Donald Trump's sons are morons

[LuvsDragonflies]

They didn't hunt for any altruistic reason, they hunted those animals down because it made them feel like big men.

Funny how you can have all that money at your disposal and still have Little Willie Syndrome.

 

[npmommie]

I grew up in a family where hunting was part of or lives,and some years the only way we all stayed fed. We would have likely gone hungry if not for the deer in the freezer. I see nothing wrong with hunting for food. It is no different than gonig to the gorcery for ground beef, just a whole lot cheaper and less processed, plus it is vital in maintaining the health of our natural resources where humans and animals share space.

The land my family hunted was designated a s aland managment track. The fish and game service came in a tracked the deer population. They set the numbers that MUST be killed to maintian a healthy population. That is right, the scientists at land management told us how many deer HAD to be take n by hunters to keep the population healthy. If the hunters that managed the land didn't kill enough deer, they lost thier right to manage the land.

I don't think many people realize it, but land managment hunting is actually NECESSARY in populated areas to maintian a healthy population of animals. Natural predators have been all but eliminated in many areas becuase people have moved in and pocketed off sections of forseted land in between communities, even in ares that are still pretty rural. Human population disrupts natural patterns for wildlife. If the prey species are not thinned, disease and starvation will follow. You can thank deer hunters in the US for keeping lime disease under control for one. If big game hunters are truly land managment hunting, and what they kill is being consumed, I don't see a problem. Killing and animal just for a trophy, not so much.

Meat is not necessary in a diet, so I don't think you would have starved without deer meat. just sayin

I also will say even though I disagree with hunting, doing it to feed yourself and family is a bit different than doing it just for the "sport".

Land management keeps the deer numbers high so people CAN hunt on state game lands. If people did not hunt the deer population would self regulate. more deer less food, less births, less deer more food more births, its a cycle, part of nature. man is not needed.
and as for Lyme disease it is spread to the humans by mice, the deer carry the ticks, yes, but the ticks prefer the mice and that is how it comes to contact in human areas and that is how the tick is infected with lyme. the deer in populated areas are the ones bringing it to the homeowners areas due to the fact that most homes have the type of shrubs and landscaping deer prefer.
so the deer out in those state run gamelands arent the ones bringing the ticks to our mice its the ones in the woods behind my house

They didn't hunt for any altruistic reason, they hunted those animals down because it made them feel like big men.

Funny how you can have all that money at your disposal and still have Little Willie Syndrome.

 

[ccgirl]

Personally, I do not see an issue with it if they are going to eat the meat. I eat meat as does my entire family. My children are very much aware that the meat was alive at one point in time and had to be killed for us to eat it. My DD9 even says, "that's the circle of life".

 

[LuvsDragonflies]

Personally, I do not see an issue with it if they are going to eat the meat. I eat meat as does my entire family. My children are very much aware that the meat was alive at one point in time and had to be killed for us to eat it. My DD9 even says, "that's the circle of life".

They didn't eat the meat. They got their trophy photos (did they take home parts or skins too?) and went home. They killed for the thrill. If anyone got to eat any meat (and I believe that is still not clear?) , that was besides the point.

 

[ccgirl]

They didn't eat the meat. They got their trophy photos (did they take home parts or skins too?) and went home. They killed for the thrill. If anyone got to eat any meat (and I believe that is still not clear?) , that was besides the point.

Perhaps to you. However, in my opinion (and I realize everyone does not have the same opinion), it is an important part of the story. If the food is eaten (I don't care by whom) then I personally see nothing wrong with it.

 

[LuvsDragonflies]

Perhaps to you. However, in my opinion (and I realize everyone does not have the same opinion), it is an important part of the story. If the food is eaten (I don't care by whom) then I personally see nothing wrong with it.

That's okay, your opinion is your opinion.

I believe, however, that they paid to have a murder thrill and that there's nothing redeemable in what they did. They paid cash to murder. Plain and simple. If they were really being philanthropic about it, the would have stuck to normal people food like the wildebeast, antelope, etc. Not gone and murdered an elephant, crocodile and leopard.

Just another couple of rich boys paying for a thrill. I don't get what they are so proud of. Someone else tracked and trapped the animals so they could get a shot, wooooow...real thrill there. It bothers me (among other things) that people like this really aren't doing the "hunting" they are just pulling the trigger to kill something.

REAL hunters track their own prey, these guys just shot their victims in cold blood.

 

[luvmy3]

Perhaps to you. However, in my opinion (and I realize everyone does not have the same opinion), it is an important part of the story. If the food is eaten (I don't care by whom) then I personally see nothing wrong with it.

I agree. I eat meat, but I don't kill it, someone else does. The fact is, it is hypocritical to go to the grocery store every week and pick up my packages of beef, pork and chicken and then have a problem with someone killing an animal and someone else eating that meat.
As far as the trophy hunting goes, not something I could do, but I don't see people who do as villains or morons.

 

[luvmy3]

That's okay, your opinion is your opinion.

I believe, however, that they paid to have a murder thrill and that there's nothing redeemable in what they did. They paid cash to murder. Plain and simple. If they were really being philanthropic about it, the would have stuck to normal people food like the wildebeast, antelope, etc. Not gone and murdered an elephant, crocodile and leopard.

Just another couple of rich boys paying for a thrill. I don't get what they are so pround of. Someone else tracked and trapped the animals so they could get a shot, wooooow...real thrill there. It bothers me (among other things) that people like this really aren't doing the "hunting" they are just pulling the trigger to kill something.

REAL hunters track their own prey, these guys just shot their victims in cold blood.

How do you know what they did there? Were you on the hunt with them?
Its kinda hard to tell if you have a problem with the fact that they hunted, or they are rich. Or both.

 

[ccgirl]

That's okay, your opinion is your opinion.

I believe, however, that they paid to have a murder thrill and that there's nothing redeemable in what they did. They paid cash to murder. Plain and simple. If they were really being philanthropic about it, the would have stuck to normal people food like the wildebeast, antelope, etc. Not gone and murdered an elephant, crocodile and leopard.

Just another couple of rich boys paying for a thrill. I don't get what they are so proud of. Someone else tracked and trapped the animals so they could get a shot, wooooow...real thrill there. It bothers me (among other things) that people like this really aren't doing the "hunting" they are just pulling the trigger to kill something.

REAL hunters track their own prey, these guys just shot their victims in cold blood.

"normal people food" according to whom? I bet in that area, those animals are "normal" food to them. Heck, in many parts of the US alligator is "normal" food so I don't see how crocodile can be much different. If you eat meat, people killed that meat for you. The only difference is they didn't have to pay to kill it and probably got paid for the meat. So, they are actually making money off of "pulling the trigger to kill something.:

I agree. I eat meat, but I don't kill it, someone else does. The fact is, it is hypocritical to go to the grocery store every week and pick up my packages of beef, pork and chicken and then have a problem with someone killing an animal and someone else eating that meat.
As far as the trophy hunting goes, not something I could do, but I don't see people who do as villains or morons.

How do you know what they did there? Were you on the hunt with them?
Its kinda hard to tell if you have a problem with the fact that they hunted, or they are rich. Or both.

Yes, this is exactly how I feel. If you don't meat, I can understand being outraged. If you eat meat, I really don't understand being outraged by this if, indeed, the meat was consumed by someone.

 

[LuvsDragonflies]

"The guides do all the work," Froelich said. "They track the animals which are not that hard to find. It's kind of like finding a rat in New York. Then the 'hunters' get out of their jeep, which comes with a fully stocked bar, and get to cut off an elephant's tail before having another gin and tonic. Its called a 'Sun Down,' after the sun goes down you have a drink and admire what you have killed."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/14/donald-trump-jr-eric-trump-hunting_n_1344998.html

I thought it quite clear, I have a problem with people that hunt for a thrill. I also have a problem with people being able to throw enough money at something reprehensible to make it "okay".

Let's face it, with a professional hunter/tracker, all these guys did was follow along, point, shoot, carve up a little bit and have a drink. So it's not "the hunt" that is the thrill for them, it's shooting trapped animals. I wonder if someone shot the animals first with some kind of drug so the little boys didn't get hurt. We'll never know.

People who hunt for food is one thing, hunting for "the thrill" is another. One is sustenance, the other is some kind of psychotic need.

Again, just my opinion.

 

[luvmy3]

"The guides do all the work," Froelich said. "They track the animals which are not that hard to find. It's kind of like finding a rat in New York. Then the 'hunters' get out of their jeep, which comes with a fully stocked bar, and get to cut off an elephant's tail before having another gin and tonic. Its called a 'Sun Down,' after the sun goes down you have a drink and admire what you have killed."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/14/donald-trump-jr-eric-trump-hunting_n_1344998.html

I thought it quite clear, I have a problem with people that hunt for a thrill. I also have a problem with people being able to throw enough money at something reprehensible to make it "okay".

Let's face it, with a professional hunter/tracker, all these guys did was follow along, point, shoot, carve up a little bit and have a drink. So it's not "the hunt" that is the thrill for them, it's shooting trapped animals. I wonder if someone shot the animals first with some kind of drug so the little boys didn't get hurt. We'll never know.

People who hunt for food is one thing, hunting for "the thrill" is another. One is sustenance, the other is some kind of psychotic need.

Again, just my opinion.

Well I guess my opinion is that since you obviously have never hunted with or without a guide or tracker, you have no idea what really goes on during the hunt or why it is a thrill for those who do.
It is also my opinion that you resent the fact that these young men have alot of money and choose to do things they enjoy with it.
It is also my opinion that if you eat meat (I don't recall you saying so) taht someone else killed, whether it was for sport or because they raise animals to slaughter themself, that you are a hypocrit.

Again, just my opinion.

 

[joviroxx]

I have to say, its amusing to me what people find OK to have an opinion on and judge as opposed to what is "none of our business" and we have no right to judge....

 

[cornflake]

Perhaps to you. However, in my opinion (and I realize everyone does not have the same opinion), it is an important part of the story. If the food is eaten (I don't care by whom) then I personally see nothing wrong with it.

It doesn't matter to you what it was or the circumstance as long as someone ate it? I mean one could use that one to excuse Ted Bundy of some stuff, if you see my point.

Can we separate some things out here?

The Trumps (both generations) are tools. Utter jackholes. Always have been, always will be. I don't think I've heard a story about them doesn't involve eyeroll-worthy behaviour at best.

The hunting was for sport. They weren't going out to hunt IN ORDER to feed anyone, though to some of us, that'd be irrelevant.

They hunted at least some animals (the elephant and leopard), that are not only not overabundant but in greatly diminishing numbers.

Elephants, at least, are very smart, social creatures who live decades.

Anyone can think some or all of these are more or less important or relevant but I think some are getting smushed in together...

 

[Zandy595]

It doesn't matter to you what it was or the circumstance as long as someone ate it? I mean one could use that one to excuse Ted Bundy of some stuff, if you see my point.

Can we separate some things out here?

The Trumps (both generations) are tools. Utter jackholes. Always have been, always will be. I don't think I've heard a story about them doesn't involve eyeroll-worthy behaviour at best.

The hunting was for sport. They weren't going out to hunt IN ORDER to feed anyone, though to some of us, that'd be irrelevant.

They hunted at least some animals (the elephant and leopard), that are not only not overabundant but in greatly diminishing numbers.

Elephants, at least, are very smart, social creatures who live decades.

Anyone can think some or all of these are more or less important or relevant but I think some are getting smushed in together...

 

[ccgirl]

It doesn't matter to you what it was or the circumstance as long as someone ate it? I mean one could use that one to excuse Ted Bundy of some stuff, if you see my point.

Can we separate some things out here?

The Trumps (both generations) are tools. Utter jackholes. Always have been, always will be. I don't think I've heard a story about them doesn't involve eyeroll-worthy behaviour at best.

The hunting was for sport. They weren't going out to hunt IN ORDER to feed anyone, though to some of us, that'd be irrelevant.

They hunted at least some animals (the elephant and leopard), that are not only not overabundant but in greatly diminishing numbers.

Elephants, at least, are very smart, social creatures who live decades.

Anyone can think some or all of these are more or less important or relevant but I think some are getting smushed in together...

Obviosly, I would have a different opinion if they killed people like Ted Bundy. That is illegal. I believe what they did was legal. You've never heard a story that doesn't involve eye rolling behavior because that is what gets the most attention in the media. Not the great amount of money they give to charity. What about all of the other US citizens on that safari. Why don't we hear about them? Because, the media like to give out lots of info about rich people. Again, just my opinion.

 

[princessmom29]

Meat is not necessary in a diet, so I don't think you would have starved without deer meat. just sayin

I also will say even though I disagree with hunting, doing it to feed yourself and family is a bit different than doing it just for the "sport".

Land management keeps the deer numbers high so people CAN hunt on state game lands. If people did not hunt the deer population would self regulate. more deer less food, less births, less deer more food more births, its a cycle, part of nature. man is not needed.
and as for Lyme disease it is spread to the humans by mice, the deer carry the ticks, yes, but the ticks prefer the mice and that is how it comes to contact in human areas and that is how the tick is infected with lyme. the deer in populated areas are the ones bringing it to the homeowners areas due to the fact that most homes have the type of shrubs and landscaping deer prefer.
so the deer out in those state run gamelands arent the ones bringing the ticks to our mice its the ones in the woods behind my house

We didn't have the money to go out and buy the specialty items necessary to stay healthy on a meatless diet, nor did we have money for ant fruit or veg we didn't grow. We would have been malnourished without the meat. Most people who are struggling to get by cannot afford to live vegitarian and keep their kids healthy. Many people who promote this lifestyle don't want to admit it, but it is true, especially when children are involved. You don't know what you are talking about as far as land managment goes. Prior to managed hunting, the deer in our area were often sick, scrawny, ect but there were still WAY too many of them. They were still reproducing at the same level, but producing fewer healthy adults. Man becumes needed when natural predators are suddenly taken out of the equation and evolution doesn't have time to catch up with the new situation. Would it eventually level out? Yes, in several hundered years. Is that what is best for prey species in the interim? Probably not.

 

[ccgirl]

Sorry, double post.

 

[LuvsDragonflies]

Well I guess my opinion is that since you obviously have never hunted with or without a guide or tracker, you have no idea what really goes on during the hunt or why it is a thrill for those who do.
It is also my opinion that you resent the fact that these young men have alot of money and choose to do things they enjoy with it.
It is also my opinion that if you eat meat (I don't recall you saying so) taht someone else killed, whether it was for sport or because they raise animals to slaughter themself, that you are a hypocrit.

Again, just my opinion.

Ooooo! Who else is of the opinion that I am now the victim of a personal attacK? Really lubs, you should back away when you get to this point. I've not attacked you nor event hinted at anything derogatory about you. Breath.

I eat meat, I try to do free range when possible because it seems more humane, I would love to give up the meat, but am afraid I am addicted. You never know tho, stranger things have happened.

As for hunting, you would know this how? Just an FYI, my dh is a hunter, bow to be exact. So I probably know a bit more about the "hunting world" than you. He tracks his own game and cleans his own kills.

There is a BIG difference between hunting animals to eat them and other wise use their resources and hunting to kill something just to hang it's head on the wall to show people you can kill things.

Also, most people will take an herbivore over any carnivore for food because the meat is much gameier, also you need to avoid the liver because it's way to high in certain vitamins and such, so it isn't good for you to eat.

Starving people will eat anything and be happy for it. Although if you are going to use the "feed the people" angle, it really should be with animals they would normally eat. I don't care where you are, leopard is not normally on the menu, I don't believe the "villagers" eat a whole lot of elephant or crocodile either, but I could be wrong.

As for having it in for them because they are rich, , nope, it's because I consider them contemptable. I like Prince William and he's rich. I like Oprah, kinda, and she's rich too. So I'm comfortable in the fact that I don't hate rich people, I just really dislike the Trump boys decision to murder animals for fun.

 

[npmommie]

We didn't have the money to go out and buy the specialty items necessary to stay healthy on a meatless diet, nor did we have money for ant fruit or veg we didn't grow. We would have been malnourished without the meat. Most people who are struggling to get by cannot afford to live vegitarian and keep their kids healthy. Many people who promote this lifestyle don't want to admit it, but it is true, especially when children are involved. You don't know what you are talking about as far as land managment goes. Prior to managed hunting, the deer in our area were often sick, scrawny, ect but there were still WAY too many of them. They were still reproducing at the same level, but producing fewer healthy adults. Man becumes needed when natural predators are suddenly taken out of the equation and evolution doesn't have time to catch up with the new situation. Would it eventually level out? Yes, in several hundered years. Is that what is best for prey species in the interim? Probably not.

You don't know what you are talking about. Sorry but no specialty items are needed to follow a vegetarian diet. Even when kids are involved. I shop at a regular grocery store, I buy nothing special. My kids are healthy.

 

[LuvsDragonflies]

In many areas the deer need to be thinned, otherwise many will die a slow death of starvation in the winter. Part of the reason is because there aren't many (if any) natural predators left in many suburban areas. The deer come in because of the tasty plants and flowers available, and the young tender bark of trees in the winter. They have learned where to find more food, in our yards.