Embarrassing comment!!

[Amy5000]

I know in your post that you were trying to correct what was an unacceptable behavior, and that resulted in a melt-down. But I'm also guessing that your child didn't then cry for four hours. Most people will understand a short temper tantrum. But ignoring you child for hours on end and letting them disturb a plane full of people is not understandable.

You are right. He did melt down but he did not do it for 4 hours. I doubt he would ever had enough energy to melt-down for 4 hours without falling asleep. I just went back and re-read the original post. I noticed the OP mentioned it was a 4 hour flight but she didn't say the child wailed for 4 hours. Just that the parents were doing anything to calm the child. OP, just curious if you have a sense for about how long the child cried?

I'm sorry, but if you know ahead of time that you child can't handle a situation, it is up to the parent to not put them in that situation. Period. And that doesn't change because you have a special needs child. It has nothing to do with isolating a child, and everything to do with having consideration for those around you. Letting your child cry it out where it bothers a few hundred people who are unable to leave is unacceptable.

I wrote a long response to this, but when I re-read your quote I realized my response probably was not appropriate. I guess agree with part of your quote...but I suspect we have very different opinions on the situation. You wrote "If you know ahead of time" but really as an outside observer we hardly ever know if the parent "knew ahead of time" or not.

Places that I know are issues (like the local Target) I try to avoid. We didn't go to a restaurant for about 18 months when DS was young b/c it was not good for DS or us. If I knew ahead of time a situation would get be miserable....heck, yeah I'd avoid it if i could.

As for the part of being considerate of those around you...I'm all for that. But I also try to be respectful of my child. My DS has other challenging behaviors that might make it uncomfortable for other people, but I really don't think I'm doing anyone a service by forcing him to stay home. More importantly, I don't think I'm doing him a service by forcing him to stay home. And I don't want to live in a society where we exclude people with differences from our society. (And I made that decision long before I had a difficult child).

My DS from time to time makes noises. It must be pretty annoying to be sitting next to someone on a plane who makes noises (sometimes it will be 2 or 3 noises in a minute, sometimes it will be 1 or 2 noises every few minutes). Sometimes he can site quietly. Is it inconsiderate of me to take my DS on an airplane in light of this? Maybe, but like I said, in addition to trying to be considerate to others on the airplane, I also need to be considerate of my son. Continually excluding him from things b/c it's more difficult for him to participate is not respectful of him.

I suspect you might agree with that assessment in general, but want to draw the distinction at an "airplane". I think that airplanes raise their own issues. Yes, people are captive. But they have also chosen to use a mode of public transportation. It's easy to say "don't go on vacation to Florida" but we have family that lives at great distances (on the other side of the country) and visiting would impossible without air travel. Finally, if your qualification is "if you know ahead of time"...well, I bet there are plenty of kids who do ok on one flight and not so hot on another. I'm not clairvoyant. Thankfully, my kids do well way more often than not. (hope I didn't just jinx myself). I guess I suppose its easy to judge parents when we come up with hypotheticals where we know the whole story, but in real life we don't know the whole story. Just one little snippet of what we see. I try to remind myself that when I find myself judging.

Amy

 

[Microcell]

Excuse me for a moment while I take the chance to use my college degree (I am not using it for much these days)...

I am also gonna throw around big words because I don't get to use them..

My degree is in Applied Behavorial Sciences (you know the guy who worked with the dog to get him to salivate when a bell was rung? Well he is our hero!).

I worked with lots of special needs adults and kids. They had Down Syndrome, Autism, general Mental Retardation. I also did a practicum with normal everyday snot nosed kids in a preschool, doing behavioral experiments with them (and it was ok with thier parents).

I worked with enough people with special needs to know that you cant just keep them in a box and expect any kind of good outcome. They are people, they have feelings, they experience joy, sadness, anger.. you can't just leave them out of living because they might bother some people on a 4 hour plane ride! If they are a danger to others, then I fully understand taking measures to protect people in the community.

I worked with a woman with Autism who spoke daily about how much she loved Tony Orlando and how she loved to watch Tony Orlando and Dawn.. I worked with her in 1994, long after the show was off the air. Well, we decided that we would do what we could to help her meet him. She was prone to get upset and hit people and on rare occasions bite them. So when we planned the trip to meet him we took the entire group home of 6 people and 12 staff, a 2 to 1 ratio. We went to Branson and saw his show. We told Mr. Orlando's people ahead of time and he made a point of pulling her out of the crowd, sang to her and telling the audience he had a friend for life and he had just had the pleasure of meeting her! She talks about it to this day! Her parents also take her to Disney World every year! I am really glad they give her the experiences she had. It is tough to live in a group home, to be told when to bathe, when to eat, what to eat (and lemme tell you, it ain't steak). She has so little control of her daily life that would I annoy 100 people on a plane to get her a chance at her dream that almost 20 years later feels to her like it happened yesterday? You bet I would! I would annoy 3000 people to get her that joy! Would I put them in danger, no of course not, but like parents of special needs kids I was more than able to keep others safe. She talked alot and was annoying. Do I care about peoples feelings on that, nope!

Here is a little more knowledge I paid through the nose for but will give you for free.. special needs or not, sometimes what a kid needs is redirection! They need to get thinking about something other than what is bothering them! Study after study has shown that the most effective, quick way of redirecting is to introduce a third party of some sort to "snap" a person out of themselves! Perhaps you have an extra toy or food you could offer (asking the parents first of course). Maybe you can ask them how old they are or even a simple wave can get them off their crying jag. A smile and some kind words are all it takes sometimes. If it doesn't work, then you will still have people you just met that are grateful that you tried, because I am sure they are at their wits end!

Something else that is funny is that 99% of the behavioral interventions I wrote (programs for all teaching staff to follow to be sure we were being consistant) involved ignoring the maladaptive behavior initially unless it proved dangerous to the person served or the people around them. Maybe the people were doing what a professional told them to do! Or they were ignoring their kid and were big jerks.. we can't always know the situation but I don't think it hurts to approach with kindness.

OP I was not saying you were directly to blame or anything! I am sure you were tired, and mistakes happen! I just felt unsettled at people saying you should never take a special needs person out because they might do something annoying. They are people and that makes them unpredictable. You can't be sure what a person with special needs will or will not be able to handle on any given day! Thank God they closed down institutions long ago!

 

[CapJack]

I will probably get flamed for this but, PLEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAASSEE with all the maybe the child has a problem i.e autism, ADD whatever. No parents abdicate their responsibilities these days. It was always autism now it is a spectrum. IMHO people need a reason why their child does not behave nowadays rather than putting in the effort to correct their children. Want to know why your children behave this way. Because they know you will do nothing so they ignore you and do what they want. Not the case in the orignal post but had to get off my chest. My children are well behaved want to know why? We spend time with them, show them affection and when the rare occassion they misbehave we expalin it is unacceptable & what the consequences are. The kids understand this and respond

 

[Amy5000]

Edited to let go of the bait...

 

[kpgriswold]

...I truly believe that if a child truly has issues which will cause him to be so upset for so long in flight that the parents need to arrange other means of travel. It is not fair to the child or the other passengers or crew to fly in that case. I applaud brergnat for making such a decision about her (his?) child and travelling.

Just curious... What other means of travel do you suggest? Driving from Boise, ID or Flint, MI to Orlando, FL is not a realistic suggestion. Anything else requires traveling with the general public.

 

[NeverBeen2DW]

Just curious... What other means of travel do you suggest? Driving from Boise, ID or Flint, MI to Orlando, FL is not a realistic suggestion. Anything else requires traveling with the general public.

I know people who drive from Chicago, IL to Orlando every Christmas. So it can be done. In fact, my brother drove to Sanabiel (sp) Islands from Chicago every Christmas for the last 15yrs with his kids. He has finally over come his fear (at 45yrs old!) of flying so he recently started flying.

 

[kpgriswold]

I will probably get flamed for this but, PLEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAASSEE with all the maybe the child has a problem i.e autism, ADD whatever. No parents abdicate their responsibilities these days. It was always autism now it is a spectrum. IMHO people need a reason why their child does not behave nowadays rather than putting in the effort to correct their children. Want to know why your children behave this way. Because they know you will do nothing so they ignore you and do what they want. Not the case in the orignal post but had to get off my chest. My children are well behaved want to know why? We spend time with them, show them affection and when the rare occassion they misbehave we expalin it is unacceptable & what the consequences are. The kids understand this and respond

I also spend time with my children, show them affection, explain what is unacceptable and give them consequences. Every. Single. Time. Three of them are beautifully behaved. The other is Jeckll and Hyde. Got any overly simplistic answers for that one?

BTW, autism IS a spectrum, meaning that there are high functioning kids who you might not notice have it all the way to the other extreme of kids whose lives are affected in every single way. Getting snippy about it just shows that you know little about advances in the field of psychology.

Other very real, biological problems -- like ADHD -- are more common now than they used to be. So is asthma. So are allergies. You may chalk it up to bunk science. Others think it is the result of environmental change.

You may be a great parent, but please don't be so smug. You just lucked out that you didn't have a kid with an impairment. Here's hoping your children never suffer a brain injury or severe illness that leaves them imperfect, or you may have to rethink your superiority!

 

[Amy5000]

I know people who drive from Chicago, IL to Orlando every Christmas. So it can be done. In fact, my brother drove to Sanabiel (sp) Islands from Chicago every Christmas for the last 15yrs with his kids. He has finally over come his fear (at 45yrs old!) of flying so he recently started flying.

Great that your brother could swing that....but many of us could not for many reasons, including limited vacation and the misery of keeping a child in a car seat for 20 hours over two to three days, and then turning around and doing it again to get home.

We have to go to a family event next spring in CA on Memorial Day weekend. 2900 miles. Driving is not feasible for our family.

You know, this thread has gone off on a tangent. I understand the OP was embarrassed by her comment and that she was annoyed with parents for doing nothing. I think many of us have pointed out that things are not always as they seem. We don't know, maybe things were exactly as they seem but it doesn't hurt to point it out.

As for whether it's wrong to bring a child on flight who may or may not tantrum.... While this does effect some special needs parents more b/c our child may be more likely to tantrum, the bottom line is that special needs or no, a child may meltdown on a flight for any number of reasons. While I would try to be considerate of other passengers, if they can't handle it, maybe they should consider a non public means of transportation...like driving or taking a private plane.

I know most people can handle it but are annoyed. But personally I think it's a little heavy handed to say "don't put your child in the situation", effectively shutting your child off traveling to many places and, in our case, visiting family. And applying the "don't put your child in the situation" logic to other instances that don't involve a plane but do involve other people, cuts you off from lots of other things too. Sure on things that are consistent I might decide not to put my child in that situation, but I have many things to consider in making that judgment that most people are not privy to. And yes, when I consider whether to put my child in a situation, I do consider the impact it may have other people. But I also consider that my child has a right to experience life and needs to learn how to cope, react and behave in situations outside of the house.

Amy

 

[JUJU814]

Well not for nothing but if you offered me benadryl for my child it would not be met with a polite response.

Seriously? You wouldn't just politely say "no thank you"???

 

[maxiesmom]

I know most people can handle it but are annoyed. But personally I think it's a little heavy handed to say "don't put your child in the situation", effectively shutting your child off traveling to many places and, in our case, visiting family. And applying the "don't put your child in the situation" logic to other instances that don't involve a plane but do involve other people, cuts you off from lots of other things too. Sure on things that are consistent I might decide not to put my child in that situation, but I have many things to consider in making that judgment that most people are not privy to. And yes, when I consider whether to put my child in a situation, I do consider the impact it may have other people. But I also consider that my child has a right to experience life and needs to learn how to cope, react and behave in situations outside of the house.

Amy

I have to say that if you know you can't have a life experience with your child without making others suffer for it, than you need to find a different way for your child to have that life experience. If someone has a child who they think may have a problem flying, and that family has to fly somewhere, maybe they need to start out with a short flight to see how things go. And then make your decisions based on those results, and not just assume that you can fly and handle whatever comes up.

I still think it is wrong to put any child, special needs or not, into a situation where you know (or have a good idea) that they will not be able to cope, and just expect the rest of the public to have to deal with whatever happens.

 

[jms531]

I will probably get flamed for this but, PLEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAASSEE with all the maybe the child has a problem i.e autism, ADD whatever. No parents abdicate their responsibilities these days. It was always autism now it is a spectrum. IMHO people need a reason why their child does not behave nowadays rather than putting in the effort to correct their children. Want to know why your children behave this way. Because they know you will do nothing so they ignore you and do what they want. Not the case in the orignal post but had to get off my chest. My children are well behaved want to know why? We spend time with them, show them affection and when the rare occassion they misbehave we expalin it is unacceptable & what the consequences are. The kids understand this and respond

What you've just shown is great ignorance. I am thankful that YOUR children are well behaving children and that you've never been dealt the cards to be forced to be strong enough to have a child that despite all of your affection, time spent etc. they simply cannot behave as a neurotypical child would. If you had any idea how much effort parents of autistic children put in to try to correct the areas their children have problems with you would be ashamed of your comment. You have truly shown that you have NO IDEA what you are speaking to. Do a little research and educate yourself before you make incorrect blanket statements about a population. To be quite frank your post disgusts me. Enjoy your "perfect children" and congrats on your "perfect parenting" and count your blessings you were never in a position in which you would have to deal with anything less.

 

[Hannathy]

I have to say that if you know you can't have a life experience with your child without making others suffer for it, than you need to find a different way for your child to have that life experience. If someone has a child who they think may have a problem flying, and that family has to fly somewhere, maybe they need to start out with a short flight to see how things go. And then make your decisions based on those results, and not just assume that you can fly and handle whatever comes up.

I still think it is wrong to put any child, special needs or not, into a situation where you know (or have a good idea) that they will not be able to cope, and just expect the rest of the public to have to deal with whatever happens.

Well said

And I agree!!

 

[CapJack]

I also spend time with my children, show them affection, explain what is unacceptable and give them consequences. Every. Single. Time. Three of them are beautifully behaved. The other is Jeckll and Hyde. Got any overly simplistic answers for that one?

BTW, autism IS a spectrum, meaning that there are high functioning kids who you might not notice have it all the way to the other extreme of kids whose lives are affected in every single way. Getting snippy about it just shows that you know little about advances in the field of psychology.

Other very real, biological problems -- like ADHD -- are more common now than they used to be. So is asthma. So are allergies. You may chalk it up to bunk science. Others think it is the result of environmental change.

You may be a great parent, but please don't be so smug. You just lucked out that you didn't have a kid with an impairment. Here's hoping your children never suffer a brain injury or severe illness that leaves them imperfect, or you may have to rethink your superiority!

Kudos to you for being an involved parent. I do not think I am superior just involved. It just drives me nuts that people need to blame something else. BTW autism & ADHD are defined as developmental disorders not physical disorders. There is a great deal of disagreement in the medical community about both of these disorders. As far as advances in psycholgy how did that work out for Dr. Spock's son? These disorders are NOT based on any physical defect but based on an observation & information provided by the parents that are completely subjective. Bottom line is that kids will be kids & it is the parents responsibilty to correct bad behavior & provide an example for good behavior as well as nurturing them. These disorders are real but, the diagnosis is overused because dr's are afraid of telling parents there is nothing wrong because they will shop & find a dr who will tell them exactly what they want to hear for a fee of course and many other visits to "treat" their child. It's only my opinion & in this country I am allowed to have it same as you.

 

[mmsdad523]

I will probably get flamed for this but, PLEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAASSEE with all the maybe the child has a problem i.e autism, ADD whatever. No parents abdicate their responsibilities these days. It was always autism now it is a spectrum. IMHO people need a reason why their child does not behave nowadays rather than putting in the effort to correct their children. Want to know why your children behave this way. Because they know you will do nothing so they ignore you and do what they want. Not the case in the orignal post but had to get off my chest. My children are well behaved want to know why? We spend time with them, show them affection and when the rare occassion they misbehave we expalin it is unacceptable & what the consequences are. The kids understand this and respond

Yes, maybe autism is the hot diagnosis right now as ADD was years back, but all that means is there are more children being misdiagnosed. It doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. It's a very real problem that many children suffer. Be thankful that it's not something you have to go through, but given you're outlook I'm thankful too. It doesn't seem like something you could handle. BTW, if you have to start out saying I'm probably gunna get flamed for this, that's your conscience telling you that what you're about to say is extremely inappropriate. Next time listen.

 

[Amy5000]

I have to say that if you know you can't have a life experience with your child without making others suffer for it, than you need to find a different way for your child to have that life experience. If someone has a child who they think may have a problem flying, and that family has to fly somewhere, maybe they need to start out with a short flight to see how things go. And then make your decisions based on those results, and not just assume that you can fly and handle whatever comes up.

I still think it is wrong to put any child, special needs or not, into a situation where you know (or have a good idea) that they will not be able to cope, and just expect the rest of the public to have to deal with whatever happens.

Yes. I know you said last time "If you know." Like I said in a prior post, I'm not clairvoyant. I make the best judgements I can with all the information I have weighing all needs involved.

Sure I'm sure you would say that your post doesn't apply to me in light of what I'm saying, but it feels like it applies to me. When you see a child melting down on an airplane, why not give the parent the benefit of the doubt that they made the best decision they could with the information they have.

Your "you shouldn't" rule might sound or not sound like a good rule to live by, but (1) as an outside observer we don't have all the information (like whether there had been successful flights before), and (2) the standard "without making other people suffer for it" seems to me to be either a very strict, or so ambigous, as to not be helpful. I mentioned before that my son makes noises from time to time...does that meet your standard of "making others suffer"?

 

[NeverBeen2DW]

I have to say that if you know you can't have a life experience with your child without making others suffer for it, than you need to find a different way for your child to have that life experience. If someone has a child who they think may have a problem flying, and that family has to fly somewhere, maybe they need to start out with a short flight to see how things go. And then make your decisions based on those results, and not just assume that you can fly and handle whatever comes up.
I still think it is wrong to put any child, special needs or not, into a situation where you know (or have a good idea) that they will not be able to cope, and just expect the rest of the public to have to deal with whatever happens.

As a parent of a SN child I could not agree more! My son who is 7 yrs old is a SN child and non medicated. When we first started going to WDW I too was concerned about how he would handle A, B and C. I was also prepared to deal with these unknowns as they came along. My son has ADHD, Sensory Issues, OCD and is on the spectrum but high functioning. But also has an IQ that is off the charts and doing school work at the 4th grade level when he is in 2nd grade. Even though he is smart he is very emotionally immature. When he was young he had the biggest tantrums, he would do things that as an adult would almost put me in tears in public situations. As a SINLGE parent I also had no relief. With my son we started flying at a very young age. So it was never an issue for him because he started doing it as a baby. Sure he needed movement breaks and the FA would be informed of this. They treated him special and would invite him to the galley etc. He has a ritual of speaking to the pilots before we fly. They always invite him into the cockpit and let him sit behind the wheel and check things out etc. Then he earns his wings. I also travel with all sorts of things to keep him busy. When he was little it was his portable DVD player and headphones so he could watch a movie in flight. Now as he is older I bring his Nintendo DS w/ headphones. He does have some issues with flying. He and I both fear take off, he freaks if we go over the ocean and turbulence. But we deal with it. Diverting works wonders and redirection. Another mom mentioned this and I could not agree more. Traveling by car, plan or train can be done with special needs kids and it does not have to be unpleasant. I did drive to Los Angeles by myself with my son. As a parent I feel like I am often in a 3 ring circus trying to manage my son. But it can be done. So honestly, I read what all of these special needs parent say and just roll my eyes. Excuses! It is work and hard work. Most people take the easy way out when it comes to a SN child and make excuses. I also grew up with a brother who is mentally ******** and even he was able to be redirect and diverted when in situations that upset him. So for someone to say that perhaps the people who cannot deal with a crying child should find other means of transportation should not fly ????? Why should people suffer on a airplane for 4 hrs because of your child? Airlines are also coming down on children who cannot be calmed or have behavior issues during flights and landing the airplanes and letting you off! I just read an article about this last week. Flying is a privilege not a right!

Also we have never asked for special treatment at WDW and we have never gotten a placard for our stroller. My son needs to learn to stand in line like everyone else and wait. You make adjustment to accomodate their needs as a parent. Even for me I often learn as we go along and think on my feet. When we first went to WDW my son could not tolerate fireworks. So the first time we watched them we did it from Ohana's or very far away. He could not take the noise. Each trip we avoided them close up. The one day we were caught in MK at Casey's. I thought for sure my son was gonna flip out. Instead he laid down on the floor in the doorway of Casey's and watched them from the doorway. He was safely inside and further enough back that it was okay for him. I let him stay there since nobody was walking around and for him that sealed the deal! Now he loves them and watches them like everyone else!

 

[Mouse House Mama]

Seriously? You wouldn't just politely say "no thank you"???

No, I would not just politely say thank you. I think it is rude to offer drugs to a parent for their child. Especially if I am trying to get things under control. It may not be popular but I do not believe in drugging kids to fly. YMMV of course.

Yes, maybe autism is the hot diagnosis right now as ADD was years back, but all that means is there are more children being misdiagnosed. It doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. It's a very real problem that many children suffer. Be thankful that it's not something you have to go through, but given you're outlook I'm thankful too. It doesn't seem like something you could handle. BTW, if you have to start out saying I'm probably gunna get flamed for this, that's your conscience telling you that what you're about to say is extremely inappropriate. Next time listen.

I just want to say that I understand what you are saying but I am going to somewhat defend CapJack. I don't think he is saying that there aren't kids with real disorders or on the spectrum. I think (I could be wrong) that he is saying that so many parents nowadays simply do not parent. Instead of setting limits for their kids they shop for a dx. If you were honest with yourself you would admit that you probably have seen at the very least one child like that. I have. Then the parents use the dx to excuse bad behavior. It is an insult to parents who really do have special needs children who are trying to really change behaviors in spite of the dx. I agree that nobody really knows what is going to set their kids off. Neurotypical or not they are still little people with their own minds, feelings, and emotions. YMMV.

 

[NeverBeen2DW]

What you've just shown is great ignorance. I am thankful that YOUR children are well behaving children and that you've never been dealt the cards to be forced to be strong enough to have a child that despite all of your affection, time spent etc. they simply cannot behave as a neurotypical child would. If you had any idea how much effort parents of autistic children put in to try to correct the areas their children have problems with you would be ashamed of your comment. You have truly shown that you have NO IDEA what you are speaking to. Do a little research and educate yourself before you make incorrect blanket statements about a population. To be quite frank your post disgusts me. Enjoy your "perfect children" and congrats on your "perfect parenting" and count your blessings you were never in a position in which you would have to deal with anything less.

Sorry, but I agree with him. As a parent of a child with SN I am sickened by the number of parents who say oh my son has ADHD he can't behave, oh my child has this or that as they are ripping down the department store shelf. I often look at them and say really my child does too. Yet he is unmedicated and he is standing perfected still next to me. Parent's use this as an excuses for why their child misbehaves OR if their child really does have SN they are too selfish to give 110% putting their child first to address their needs. I agree with the CaptJack's statement: My children are well behaved want to know why? We spend time with them, show them affection and when the rare occassion they misbehave we expalin it is unacceptable & what the consequences are. The kids understand this and respond. My son does too. I am invested in him and he responds accordingly. My son knows what a consequence is and they he will lose priveledges. There is a great book parent's of any child should read special needs or not it is called 1,2,3 Magic. I have been using this book with my child since age 3 and it works wonders for us!

 

[NeverBeen2DW]

Yes. I know you said last time "If you know." Like I said in a prior post, I'm not clairvoyant. I make the best judgements I can with all the information I have weighing all needs involved.

Sure I'm sure you would say that your post doesn't apply to me in light of what I'm saying, but it feels like it applies to me. When you see a child melting down on an airplane, why not give the parent the benefit of the doubt that they made the best decision they could with the information they have.

Your "you shouldn't" rule might sound or not sound like a good rule to live by, but (1) as an outside observer we don't have all the information (like whether there had been successful flights before), and (2) the standard "without making other people suffer for it" seems to me to be either a very strict, or so ambigous, as to not be helpful. I mentioned before that my son makes noises from time to time...does that meet your standard of "making others suffer"?

There is a difference between making noises and crying the entire flight as the OP stated. You can make accomodations for your child who makes noises. If the option is sitting on the side of the plan that has 2 seats or 3 and it is just you and your son flying before the flight let the FA's know your son has special needs and you would appreciate being seated on the 2 seat side and the last seat of the airplane. If possible and there are vacant seats behind the empty seats. Let them know he may need movement breaks. As for children with Autism movement is often very important to them. Let him check out the airplane when you are free to move about the cabin OR even before the flight - walk to the front and then to the back. Show him the galley and bathroom so he is familiar. When they make the boarding announcement "those with special needs or traveling with young children may board first that is you! They will allow him 5 mins to explore the cabin without people on it. You just have to ask for help and explain your situation. I have done this and not once have we been told no.

 

[ruadisneyfan2]

I will probably get flamed for this but, PLEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAASSEE with all the maybe the child has a problem i.e autism, ADD whatever. No parents abdicate their responsibilities these days. It was always autism now it is a spectrum. IMHO people need a reason why their child does not behave nowadays rather than putting in the effort to correct their children. Want to know why your children behave this way. Because they know you will do nothing so they ignore you and do what they want. Not the case in the orignal post but had to get off my chest. My children are well behaved want to know why? We spend time with them, show them affection and when the rare occassion they misbehave we expalin it is unacceptable & what the consequences are. The kids understand this and respond

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Ignorance

Main Entry: ig·no·rance
Pronunciation: \ˈig-n(ə-)rən(t)s\
Function: noun
Date: 13th century
: the state or fact of being ignorant : lack of knowledge, education, or awareness