DVC Response About Ebay Commercial Sellers

[Oreo Cookie]

From what I have been reading on the boards, I think the two biggest gripes that people have with the big renters are 1) the morphing of points and 2) the hoarding of prime weeks. If both of these things can be corrected/controlled by DVC then I think the uproar would subside.

This is so true. I think you are correct, if DVC could correct the morphing of points and the hoarding of prime weeks all the bruhaha would subside.

 

[Dean]

There are reports of resorts not having availability during the priority window, surely THAT has nothing to do with SSR, as theose owners can not book util 7 months, except through morphed points.

AS far as "what difference" if a large commerciual renters points were spread out to 50 or more members...well, if a commecial renter calls right at the 11 month window and books 40 studios in the same call during a premier week...it sure drops the odds for other members, whereas those other 50 members likely wouldn't be wanting the same week all at once.

I disagree on both counts. IMO, the added points from SSR has put pressure on the 7 month window forcing many members at the resorts in question to plan ahead more and reserve during the home resort priority. Obviously there are several factors but SSR is the only one that has changed. If a person calls and wants to reserve 50 units on day 1 of the 11 month window, it takes time to do so. They can really only get ahead of you on the first unit they are working on or the first few if they get several people to call. You can be on the other line getting the next one. No question DVC should track the points correctly but that is on them and no one else. But even morphed points would be as or more deserving than someone who doesn't own at that resort.

 

[Chuck S]

But even morphed points would be as or more deserving than someone who doesn't own at that resort.

Why? Those "morphed" points were not included in the POS or point total for that resort for availability during the priority window.

 

[mushpurple]

My complaint here is the constant attacking.

 

[prez65]

http://cgi.ebay.com/DISNEY-VACATION-CLUB-COASTERS-11-SET_W0QQitemZ320016175190QQihZ011QQcategoryZ138QQssPageNameZWD1VQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

This is starting to get crazy....If people keep doing this I may not have any Coasters on my next trip....

This has been reported to Disney...They are looking into this and feel it is an inside job...

They informed me they have been having this problem ever since SSR opened up...

We must report this type of Ebay selling to Disney....This has to be stopped before we have to deal with cup rings on the resort tables...

 

[Oreo Cookie]

http://cgi.ebay.com/DISNEY-VACATION-CLUB-COASTERS-11-SET_W0QQitemZ320016175190QQihZ011QQcategoryZ138QQssPageNameZWD1VQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

This is starting to get crazy....If people keep doing this I may not have any Coasters on my next trip....

This has been reported to Disney...They are looking into this and feel it is an inside job...

They informed me they have been having this problem ever since SSR opened up...

We must report this type of Ebay selling to Disney....This has to be stopped before we have to deal with cup rings on the resort tables...

 

[Anjelica]

Quote:
Originally Posted by WDWDave
... I am offended by the abuse you have taken in this thread. I'm sure there are plenty of others who feel the same as I do...



Yep, I share this sentiment. Thanks Jay
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I second that. People who take the time out of their lives to rationally inform folks (i.e. Disney in this case) of something you don't feel is right is appreciated.

To me, this is no different then writing a rationale note/letter to Wal-mart, Target, etc. etc. about something you say as wrong or incorrect is/and should be appreciated by their other patrons as sometimes change comes out of these occurences. (And before someone wants to deflate a balloon they think I have blown up - I don't know if Jay's note to Disney will have any impact or not - I just appreciate him taking the time out to write to Disney about something he feels is not correct).

And note - regardless of where you stand on any issue we as consumers have a right and I feel a responsiblity (otherwise don't complain) to inform businesses of what we feel is wrong/right. I personally don't feel that renting for business is right but if you feel it is perfectly acceptable then right Disney and let them know.

 

[keys2kingdom]

If you get rid of all of the Ebay ads (which are easier to notice)....there would still be many commercial renters out there and...

The $10 to $12 you said is a problem is still being done everyday on this board by many different people. There are more individuals renting and they would be much more of a problem as a whole than the few big ones when we talk about availability.

My complaint here is the constant attacking. Please note that I have been trying to have a real discussion on here with people looking at the different sides of story. So what do we say...you rented before so you must be threatened.

Looked up all your past posts, very interesting. No wonder you say "Why not live and let live?". Any argument you were trying to make just lost all credibility with me.

 

[Dean]

Why? Those "morphed" points were not included in the POS or point total for that resort for availability during the priority window.

Remember the statement is compared to non owners at the 7 months window. So you're talking an owner at that resort even if the points in question aren't. IMO, giving them a leg up is certainly reasonable compared to someone who doesn't even own there. Still, it'd be better do keep the points linked to the original home resort. On a related note, the FL laws actually do no protect from having the points cross over, they actually specifically allow it in some cases. Any argument related to over selling is only applicable to the time that is actually SOLD at the resort, not how the points are used, at least legally. As I noted previously recently, there is actually one resort that works on points that does not have a home resort priority. So any points bought anywhere compete at day 1 of any reservation window. That system has a resort in FL and is on the DVC exchange list. Interesting you responded only to a minor point in the post but not the two main ones.

 

[DVCconvert]

Posted by Dean:

...Interesting you responded only to a minor point in the post ...

Curious you should make that observation.
In what way(s) do you find it interesting that ChuckS made the reply he did?

 

[mushpurple]

See instead of discusssing the topic...

We say lets find a way to attack someone!

 

[Dean]

Posted by Dean:


Curious you should make that observation.
In what way(s) do you find it interesting that ChuckS made the reply he did?

Because I specifically and directly disagreed with him on the two main topics of my post in question.

 

[DVCconvert]

See instead of discusssing the topic...

We say lets find a way to attack someone! ....but that has nothing to do with the subject at hand.

But Mushpurple--
that what we humans do best!
As the thin veil of civil discourse progresses, alternative opinions are put forth, as they mound up eventially someone's opinion is contradictary to someone elses. Once the 'disscussion' progresses as to the merits/short comings of another's position the warrior human either out of ego (I DO know it all), or embarrasement, or anger -- the ante is increased with progressively less and less dipolmatic word choices untill someone gives up, or someone "wins", or someone's feelings are truely hurt.
This seemingly unrational, decidedly unsophisticated mechanism is the heretofor zenith of human achievement - when it fails (as history has shown for thousands of years) then the blood starts to be spilled.

 

[Mike]

But Mushpurple--
that what we humans do best!
As the thin veil of civil discourse progresses, alternative opinions are put forth, as they mound up eventially someone's opinion is contradictary to someone elses. Once the 'disscussion' progresses as to the merits/short comings of another's position the warrior human either out of ego (I DO know it all), or embarrasement, or anger -- the ante is increased with progressively less and less dipolmatic word choices untill someone gives up, or someone "wins", or someone's feelings are truely hurt.
This seemingly unrational, decidedly unsophisticated mechanism is the heretofor zenith of human achievement - when it fails (as history has shown for thousands of years) then the blood starts to be spilled.

Wow ... we went from quoting Fonzi to this in less than 20 posts

 

[prez65]

Wow ... we went from quoting Fonzi to this in less than 20 posts

 

[DVCconvert]

Wow ... we went from quoting Fonzi to this in less than 20 posts

Blessed are those who gallantly champion Free Speech!

 

[Chuck S]

I disagree on both counts. IMO, the added points from SSR has put pressure on the 7 month window forcing many members at the resorts in question to plan ahead more and reserve during the home resort priority. Obviously there are several factors but SSR is the only one that has changed. If a person calls and wants to reserve 50 units on day 1 of the 11 month window, it takes time to do so. They can really only get ahead of you on the first unit they are working on or the first few if they get several people to call. You can be on the other line getting the next one. No question DVC should track the points correctly but that is on them and no one else. But even morphed points would be as or more deserving than someone who doesn't own at that resort.

Fine, I'll address the other issues as well.
SSR is not the only factor that has changed. Interest rates on loans, travel costs and the general economy has changed during the last two years, as well. People don't have as much discretionary spending $$ as they did. It costs more to just drive to and from work, to buy groceries, etc. Almost every cost of living has increased because of increased energy costs, but in most cases wages have not increased by te same percentages. It is just as plausible that those factors have increased the desire of some folks to reserve and rent the ressies during the 11 month window.

If a person calls and reserves 50 units on day one of the 11 month window, it does take that many units out of the pool available, just the same as if 50 individuals called to book the same thing. But using your own suggestion that "owners" should be more entitiled than non-owners, then you should also be opposed to that type of commercial renting, as the people who rent those pre-made ressies are NON members, not owners at that resort. In otherwords, an owner is giving non-owners unfair advantage over other owners at that resort.

 

[Deb & Bill]

... But using your own suggestion that "owners" should be more entitiled than non-owners, then you should also be opposed to that type of commercial renting, as the people who rent those pre-made ressies are NON members, not owners at that resort. In otherwords, an owner is giving non-owners unfair advantage over other owners at that resort.

Here, here, Chuck!!!

 

[Pootle]

... But even morphed points would be as or more deserving than someone who doesn't own at that resort...

Dean: Yours are always the views I look for in any interesting/hot thread. The above statement really surprised me though and I don't agree; like it or not, it's what DVC is all about and the way it was sold to everyone - the ability to book elsewhere at 7 months.

Just because there is a new big resort which has changed the booking dynamic (allegedly - but I, like you, believe it to be so) cannot make anyone who plays by the rules less 'deserving' than those who bend/break the rules by 'morphing' points surely?

 

[Dean]

Fine, I'll address the other issues as well.
SSR is not the only factor that has changed. Interest rates on loans, travel costs and the general economy has changed during the last two years, as well. People don't have as much discretionary spending $$ as they did. It costs more to just drive to and from work, to buy groceries, etc. Almost every cost of living has increased because of increased energy costs, but in most cases wages have not increased by te same percentages. It is just as plausible that those factors have increased the desire of some folks to reserve and rent the ressies during the 11 month window.

If a person calls and reserves 50 units on day one of the 11 month window, it does take that many units out of the pool available, just the same as if 50 individuals called to book the same thing. But using your own suggestion that "owners" should be more entitiled than non-owners, then you should also be opposed to that type of commercial renting, as the people who rent those pre-made ressies are NON members, not owners at that resort. In otherwords, an owner is giving non-owners unfair advantage over other owners at that resort.

LOL. I do feel the only thing pertinent to the DVC 7-11 month window that has changed is SSR. I guess we could argue it but there is just as much info to suggest the overall economy has done well, that may be changing but only in the last couple of months, not long enough to affect this equation. I have always said that the 7 month window is OK, just the way the system works, SSR or otherwise.

I also stand by my point that it takes time to schedule those 50 reservations, time that any other member there could call and reserve. If you can't call that early for some reason, that's the way it goes. BTW, I'm on record a number of times as saying DVC SHOULD track the points but until they do, however any issue is on them as should any complaints be. And I would agree with you that one owner who schedules 50 is the same as 50 who schedule one each.