DVC Response About Ebay Commercial Sellers

rinkwide · Aug 18, 2006

It's unfortunate that you haven't posted the entire URL or the item number.

By the way, I found a few other auctions I'm pretty sure were "cancelled" by Disney:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Disney-Vacation-Club-Timeshare-Rental_

http://cgi.ebay.com/Beach-Club-Villas-For-Food-and-Wine_

http://cgi.ebay.com/VWL-Sold-Out-Christmas-Week_

http://cgi.ebay.com/Unlimited-Use-Refillable-Mug_

http://cgi.ebay.com/Cinderella-Private-Massage_

http://cgi.ebay.com/Walt's-Frozen-Gallbladder_

Santa · Aug 18, 2006

This flaming piniata (sp?)thing is why I don't post my true meanings. They get misconstrudelated and you get discommbobulated. :santa:

Jay Foster said:
My goodness! I promise I will NEVER post anything like this again and I may NEVER lurk here ever again! I'm deleting the Dis from my favorites on all my computers immediately. I'm installing a virus on all my computers which will cause the hard drives to explode. I now also request that someone come over and tar and feather me. I have already called the police on myself and they assured me that they will give me 25 years in jail for the post. Can someone come over and kick my dog while we are at it? Any other punishment someone might want to inflict or is all this punishment enough?

Mushpurple,

You may be right. I don't know. I'm only relaying what the manager told me. Did the manager lie? I don't know. Is the manager uninformed? I don't know. In any event, if DVC does stuff about this, for me, I think it is a good idea to stop the commerical renters ONLY, not people who rent a few times a year which would be silly.

Here is the link on the one that was removed or canceled or hacked into by somone or maybe I hacked into ebay myself and did it, right or maybe I created the link and it really installs a virus on your computer? Again, I don't know with 110% certainty that it was removed because of my complaint, I can only relay what I know which I already did: http://cgi.ebay.com/Disney-Vacation-Boardwalk-Timeshare-Rental_

In the meantime, try decaf as I suggested.

Lewisc · Aug 18, 2006

The links aren't posting correctly. Just do an ebay search.

Try terms like:

disney vacation boardwalk timeshare rental
or
disney beach club

The rental are still there.

rinkwide · Aug 18, 2006

dianeschlicht said:
I checked today with a number of different search criteria, and I only found one studio rental from BCV that was worded strangly. I couldn't find ANY other DVC rentals of any kind.

Let me give you a hand:

Search eBay Florida Timeshare Rentals (Keyword: Disney)

There are ten or so on the first page alone.

TCPluto · Aug 18, 2006

dianeschlicht said:
I checked today with a number of different search criteria, and I only found one studio rental from BCV that was worded strangly. I couldn't find ANY other DVC rentals of any kind.

TCPluto · Aug 18, 2006

rinkwide said:
It's unfortunate that you haven't posted the entire URL or the item number.

By the way, I found a few other auctions I'm pretty sure were "cancelled" by Disney:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Disney-Vacation-Club-Timeshare-Rental_

http://cgi.ebay.com/Beach-Club-Villas-For-Food-and-Wine_

http://cgi.ebay.com/VWL-Sold-Out-Christmas-Week_

http://cgi.ebay.com/Unlimited-Use-Refillable-Mug_

http://cgi.ebay.com/Cinderella-Private-Massage_

http://cgi.ebay.com/Walt's-Frozen-Gallbladder_

Truly classic in the area of calling one out!

I really wish that massage auction was for real...... Also, the "meshare" link provided by the OP, I wish that was for real too.

BWVNUT · Aug 18, 2006

rinkwide said:
It's unfortunate that you haven't posted the entire URL or the item number.

By the way, I found a few other auctions I'm pretty sure were "cancelled" by Disney:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Walt's-Frozen-Gallbladder_

DARN! Thanks a lot OP - now you've ruined it for all of us! I was bidding on that frozen gallbladder!!!! :rotfl2:

DisDaydreamer · Aug 18, 2006

Jay Foster said:
I mostly lurk here and I have read with interest the situation involving the commercial renters who buy up a bunch of points to make a profit and routinely do this. I am not against renting but not at the sake of causing problems for people who use DVC as it was intended.

I just emailed Disney one auction that I found was particularly in violation of the rules. I am waiting to see if they intend to investigate the matter. I did advise them that these auctions were all over Ebay (although I am sure they may already know that).

I just thought I would pass it along.

Sorry I just cut an pasted most of this from another thread, but it still is pertinent.

As far as defining a pattern, Disney doesn't need or want to do this, because the pattern is not what defines right or wrong, it is simply the red flag that will get their attention. After that they will let their legal team advise them on whether take action. You have to believe they have talked this through a thousand times and in every scenario. There isn't going to be any class actions suits, they know what they are doing. As far as the right or wrong thing to do... well I've been watching a number of threads on this subject and initially I was confused and didn't have a strong opinion either way, but now I do. Disney is doing this because it is hurting their sales and it is hurting the benign DVC owner who is now having difficulty getting ressies in peak times. It is not a severe problem yet, but renting points has certainly taken on a life (and business) of it's own and has the potential of becoming a truly undermining aspect of and to DVC. I want to be able to rent points when I need to. I would even like to rent some points (an amount less than what I personally use) to offset costs. This is reasonable and I think Disney will embrace this type of renting. The (business) of buying and renting solely for that purpose alone is going to end, and I for one think it is the right thing for Disney to do. I believe Disney will get their red flags, evaluate the situation, and take action or maybe give a warning, or accept that particular situation as acceptible activity. This is not going to be a hard nosed action against the typical DVC owner.

JimMIA · Aug 18, 2006

This thread reminds me of a slow news day on cable news. :rolleyes:

disneygrandma · Aug 18, 2006

Just out of curiousity, I just now did a search on E-Bay, the same way I did yesterday afternoon. I just typed in the name of the resort, and then selected "travel" for the category, and searched. Here's what I found today:

Wilderness Lodge - 3 (same as yesterday)
Old Key West - 2 (this was 1 less than yesterday)
Beach Club - 2 (same as yesterday)
Boardwalk - 4 (this was 2 less than yesterday)
Saratoga Springs - 3 (same as yesterday)

I'm sure if you searched different ways, you might come up with even more.

This search told me a couple of things. First, Disney has not cracked down on these. I'm sure Disney had prior knowledge of these E-Bay listings before this Weds. Second, there has not been a mass exit made by these sellers on E-Bay because of our postings here. Third, either these listings had expired, or we've created such an interest in this that they have been purchased.

patsal · Aug 18, 2006

Well, read through all of this one and it is pretty obvious abuse--and lots of incorrect information (perks wher ethe blue card is needed) as well as that the renter can contact MS. Only bothers me becasue people who own at BCV were most likely closed out of a reservation.
http://cgi.ebay.com/Disney-Beach-Cl...oryZ3257QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Island_Lauri · Aug 18, 2006

dumbo71 said:
I guess I'm just old school, I thought points were the owners to do with as they see fit. If they choose to book all peak weeks for there own use at 11 months, that is there business. I don't see it being any different than booking them and then renting them. They are still booked either way and those times are gone. Now transferring points and trying to take advantage of the loophole.... now that is wrong and throws the whole system out of balance.

I disagree. I think there is a BIG DIFFERENCE between an owner deciding that they want to go at peak time such as Christmas and using their points for their vacation compared to an owner deciding that they can make the most money by booking a peak time and renting it out. If you are renting for commerical purposes, you will consistently book at peak times knowing you will get the most money for your points then as it would be the most expensive time for non owners to get the hotel rooms on their own at Disney.

One of the best features of DVC is being able to book a different time each year. We happen to be going at Christmas time this year. (Booked at home resort at 11 months out - day by day). Owners that use their own points for their own vacation will typically not go to Disney every Christmas - which gives other owners a chance to go to Disney for Christmas once in a while. Whereas Commercial Renters may book Christmas (or another peak time) each year to maximize their profit - making it more difficult for other owners to occassionally use their points during a peak time.

As far as the crackdown on transferring points... I experienced that years ago when I traded reservations with another owner so we could get a Beach Cottage at Vero Beach and they wanted to stay in a Boardwalk Standard Villa. We were told that one transfer was allowed in one direction each year. Therefore, we could not transfer our points to each other. We ended up booking our reservations under each other names instead.

Transferring points is something that only owners can do so I don't understand why Disney is against that. I figured that Disney actually encourage renting over transferring as renters got a taste of DVC and a lot of them eventually bought their own points.

JMHO.

tmt martins · Aug 18, 2006

patsal said:
Well, read through all of this one and it is pretty obvious abuse--and lots of incorrect information (perks wher ethe blue card is needed) as well as that the renter can contact MS. Only bothers me becasue people who own at BCV were most likely closed out of a reservation.
http://cgi.ebay.com/Disney-Beach-Cl...oryZ3257QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

ITA but not nearly as bad as the web-sights that are out there just for renters.

What ever happened to todays post from the person that called out some fellow DISers as abusers to the system. It named names and was gone an hour later.Maybe the Rentees have more pull then we all think.

All should all be calling and reporting if it really bothers them rather then come on here and just complain to each other back and forth.

The bottom line is DVD should be held accountable for not holding up it's own rules and finding ways to do that. If I didn't pay my main.fees they would cancel my trip in a heartbeat so why not this .It's against the rules just like non-payment so they can but will they.

JVC · Aug 18, 2006

mushpurple said:
Don't you think this web site is really a business and much more of a problem?

http://www.dvcrequest.com

When you have a web site for some then it is a business. With Ebay it is difficult to tell if everyone and anyone is a business, but it is an east target for all of you because it is high profile.

Disney is more concerned with people who put up a web site and make a business. I found this one easily (not that I know if Disney knows about them), but I have seen quite a few others out there.

Even for those who rent all of their points every year. This is not a crime and was condoned by Disney's lack of action. I do not think there as big a problem as you would think by reading this board.

That's a well laid out site with lots of info but I didn't see any pre-booked vacations for rent.

WDWDave · Aug 18, 2006

Jay

Please continue the good work. We purchased DVC for family vacations and not to compete with commercial renters. The problem is especially troublesome when points are transferred and become points in a resort other than the one purchased.

I rarely post but I am offended by the abuse you have taken in this thread. I'm sure there are plenty of others who feel the same as I do. It's quite likely that the posters who have given you the most grief rent a great deal of points and are more concerned with their personal situation than the overall well being of all DVC'rs.

Please keep sending emails to DVC. I encourage everyone to do the same. If enough of us complain and send emails it may encourage DVC to continue to crack down on commercial renting.

I understand that there are over 100,000 DVC'rs and of these only a few can be in it for profit. It seems obvious to me that the interests of the 100,000 should come before the few.

Once again, thanks and keep going.

mushpurple · Aug 18, 2006

The people on Ebay do not necessarily have pre-booked weeks either.

prez65 · Aug 18, 2006

This is getting better than the Smoking Issue Thread...... popcorn::

Deb & Bill · Aug 18, 2006

It's kind of funny, but if you read between the lines, you can pick out the big renters from the casual renters from the non-renters.

And, thanks, Pluto, I'll be sure to send that nice compact list over the DVC. You made it very easy for me. :rotfl:

But, Rink, I couldn't get any of your links to work.. :rotfl2:

I'd kind of recommend to eBay renters that they at least use a different name than they use on the DIS.

Dean · Aug 18, 2006

Deb & Bill said:
It's kind of funny, but if you read between the lines, you can pick out the big renters from the casual renters from the non-renters.

And, thanks, Pluto, I'll be sure to send that nice compact list over the DVC. You made it very easy for me. But, Rink, I couldn't get any of your links to work..

I'd kind of recommend to eBay renters that they at least use a different name than they use on the DIS.

Doubtful on the big renters as they don't post otherwise as a rule.

prez65 · Aug 18, 2006

Deb & Bill said:
It's kind of funny, but if you read between the lines, you can pick out the big renters from the casual renters from the non-renters.

I'd kind of recommend to eBay renters that they at least use a different name than they use on the DIS.

I have been trying to read between the lines and all I see is white spaces...Who is who? I can't tell.....lets start a list... :duck:

Darn..I have the same ebay name as my disboard name... :badpc:

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