"Double Dip Delight" Alternate Western 09/27/08

[Twin Princesses]

I will be on the look out for your bowl!!!

I have not handed out candy for several years. We turn off our porch light and watch tv in the dark. I hate the fact that parents let their teen age kids out on this night unsupervised.

My son was at the store and some kid took some noodles off the shelve and stomped on them and ran off and met his mom. My son had asked him to come back and clean up his mess and this mom went off on my adult son not her son who had just cost us all money because now the store can't sell the product he destroyed. I told him in the future to go get a store employee and not to handle this on his own. I could see some parent attacking him. It is such a shame that parents no longer feel that they are responsible for the actions of thier children. My kids would have gotten it and they would have paid for the product they ruined and you know as far as I know they never did anything like this.

It is the same thing with the bowl and with magnets that might be on the stateroom door that come up missing. Kids that are unsupervised and parents who do not question when new items show up. That is if the kids bring the magnet, bowls and other items home.

That's enough, Lois

I went with the Girls and Sarah is almost 15 more worried that the girls would go missing

 

[zweihund]

I was curious.. Does anyone have a Myspace page? Mine is set to private so you'd have to be a Friend to view mine.. However drop me a request and I'll approve it..

It's the normal myspace address and then /pfishgirl

I don't have a myspace account, but I do have a facebook page.

Lois - your cruise sounds even more special now

Happy November 1st to everyone, can you believe it??? Ah well, closer to the cruise date anyhow, right?

 

[LadyShiva]

Lois and TwinPrincesses: I am very sorry for your losses. And Lois, ITA!!!

Gotta pay attention to the team call... Talk more later.

Brandie

 

[NHdisneylover]

Lois I am truly sorry for what you and your family have lost this year.

Brandie: Too bad Halloween has not gone well for you this year at all. Odd, Marika called my MiL last night and MiL was worrying because it was a nice night and she wanted to go for a walk but was afraid someone would TP the house if they were not giving out candy. Marika suggested putting out a bowl with a note (which we have done when WE go out for our own ToT), which is what she did. After she got off the phone Marika asked if this was a "Boulder thing." We NEVER had trouble with TPing, eggs, whatnot (even when we lived in a Detroit suburb very close to the city and had about 500 ToT--many comming form unsafe neighborhoods in Detroit proper). We have lived in 5 states in the past 10 years and just not seen that type of junk at all (lucky us), after hearing about your post Marika thinks it is a Colorado thing On the allergy note, Marika has had a number of friends with serious food allergies (one to tree nuts, peanuts and eggs) and the parents have done one of two things so that their little ones could still ToT:
1. Keep the candy they are able to have and let them "trade in" the rest for a bag or two of their choice of safe treats from the store.
2. Keep a few pieces of their favourtie (safe) candy and leave the rest out for the Great Pumpkin to take and replace with a small toy or game.
Maybe one of these ideas would work for Fiona next year?

Teenagers: Hmmm--where do I go with this (should stay out of it but I feel like I want to comment somehow). First off (I don't think anyone here said this, but I do hear it a lot), I think it is GREAT when teens do trick or treat. I know some people hate it, but really, I am all in favour of them doing something innocent and childlike instead of taking Brandie's bowl, egging, the neighbors, etc. Last night one person questioned poor Marika for being too old to trick or treat She looks much older than her 10 years (she is 5' 3" and umm, shall we say, curvy?), which is reason enough not to actually question a kid. She felt terrible about it (and she was in costume, very polite and with her kid brother--sheesh). When teens do not have a costume I give them a good natured hard time (I really do think they should dress up) but still much prefer a costumeless trick or treater to a trouble maker any time. On the bigger issue of supervision, personally I think the issue isn't so much whether someone is directly supervising the troublemaking teens at any given time, but whether they have been taught to be polite/repectful and responsible for their actions or not. For example, the kid who cushed the noodles--it sounds like his motehr did not feel he needed to be held responsible for his actions even when she knew what he did so he likely would have done something similar when she was around. I think too many kids are overly supervised and not given the chance to learn how to handle freedom in small, safe, increasing bigger doses over time AND are also overly sheltered from having to deal with the consequences of their actions thus creating a society of self indulgent brats who can''/won't/don't even know how to take responisblity for their own actions. SO THERE! Off the soap box now.

Happy All Sanits Day everyone

 

[crissichef]

Wow, you guys have been such a bunch of chatters in the last few days........I have been too busy to see what is going on here........

Lois - I am so sorry for your losses this year. I'm sure 2008 will prove to be much better ! It has too, our cruise will finally be here !

Brandie - Sorry about the bowl. I know it is so aggravating!! That was definitely a trick ! We always try to get some type of "non-chocolate" candy for the kids with allergies and fruit snacks for the little ones! Some people even gave out markers and crayon and coloring books this year. I am glad Fiona is feeling better. I know how it feels when your kids are sick. You wish you could be sick for them.

Kimberly - My BIL was at that Ohio State game that I commented on previously! He went to Ohio State and he is still a Buckeye at heart. They even named his dog Buckeye (they call him Buck).

Hope everyone had a great Halloween......both my DD9 and DS2 were pirates.........their costumes are doing double duty ! DS2 really LOVED it this year. He loved saying Trick or Treat!


Talk to you all later,
Crissi

 

[rkandmjsmommy]

Hope everyone had a good halloween

Here is a hug for sick kids, losses and kids being mean and stealing bowls...

We just got back from Target and got Matthew a Captain Jack Sparrow costume ofr $8.49 and Rachel an Elizabeth Swan dress for $12.49 for the cruise

 

[Buckeye Gal]

Hadley, at work today, we had the discussion about teenagers TorT. As you alluded, it can be a controversial topic. As we were discussing "back in OUR days", the high schoolers didn't TorT. So maybe I'm getting old (and I am!), yet I've had the opinion that they should not be participating in TorT. You brought an entirely new perspective that I think is completely valid. Thanks for getting on your soap box. Innocence of treating vs. tricking....it's not rocket science to think through.

 

[Buckeye Gal]

Oh yea....

*BIG* surprise (hear the sarcasm?)....my CafePress order arrived today. All four pieces. Journals are awesome as they have a plastic back and coated cover.

Ladies, FYI that the black cap sleeved t-shirts run very small. Although I haven't tried it on yet, I bet it's nearly 2 sizes too small. Of course I think they're intended to be a little snug fitting, but still!! So consider them tight fitting junior sizes.

 

[Buckeye Gal]

Okay...one more show and tell.

How about my Buckeye pumpkin and Mr. Potato Head Buckeye player?!!! The Mr. Potato Head comes with two different faces, too. TOO CUTE if I say so myself!

 

[anewmac]

Hadley I have the same feeling on Teens TOT. I have no prob giving out to a teen that is DRESSED. I had a few last night that have on there school clothes and no bag just wanted candy. I straight out asked them WHAT ARE YOU. He said a kid... No a kid is small.. your almost 6foot in normal clothing.. come up with something better! On that note he only got a tiny sucker.. a sucker for a sucker LOL

My other pet peave is people taking there BABIES newborns and TOT.. now I have no problem with them bringing them up to the door and seeign them in there costume and I give them a sucker usually... But last night I had 2.. Ill say GIRL, as they looked no older then 19 and acted like it to. When they came up one say Oh its not for me.. So I looked around for a child. The girl goes oh its for my baby... where is he? In his stroller at the end of the drive way with his dad... UMM no if you want candy for "HIM" show me the baby put some effort geez he's already in a stroller just push it 5 feet to my door so I can see him. ... She got sucker!

ok off my soap box too! The kids dont have school tmrw so mom took them to Chuck E Cheese and then they are spending the night with her so she doesnt have to get up early. So its just E and I tonight... off to watch Greys LOL

 

[NHdisneylover]

Anne--trick or treating for a baby?!?! As in way too little to have any solid food or candy? That I have not seen yet. I did have "moms" two times in Detroit who were trick or treating for their "sick kid" Seems to me if your kid is too sick for all the fun you should be home with them. Besides, it is the goign door to door that is the most fun, just buy the kid some candy (assuming an actual sick kid existed which I doubt).

Kimberly, your gear looks great. thanks for the warning about the tight little shirts

 

[MAGICFOR2]

Hadley, I think you are right about letting the teens be teens a little longer, too! I hadn't thought about it that way - when I was walking my kids around 12 years ago, I only saw teens causing trouble, but I'm sure there are well behaved kids, too - I have seen them at the high school recently. I am also "old school" and we were discouraged after age 12. I do like to see them at least in costume and being polite.

Kimberly, Glad you got your order - the shirt is cute - thanks for the warning about the sizes! It's hard to get real people sizes sometimes.

 

[Grandma4ever]

Lois I am truly sorry for what you and your family have lost this year.

Brandie: Too bad Halloween has not gone well for you this year at all. Odd, Marika called my MiL last night and MiL was worrying because it was a nice night and she wanted to go for a walk but was afraid someone would TP the house if they were not giving out candy. Marika suggested putting out a bowl with a note (which we have done when WE go out for our own ToT), which is what she did. After she got off the phone Marika asked if this was a "Boulder thing." We NEVER had trouble with TPing, eggs, whatnot (even when we lived in a Detroit suburb very close to the city and had about 500 ToT--many comming form unsafe neighborhoods in Detroit proper). We have lived in 5 states in the past 10 years and just not seen that type of junk at all (lucky us), after hearing about your post Marika thinks it is a Colorado thing On the allergy note, Marika has had a number of friends with serious food allergies (one to tree nuts, peanuts and eggs) and the parents have done one of two things so that their little ones could still ToT:
1. Keep the candy they are able to have and let them "trade in" the rest for a bag or two of their choice of safe treats from the store.
2. Keep a few pieces of their favourtie (safe) candy and leave the rest out for the Great Pumpkin to take and replace with a small toy or game.
Maybe one of these ideas would work for Fiona next year?

Teenagers: Hmmm--where do I go with this (should stay out of it but I feel like I want to comment somehow). First off (I don't think anyone here said this, but I do hear it a lot), I think it is GREAT when teens do trick or treat. I know some people hate it, but really, I am all in favour of them doing something innocent and childlike instead of taking Brandie's bowl, egging, the neighbors, etc. Last night one person questioned poor Marika for being too old to trick or treat She looks much older than her 10 years (she is 5' 3" and umm, shall we say, curvy?), which is reason enough not to actually question a kid. She felt terrible about it (and she was in costume, very polite and with her kid brother--sheesh). When teens do not have a costume I give them a good natured hard time (I really do think they should dress up) but still much prefer a costumeless trick or treater to a trouble maker any time. On the bigger issue of supervision, personally I think the issue isn't so much whether someone is directly supervising the troublemaking teens at any given time, but whether they have been taught to be polite/repectful and responsible for their actions or not. For example, the kid who cushed the noodles--it sounds like his motehr did not feel he needed to be held responsible for his actions even when she knew what he did so he likely would have done something similar when she was around. I think too many kids are overly supervised and not given the chance to learn how to handle freedom in small, safe, increasing bigger doses over time AND are also overly sheltered from having to deal with the consequences of their actions thus creating a society of self indulgent brats who can''/won't/don't even know how to take responisblity for their own actions. SO THERE! Off the soap box now.

Happy All Sanits Day everyone

Hadley, at work today, we had the discussion about teenagers TorT. As you alluded, it can be a controversial topic. As we were discussing "back in OUR days", the high schoolers didn't TorT. So maybe I'm getting old (and I am!), yet I've had the opinion that they should not be participating in TorT. You brought an entirely new perspective that I think is completely valid. Thanks for getting on your soap box. Innocence of treating vs. tricking....it's not rocket science to think through.

Hadley I have the same feeling on Teens TOT. I have no prob giving out to a teen that is DRESSED. I had a few last night that have on there school clothes and no bag just wanted candy. I straight out asked them WHAT ARE YOU. He said a kid... No a kid is small.. your almost 6foot in normal clothing.. come up with something better! On that note he only got a tiny sucker.. a sucker for a sucker LOL

My other pet peave is people taking there BABIES newborns and TOT.. now I have no problem with them bringing them up to the door and seeign them in there costume and I give them a sucker usually... But last night I had 2.. Ill say GIRL, as they looked no older then 19 and acted like it to. When they came up one say Oh its not for me.. So I looked around for a child. The girl goes oh its for my baby... where is he? In his stroller at the end of the drive way with his dad... UMM no if you want candy for "HIM" show me the baby put some effort geez he's already in a stroller just push it 5 feet to my door so I can see him. ... She got sucker!

ok off my soap box too! The kids dont have school tmrw so mom took them to Chuck E Cheese and then they are spending the night with her so she doesnt have to get up early. So its just E and I tonight... off to watch Greys LOL

Before you read I do understand this is still a minorty of kids but a problem just the same:
I have no issue with teens that dress up ToT but I have issues with kids that do not have respect for anything. Many kids today seem to expect that the world needs to be handed to them. Everyone else is the reason they don't have what they want. It seems too many parents expect the school to teach the kids morals. I know in the past that it was the church that taught families how to act and now many families no longer attend chuch but that doesn't mean that kids can't be taught respect for others and for life in general. I am so sick of the crap I see happening in my community today. Until kids are taught the respect, we will continue to see crime increase and the sadest part is parents who were not taught respect, cannot teach what they do not know. Anyone out they got a solution to the problem? Lois

 

[NHdisneylover]

Lois
I totally agree with you and I was tryign to get that point somewhat across myself when I said it doesn't matter if the troublemakers were supervised or not the problem was they have been taught that to be troublemakers is okay (even good kids with good parenting screw up once in a while but then the good parents make sure their kids have consequences and KNOW they screwed up). It seems a large segment of our society has the weird dichotomy going on (NOT anyone I have seen here--just a general observation of neighbors, etc.). On the one hand there is a push for the kids to grow up quickly (not ToT as teens, Barbie is now a preschool toy, very revealing clothes on little girls, etc. etc.) but on the other hand often the very same parents pushing on these fronts want to keep their children VERY young in "important" (my values) areas of respect, responsiblity, etc (as in "Johnny is only 10 how dare the teacher not let him turn in an assignment two weeks late" or "it was just a prank, kids do that they shouldn't be held accountable" or even just not requiring kids to help out around the house, etc--the neighbors have boys age 15 and 17 who have NEVER in three years we lived here mowed the lawn or even taken in or out the trash barrel because they are "just kids, why should they have to work?"). I really do not think I am a very strict parent, and liek most of us I adore my kids. But I try very hard to remember that I am a PARENT first, not a friend and my job is to put myself out of a job in 18 years or so.

 

[LadyShiva]

I keep having to repeat to myself, "Prepare the child for the path, not the path for the child."

And Fiona's only two, so basically, I'm training MYSELF to do right by her.

Yes, I know not all kids are undisciplined. Maybe this is like how I am the one to attract all the weirdoes? Seriously, can someone check my forehead? DH can walk through downtown Denver fine, no problems, but -I'm- the one that gets prayed for on the street! I'm just lucky that my life is so colorful, huh?

So someone mentioned to me the other day that they were putting up their holiday decorations the day after Halloween. If I did that, there wouldn't be much left of them by Christmas, between the dog and the kid. Wanna speculate on how much would be left at your house?

I admit it, I'm ready for the snow and the holidays, with my famous peppermint cookie (one huge one), and hot cocoa, and all the fixins'!

Brandie

 

[NHdisneylover]

Oooh Brandie I LOVE that "Prepare your child for the path, not the path for your child." I can totally see that I will be using that all the time now.

 

[LadyShiva]

Oooh Brandie I LOVE that "Prepare your child for the path, not the path for your child." I can totally see that I will be using that all the time now.

Thank you for the compliment! Wish I could take credit, but I picked the mantra up hanging around the DISBoards. It helps me keep my sanity at times.

Brandie

 

[Grandma4ever]

Lois
I totally agree with you and I was tryign to get that point somewhat across myself when I said it doesn't matter if the troublemakers were supervised or not the problem was they have been taught that to be troublemakers is okay (even good kids with good parenting screw up once in a while but then the good parents make sure their kids have consequences and KNOW they screwed up). It seems a large segment of our society has the weird dichotomy going on (NOT anyone I have seen here--just a general observation of neighbors, etc.). On the one hand there is a push for the kids to grow up quickly (not ToT as teens, Barbie is now a preschool toy, very revealing clothes on little girls, etc. etc.) but on the other hand often the very same parents pushing on these fronts want to keep their children VERY young in "important" (my values) areas of respect, responsiblity, etc (as in "Johnny is only 10 how dare the teacher not let him turn in an assignment two weeks late" or "it was just a prank, kids do that they shouldn't be held accountable" or even just not requiring kids to help out around the house, etc--the neighbors have boys age 15 and 17 who have NEVER in three years we lived here mowed the lawn or even taken in or out the trash barrel because they are "just kids, why should they have to work?"). I really do not think I am a very strict parent, and liek most of us I adore my kids. But I try very hard to remember that I am a PARENT first, not a friend and my job is to put myself out of a job in 18 years or so.

I keep having to repeat to myself, "Prepare the child for the path, not the path for the child."

And Fiona's only two, so basically, I'm training MYSELF to do right by her.

Yes, I know not all kids are undisciplined. Maybe this is like how I am the one to attract all the weirdoes? Seriously, can someone check my forehead? DH can walk through downtown Denver fine, no problems, but -I'm- the one that gets prayed for on the street! I'm just lucky that my life is so colorful, huh?

So someone mentioned to me the other day that they were putting up their holiday decorations the day after Halloween. If I did that, there wouldn't be much left of them by Christmas, between the dog and the kid. Wanna speculate on how much would be left at your house?

I admit it, I'm ready for the snow and the holidays, with my famous peppermint cookie (one huge one), and hot cocoa, and all the fixins'!

Brandie

I couldn't have said it better myself.

If I put up anything it has to be out of dog mouth reach or like you I would not have any left.

 

[crissichef]

Just wanted to share a picture of my pirates.

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd251/crissichef/Halloween2007001.jpg

I rotated it in photobucket but it is still sideways.....how do I fix it? Anyone know?

Thanks,

Crissi

 

[Grandma4ever]

Just wanted to share a picture of my pirates.

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd251/crissichef/Halloween2007001.jpg

I rotated it in photobucket but it is still sideways.....how do I fix it? Anyone know?

Thanks,

Crissi

Picture looked fine to me. Cute kids.