, including the one I live in.

 

[wilkeliza]

I haven't read the 26 pages of posts, but common sense in this country, no longer exists. I've often wondered why we don't see Thousands of Muslims speaking out against the violence their fellow muslims cause. I don't recall ever hearing this. You do however hear them speaking out that the US should allow them into their county and we are "prejudice" if we don't.
I have kids, I have no idea what this country is going to be in ten years, but I am guessing it will look nothing like it did 40 years ago. Everywhere I go people are speaking different languages, no one assimilates any more. How are they going to communicate? We are becoming a third world country. Look around you. This country is FULL and broke. We should be being very selective who is allowed in here. Even if Paris didn't happen, we are so heading in the wrong direction. Follow the constitution of AMERICA. There are laws that haven't been followed since the early 70's.

What laws exactly are you speaking about?

What selection would you use on who gets to come in legally and who doesn't? Right now it is all by lottery or by work visas. There aren't many who get their US citizenship by other means.

I hear many Muslims speaking out about this violence. I live right next to a prayer center (not sure if it is a mosque or just a prayer center) and 99% of the men that pray there are vocal in their displeasure about terrorist.

 

[bcla]

I haven't read the 26 pages of posts, but common sense in this country, no longer exists. I've often wondered why we don't see Thousands of Muslims speaking out against the violence their fellow muslims cause. I don't recall ever hearing this. You do however hear them speaking out that the US should allow them into their county and we are "prejudice" if we don't.
I have kids, I have no idea what this country is going to be in ten years, but I am guessing it will look nothing like it did 40 years ago. Everywhere I go people are speaking different languages, no one assimilates any more. How are they going to communicate? We are becoming a third world country. Look around you. This country is FULL and broke. We should be being very selective who is allowed in here. Even if Paris didn't happen, we are so heading in the wrong direction. Follow the constitution of AMERICA. There are laws that haven't been followed since the early 70's.

There are thousands of Muslims speaking out against violence in the name of their religion. I don't expect that everyone has heard of this, but it has been well reported.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...i-am-a-muslim-paris-attacks-social-media.html

As for what this country looked like 40 years ago - there were no smart phones and there was still a reasonable manufacturing economy. I suppose there are a lot of things that we're just not going to get back.

My kid goes to school with any number of kids of various backgrounds. Many of their parents came from outside the US. These kids do assimilate. There are several parents from Italy, and they've spoken Italian to each other. I don't see that as failure to assimilate.

As for the Constitution - that doesn't specify immigration policy.

 

[robinb]

I hear many Muslims speaking out about this violence.

I've also heard Muslims speaking out against ISIS and the Paris attacks. Sine we have been throwing hashtags around, a couple that have popped up are #NoInMyName and #IAmMuslim on Twitter.

 

[asta]

So all Muslims are to blame because they must know something? When are we going to start holding Christians accountable for homegrown terrorists? No we never look beyond the immediate family for that. But Muslims, yes they are all in on it. Talk about an extreme view of a faith with absolutely nothing to back it up.

I did not say all Muslims are to blame. I specifically pointed out that those who are aware have a responsibility to report. I did not say that all Muslims are aware of terrorist pockets. I would hold any group of Christians or White people to the same standard. And don't get me started on the low life parents who enable their mentally unstable sons to become mass murderers and then get to stand back like they did not know what happened.

We are not discussing Christian terrorists because there is not a widespread threat from them. They are not the ones committing mass murders and making threats to visit their terror on Washington DC. These arguments are just an effort to deflect the focus from the real source of terror we are facing today.

 

[WIcruizer]

Yes, there are millions of Muslims who do not support ISIS. Some of them even speak out against them. We have no idea how the percentages break down, so I won't even try. I won't even use words like "many" or "most."

The real question is how many Imams in Middle-Eastern countries speak out against this? 90%? 2%? How about leaders in the Middle East? Beyond the public statement that is made, how many are working hard behind the scenes to deal with this threat? I don't have those answers, but until the answer is 90%....99%...we will continue to deal with this.

 

[LisaR]

My internet has been down most of today. It's kind of funny, in a sad sort of way, that the terrorists have a better internet connection than I do. How do they manage to make a video and post it to the internet letting us all know they will target DC and we still can't track them down? I hope Anonymous is able to cause a major cyber attack as they have threatened.

 

[asta]

My internet has been down most of today. It's kind of funny, in a sad sort of way, that the terrorists have a better internet connection than I do. How do they manage to make a video and post it to the internet letting us all know they will target DC and we still can't track them down? I hope Anonymous is able to cause a major cyber attack as they have threatened.

Equally unbelieveable is that they feel so little threat to their blood thirsty views that the filmed part of today's threat on a city street in public view. Does anyone in that part of the world have a conscious?

 

[ford family]

You asked about christian homegrown terrorists. I provided a list of them. I don't think a person has to kill like ISIS to be a terrorist, it's more about the intent of the murder. Abortion providers were killed not only to stop that one doctor from performing abortions but to also scare others into retiring. Of all the individuals I mentioned, Erik Rudolph is definitely the real deal in any one's book.

Did you include Sinn Fein/IRA, the Catholic terrorists in Northern Ireland, a group that preferred (and may still prefer) the bullet to the ballot box?

ford family

 

[robinb]

Did you include Sinn Fein/IRA, the Catholic terrorists in Northern Ireland, a group that preferred (and may still prefer) the bullet to the ballot box?

That they did. I remember when they were in full force.

 

[littleblackegg]

I did not say all Muslims are to blame. I specifically pointed out that those who are aware have a responsibility to report. I did not say that all Muslims are aware of terrorist pockets. I would hold any group of Christians or White people to the same standard. And don't get me started on the low life parents who enable their mentally unstable sons to become mass murderers and then get to stand back like they did not know what happened.

We are not discussing Christian terrorists because there is not a widespread threat from them. They are not the ones committing mass murders and making threats to visit their terror on Washington DC. These arguments are just an effort to deflect the focus from the real source of terror we are facing today.

Well, the Department of Homeland Security disagrees, and reports to the contrary to the President and congress. The US pays attention to all terrorist threats, both at home and abroad.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/02/19/politics/terror-threat-homeland-security/

 

[TLSnell1981]

We do know, who is responsible for the attack in Paris. Why are some attempting to shift the focus?

 

[declansdad]

You must be kidding if you think you can compare the scope of abortion center attacks to ISIS-style attacks. Really??

They are all terrorist attacks, the only difference is the "religion" behind the attacks.

 

[mnrose]

Here in the US, they tend to target abortion providers:
* Dr. George Tiller was shot and killed by anti-abortion terrorist Scott Roeder in 2009.
* James Barrett murdered abortion doctor John Britton and his bodyguard James Barrett in 1994. He was executed for his crimes and is considered by some a martyr.
* Eric Rudolph, who was the Olympic bomber who killed Alice Hawthorne and wounded 111 others in 1996. He also detonated bombs in an abortion clinic that killed Robert Sanderson in 1997.

As for organizations, I would also include:
* The Army of God, for their support of people who killed above
* Westboro Baptist Church, for their inflammatory rhetoric

Very close to home, in 2012 white supremacist Wade Michael Page killed Sikh in Oak Creek, WI thinking him to be Muslim. While it's not clear that Page was Christian, he certainly was not Muslim or Jewish.

Non-US Terrorists include Jospeh Kony and Lord's Resistance Army.

I'd include that delightful gentleman (I think he calls himself a pastor) from Arizona who advocates the execution of gays. He's a charmer, that one.

 

[CPanther95]

They are all terrorist attacks, the only difference is the "religion" behind the attacks.

There's two bigger differences:
1) One is an immediate real threat that is much more difficult for our law enforcement to contain - the other threat's impact has been minimized by law enforcement.
2) One is the actual topic of this thread - the other is just being used to distract.

 

[declansdad]

There's two bigger differences:
1) One is an immediate real threat that is much more difficult for our law enforcement to contain - the other threat's impact has been minimized by law enforcement.
2) One is the actual topic of this thread - the other is just being used to distract.

There is no distraction going on, it a natural part of the discussion.

 

[TLSnell1981]

I think it's naive to think that the only terrorist threat in the US is from those who are practice Islam or who are not US citizens. Certainly, ISIS is a threat but other ideologues (both religious and political) are also threats.

Although, we are DIScussing the Paris attack...not religion. It's is a banned topic on this board.

 

[asta]

Since this thread is about "Explosions and shootings in Paris" maybe all of those who want to talk about terrorists attacks by Christians and/or Americans would be better served to create a new thread devoted to that topic. All of the off topic posts are doing little to further the discussion and issue at hand.