DVC Response About Ebay Commercial Sellers

[Dean]

This commercial renting business is not much different than the reuse of mugs, five in a room, etc. It might not be hurting me (but then again it might be) but it is against the rules. Whether you like it or not.

I would disagree. Some are clearly against the written rules and renting is not. Plus there is a clause in FL statue 721 that says that the developer would be held to the same provisions as the owners.

 

[disneygrandma]

You know you're right about wanting to see the positive side of things. After we purchased our DVC points at WDW in January, I came home and started reading these posts. I told my husband that everyone seems so angry! I was reading post after post about people not getting what they wanted, and on and on.

But as far as this situation with the commercial renters, I don't think it's right that someone would scoop up weeks during prime time, just so they could advertise them as "sold-out" and profit from it. The sellers that don't have existing reservations will only be able to make the new reservations from what is available. That is not giving them an advantage over the other DVC members. I think there is a difference in how these people rent their points.

And of course the average member who needs to rent some points they can't use, well I don't think there's anything wrong with that. It's the large DVC for profit people that I think this thread is referring to.

 

[sajetto]

After we purchased our DVC points at WDW in January, I came home and started reading these posts. I told my husband that everyone seems so angry! I was reading post after post about people not getting what they wanted, and on and on.

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You're right. I've just starting posting on the DVC boards again this week and it hasn't changed. I don't like the DVC boards because people seem to keep their nickers in a twist over here. I think I'll continue to spend the majority of my time on the CB and Wedding Boards as usual, where its not constant negativity, whining, and complaining. I own DVC just like the rest of you, but I have a life beyond it

Every once in a while its nice to check in on what rumors are circling in the DVC community, but the drama gets exhausting

 

[JimMIA]

You're right. I've just starting posting on the DVC boards again this week and it hasn't changed. I don't like the DVC boards because people seem to keep their nickers in a twist over here. I think I'll continue to spend the majority of my time on the CB and Wedding Boards as usual, where its not constant negativity, whining, and complaining. I own DVC just like the rest of you, but I have a life beyond it

Every once in a while its nice to check in on what rumors are circling in the DVC community, but the drama gets exhausting

I think there is often a correlation between number of posts and civility. New posters sometimes aren't quite sure how to act, they've been on other boards which are rough & tumble, etc. It takes a while...some longer than others.

Most (but not all) folks who have been here a while have learned how to disagree without being disagreeable.

 

[mushpurple]

Maybe DVC is a little oversold?

 

[zalansky]

You're right. I've just starting posting on the DVC boards again this week and it hasn't changed. I don't like the DVC boards because people seem to keep their nickers in a twist over here. I think I'll continue to spend the majority of my time on the CB and Wedding Boards as usual, where its not constant negativity, whining, and complaining. I own DVC just like the rest of you, but I have a life beyond it

Every once in a while its nice to check in on what rumors are circling in the DVC community, but the drama gets exhausting

I agree! I come over every now and then to check on rumors and everyone seems so holier than thou at times.

 

[Simba's Mom]

I think it's the PTB at Disney who've put pressure on DVC to stop the renting. Aren't the renters really in competition with Disney by renting out accomodations on Disney property? And I don't think Disney likes any one else "muscling in" on their turf. They want to be the only ones who can rent accomodations. Maybe they've threatened DVC-"Hey, if you don't stop your DVC members who are competing with us, we'll go over to OKW and dig up the pool we gave you."

 

[mushpurple]

Too many people make personal attacks on this web site. This should be about discusssion.

 

[rinkwide]

...everyone seems so holier than thou...

It's not that we're holier, it's just that everyone else are a bunch of unwashed heathens.

 

[Jay Foster]

Whoa, chill, slow down a bit. You're acting a mite threatened here.

I agree. I think the poster Dumbo might want to try a decaffeinated coffee!

 

[dumbo71]

Whoa, chill, slow down a bit. You're acting a mite threatened here.

Sorry that post seemed a little angry.

It is just that the OP made some statements that have not been verified. He still refuses to answer the questions asked of him. I'll have to write it off as ruffling some feathers because I've seen nothing to verify his statements.

As someone who rents each year this issue does effect me. Posts like this get the blood boiling a little.

Imagine for a second, I'm sitting in the DVC office with my guide deciding on how many points I want. I spell out my travel arrangements for the year and come up with a number. The guide then says it is better to go on the high side because "you can always rent the excess." I say " You can rent?" He says "yes, in fact I rent and renting is allowed according to DVC and is spelled out in the POS you'll recieve." Doing my part I ask to see this provision in writing. My guide shows me where it is clearly stated. Silly me, I rent my excess to cover dues and the like because after all "it is allowed."

Now fast forward to the recent email update about commercial renting. Then this guy's post about DVC actually enforcing it. Now you see where I might be a little steamed.

I guess I'm just old school, I thought points were the owners to do with as they see fit. If they choose to book all peak weeks for there own use at 11 months, that is there business. I don't see it being any different than booking them and then renting them. They are still booked either way and those times are gone. Now transferring points and trying to take advantage of the loophole.... now that is wrong and throws the whole system out of balance.

I also declare all rental income on my tax returns. Screwing the IRS... not a good idea.

Sorry if this comes accross harsh but enforcement of this is way overboard and a little doubtful.

 

[brasey]

Quote: Dumbo71
Sorry that post seemed a little angry.

It is just that the OP made some statements that have not been verified. He still refuses to answer the questions asked of him. I'll have to write it off as ruffling some feathers because I've seen nothing to verify his statements.



All he has to do is supply the link and the issue could be put to rest.

 

[dumbo71]

I agree. I think the poster Dumbo might want to try a decaffeinated coffee!

Decaf, Na! I'll settle for another one of Rinkwide's one liners.

Back on topic: stil waiting for the link you keep referencing.............................................................................................

 

[crisi]

It is not for me or you decide whether or not we like it. That is besides the point....it should be live and let live. Disney already knows about all of these people...why not let them do what they are going to do and not try to hurt others. Focus on more positive issues. I would love to see the more positive sides of people shine!

Than live and let live and let Jay report his concerns. None of your business. If Disney chooses to do something they do. If they don't, they don't.

None of my business if people "engage in a pattern of renting for profit." None of my business if other people report those people to member services. Amuse yourselves as you want, guys. I amuse myself by analyzing the resulting patterns of behavior.

 

[Jay Foster]

Fair enough Dumbo. I wasn't going to answer since you seemed a little upset for some odd reason. I merely provided what I did as I lurk here a lot but generally see no need to post. In this instance the egregious violations of the rules on ebay were just too open for me to ignore so I contacted DVC. I actually spoke with them today about it and specifically spoke with a manager who said they were aware of the problem with ebay and they had already taken action. He even asked if I was signed up for the email (which I am) and received the one reminding commercial renters about the rules.

By the way, given what you posted, I don't think this affects you. It only affects commercial renters. It is not going to affect someone who rents points a few times a year because they can't go or whatever. I think it will affect someone who advertises: I can get you dates for any time period as I have them all booked up now.

Does that answer all your questions?

Or do you want to interrogate further? JUST KIDDING! Have a good day!

 

[prez65]

Nothing has been removed from ebay I think the OP was just stirring up s&*t..why didnt he post the link?..I am an avid Ebayer.I do a lot of selling (not DVC) and buying..I rented a Vacation before I purchased DVC to see if I would like it...saved over 600.00 on renting from someone off Ebay than booking through Disney.....which by the way holds a percentage of DVC to rent out..so whats good for the Goose....

Anyway I always check DVC rentals and I can tell you that I see the same people over and over....Check feedback and you can see thats all they sell.nothing has been removed..as far as I am concerned it falls along the lines of scalping tickets...except you usually pay more for sold out tickets but with Disney people are selling for less than Disney would for the same ressies. I have nothing against either...If you are quick enough and smart enough to get the Tickets or Dates at Disney before someone else then more power to you.

Also how would Disney define selling for a profit.....what is the limit on price? What is the limit on how many vacations you can sell?

I like the fact that Disney only lets members check ressies now...it keeps the phone lines from being tied up from non-members and also the transfer idea seems fair...but they can not stop you from selling...neither will ebay. If it wasn't for me renting from ebay I would have not purchased DVC...I am sure a lot of people have rented and than purchased...it would be foolish for Disney to stop people from selling.

I think I am rambling.......Anyway this was just the OP stirring up some crap....otherwise the link would have been posted...and the results would not have happened as fast as they did....Ebay does not pull auctions unless they are violating ebay policy or the law....

 

[JimMIA]

Than live and let live and let Jay report his concerns. None of your business. If Disney chooses to do something they do. If they don't, they don't.

None of my business if people "engage in a pattern of renting for profit." None of my business if other people report those people to member services. Amuse yourselves as you want, guys. I amuse myself by analyzing the resulting patterns of behavior.

That's cold.

But good...

 

[zalansky]

It's not that we're holier, it's just that everyone else are a bunch of unwashed heathens.

ok good one

 

[JimMIA]

Prez -- Calm down...you're hyperventilating, and that's not a good thing. This will all be okay in the morning!

 

[prez65]

I just had another thought about DVC for profit.....How much was the original purchase price for OKW 50.00 a point and now they sell for 80.00 a point...why is that OK to profit on and not renting?

And the Stitch DVC best kept secret pin...selling for more than 30.00......

I needed to add that...I am sure I will get the selling for more than you purchased for is not taken ressies away from DVC members...but you are still making a profit.......and that was the issue.