Enthusiastic about Genie+ touring

[emonade8]

Old world: Book FPs for 11, 1, and 3, 60 days in advance.

New world: wake up at 10, book a G+ for 11. Ride it. Book a G+ for 1. Ride it. Book a G+ for 3. Ride it.

Maybe. But maybe that one ride you want isn't available until 5. Now you're 2 hours behind. Not saying that's what will happen, but it's a possibility.

 

[Marionnette]

Old world: Book FPs for 11, 1, and 3, 60 days in advance.

New world: wake up at 10, book a G+ for 11. Ride it. Book a G+ for 1. Ride it. Book a G+ for 3. Ride it.

Old World: 3 guaranteed FP+, booked in advance for every day of your trip

New World: Hope that G+ return times aren't so late in the day that you don't end up spending $15 to move to the front of 2 lines.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Maybe. But maybe that one ride you want isn't available until 5. Now you're 2 hours behind. Not saying that's what will happen, but it's a possibility.

I don't think it will. Under paper FastPass, that would only happen at the very few highest demand rides, like Midway Mania when it was new. And that's when EVERYONE had access to the system. Now that it's buy-in, the number using it will be lower so the return windows should advance slower.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

New World: Hope that G+ return times aren't so late in the day that you don't end up spending $15 to move to the front of 2 lines.

That never happened even when paper FastPass was free. It never happened at Disneyland under MaxPass. Why would it happen now?

 

[Marionnette]

That never happened even when paper FastPass was free. It never happened at Disneyland under MaxPass. Why would it happen now?

Never? That was why FP+ had tiers. It was because the paper FPs for the more popular attractions would be gone by midday.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Never? There was FP+ had tiers. It was because the paper FPs for the more popular attractions would be gone by midday.

That would happen at MAYBE one or two attractions per park, and those attractions won't be on Genie+ anyways.

 

[Sinder]

I think the point was that you can literally go anywhere and find somewhere to complain about the system. There are tons of threads to do that and the OP was trying to start one that was the opposite.

As for what Genie+ is or isn’t going to do to your plans, that is for you to decide, but if the OP has no evidence to back up how it will benefit people, you also have no evidence that it will not.

Then the OP should have left out the part about people being negative because of them just being apprehensive of change. One should expect people to explain the reasons to you if you are going to accuse them of something that is false. Seems to me it is the OP that started complaining- about the negative opinions of the system they love so much.


See now you are the one who is wrong, I do have evidence that it will not benefit me. Disney released the details of the added fees to bypass the SB lines, that is my "evidence".
It's like you haven't read this thread or like the OP are ignoring what people are saying in it.

 

[Marionnette]

That would happen at MAYBE one or two attractions per park, and those attractions won't be on Genie+ anyways.

One or two headliner attractions which ran out of paper FP shifted demand to the next most-popular attractions. Then return times for those lesser attractions got pushed later and later into the early evening as people turned to those attractions for FP. People didn't stop pulling paper FPs just because top headliners were done.

 

[scrappinginontario]

We're more than 450 posts past the original post. Please discuss what the current conversation is rather than criticize/tell the OP what/how they should have written something. They wrote what they felt was appropriate and it was discussed pages ago and the discussion has moved on.

This thread is being monitored to ensure it's still beneficial as reports are being raised of people being unkind to one another. If it continues the thread will be closed.

 

[havoc315]

Which guest? Because I'm not concerned with how many passes Joe Schmoe can get. I'm concerned with my own experience. I've never claimed this system would be better or worse for other people, only that it will be worse ***for me***.

I don't need the ability to get more passes than I got under FP+. I already didn't get all the passes I *could* have because I didn't need to and it wouldn't have helped me have a better trip. My trips were great and I always got to do everything I wanted.

Oh, I don't have anxiety attacks, I will (begrudgingly) pay the fees where I think it necessary, and it still won't be a superior product ***for me***.

Then for you, the only difference will be the cost in all likelihood.

 

[havoc315]

Very true, however, at least with FP+, "person who likes to sleep in" could enter the park with 3 FPs already booked. That's an excellent start.

And the person who sleeps in, will still be able to enter a park with 3 reservations. (2 purchased and 1 genie+, whenever they do choose to wake up).

 

[havoc315]

That would happen at MAYBE one or two attractions per park, and those attractions won't be on Genie+ anyways.

THIS. And really, it wasn’t even 1-2 attractions per park. It was 1-2 attractions in total. TSM, back when it was only 2 tracks and it was the most popular ride at DHS, booked up quickly. Nothing at Magic Kingdom booked up before mid afternoon. (it was pre-Mine Train).

By excluding the top attractions and by charging for the service, there should be greater availability.

 

[havoc315]

One or two headliner attractions which ran out of paper FP shifted demand to the next most-popular attractions. Then return times for those lesser attractions got pushed later and later into the early evening as people turned to those attractions for FP. People didn't stop pulling paper FPs just because top headliners were done.

2012ish experiences..
6pm, pulling 7pm Peter Pan Fastpass
7pm, pulling a 8pm Soarin Fastpass.
7pm, pulling BTMRR Fastpass
7pm, pulling 7:40pm TOT

Ironically…. Some people objecting to G+ are claiming that with FP+, they had no trouble getting top tier rides on the same day as their 4th and 5th passes. At the same time, there is the G+ objection claiming there won’t be any availability.
By pure simple mathematics, we know G+ will have more same day availability FP+. Including more afternoon availability. (Resulting from booking 1 at a time + charging + only same day booking).

 

[havoc315]

Maybe. But maybe that one ride you want isn't available until 5. Now you're 2 hours behind. Not saying that's what will happen, but it's a possibility.

It’s a possibility.

And under FP+, often the ride you wanted wasn’t available at all. FOP, Mine Train, Slinky… routinely totally unavailable 30 days out, often unavailable even 60-62 days out.

 

[havoc315]

Under the old FP+ system, you didn't need to get up early every morning, while on vacation, to book 3 guaranteed line-skipping passes for every park day. I'd consider that a lot better than waking before 7 AM every morning while on vacation for the privilege of paying for 2 line-skipping passes IF you're staying in a Disney Resort. The offsite guests can't even book theirs until they arrive at the park.

If you sleep in until noon, you’ll book them at noon.
They won’t sell out at 7am. The individually priced attractions should remain available almost all day.

It’s 1 of the myths we keep see getting repeated — a need to wake up at 7am. Relax… get your passes whenever you happen to wake up. Sleep in. It’s vacation.

 

[Sinder]

If you sleep in until noon, you’ll book them at noon.
They won’t sell out at 7am. The individually priced attractions should remain available almost all day.

It’s 1 of the myths we keep see getting repeated — a need to wake up at 7am. Relax… get your passes whenever you happen to wake up. Sleep in. It’s vacation.

That isn't the same as 'will'
You may be right, or maybe Disney will limit the amount of IAS available and if you are the type who likes to take a more relaxing vacation you will miss your opportunity to score a spot.
Until Genie+ launches at WDW, and really until it is used during peak attendance times the bolded is an unknown.

 

[ThistleMae]

For now, Genie+ is strictly next available.
So let's say you get a TOT for 10:10, as per your example. You want to ride Big Thunder Mountain in the afternoon. If, at 10:10 am, the next available BTMRR is 2:20, you can book it immediately. If the next available BTMRR is 11:10 am, you'd have to wait a while, book more DHS stuff up to then.

I suspect that in most cases, the next available will be within 1-2 hours. So if I'm right (we will need to wait and see), then you wouldn't really think about booking rides for 2:00 pm until after noon.

My understanding is PH Genie+ will not be available to PH until 2 p.m. I wish they would eliminate the 2 p.m. hop rule. It just makes planning all the more challenging especially with figuring out the new system. Like all of you in here, I'm really anxious to get the official, this is how it works!

 

[ThistleMae]

If you sleep in until noon, you’ll book them at noon.
They won’t sell out at 7am. The individually priced attractions should remain available almost all day.

It’s 1 of the myths we keep see getting repeated — a need to wake up at 7am. Relax… get your passes whenever you happen to wake up. Sleep in. It’s vacation.

If it truly works this way, I'll be happy.

 

[havoc315]

That isn't the same as 'will'
You may be right, or maybe Disney will limit the amount of IAS available and if you are the type who likes to take a more relaxing vacation you will miss your opportunity to score a spot.
Until Genie+ launches at WDW, and really until it is used during peak attendance times the bolded is an unknown.

So if it’s an unknown, why assume the worst??
The scenarios you suggest are unlikely and inconsistent with the evidence and experience. Yes, they are still possible. But we shouldn’t assume that the highly unlikely worst case scenario will come to fruition.

 

[havoc315]

My understanding is PH Genie+ will not be available to PH until 2 p.m. I wish they would eliminate the 2 p.m. hop rule. It just makes planning all the more challenging especially with figuring out the new system. Like all of you in here, I'm really anxious to get the official, this is how it works!

It remains true you can't park hop until 2pm. But you can book reservations for 2pm and later, before 2pm.

I agree with you -- I'm not a fan of the park hopping rules. I wish, at the very least, they moved the time to noon. You should be able to do a lunch time park hop. Like DHS from 8:30-11:30, then park hop to Epcot for lunch.

Back to G+... training is occurring now. The system will launch within the next month or so. Between leaks from the training and the upcoming launch, more information will be coming soon enough.