Do People Really.......???

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nuttylawprofessor said:
:stir: And just because it's fun... has anyone noticed the fine print under the mug handles. None of our older CBR, WL, or AKL mugs say it, but the new Poly ones do: "Free refills until the end of your stay. Refills only at location purchased." I was going to bring it in to the park and refill it at a water fountain, but I was afraid the mugafia would cap me. :teeth:

When we were first introduced to the mugs by CM's in the WL in 1996, they clearly told us they were good forever. I've lost one, but I still have the other and I just rechecked all of my mugs. There is no mention of this clause on duration because it is "new".

The last mugs we bought were probably 5 years ago, and I'd still swear that they marketed them as good forever...

Steve

Going to be adding to my mug collection with a "properly labeled new Poly" mug in August, unless we change reservations to the WL or AKL again
 
santonucci said:
When we were first introduced to the mugs by CM's in the WL in 1996, they clearly told us they were good forever. I've lost one, but I still have the other and I just rechecked all of my mugs. There is no mention of this clause on duration because it is "new".

The last mugs we bought were probably 5 years ago, and I'd still swear that they marketed them as good forever...

Steve

Going to be adding to my mug collection with a "properly labeled new Poly" mug in August, unless we change reservations to the WL or AKL again

Yes, but according to some people here even if they were marketed as that, which these people tend not to beleive, anyone buying one so marketed would have still understood that in the history of contract law there has never been such a thing as an unlimited contract and a reasonable person would know that. They also think that even if it was marketed to you as being unlimited, now that they have changed the policy you should follow that or otherwise you are cheating the system and ruining it for everyone.
 
santonucci said:
When we were first introduced to the mugs by CM's in the WL in 1996, they clearly told us they were good forever.

I got your back on this one...:wave2:
When I bought my first mug @ ASM I was told by CM's free refills for the life of the mug. It doesn't say anything about it on the mug itself.
Last year I bought a new one at POP. It does have a disclaimer: "Free unlimited refills from our beverage islands during the stay in which the mug was purchased".
 
Diapers: Yes some do this...and some make it look like they do it. They will use a clean diaper with a mustard stain or something to prevent someone from hijacking their stroller while they are on a ride.

Swap: The only thing I have ever seen swapped is pins. If I am missing out on something...someone tell me!

Double cheese burger/extra bun: I have never seen it but I am sure ppl do it all the time. I think I remember reading in another thread that Disney charges for the extra bun...so maybe they are not saving that much anyway.

Topping bar: :rolleyes1 hummmm, well, I ummm....GUILTY! Last time we where there we were eating lunch and I ordered a burger and a drink. I was so hot that the burger just didn't appeal to me after I got it...so while I was at the topping bar I just decided I would make myself a side salad from the toppings. It worked and was good too. I picked at the burger but ended up tossing 3/4 of it.

Guest room: On our last visit we had a room next to us at POP that had at least 7 ppl in the room. We watched CM approach them at the pool and ask for their resort key. Only a few had them...the rest only had park passes. Not sure what really happened but that same night 2 CM's helped them leave the room. Not sure if they were going to another 2 rooms, or if they were asked to leave or what, but with it being so late...9:30ish...well after check out I assumed something was done about it.

Mugs: Personnally I think all mugs should be good at all WDW locations including the parks. We have a park in Southern IN called Holiday World. They offer free unlimited soft drinks and sunblock with park admission. My family and many others love this. I think this would be nothing more than a win~win for WDW. Also, as I stated in another post in this thread...years ago when I bought my first mug I was told that I got free refills for the life of the mug. My newer mugs now say only during that stay and at the reosrt of purchase...but if you see someone with an older mug they may have bought in under the better deal and are doing NOTHING wrong.

Pool Hopping: Wow...this has fueled many a thread before. The truth is pool hopping is only allowed to DVC members and a few resorts have sister resorts that allow this...such as POR & POFQ. This policy is in affect for a reason and while I dont normally pay alot of attention to what other people are doing, or where they are doing it (within reason...get your mind out of the gutter) I do believe that I paid for the amenities at my resort, and I should be allowed to use them. When people pool hop they are making more crowds than need be at the pool in question and when it is to crowded my family and I can not enjoy what we are paying for.
 

chobie said:
Actaully, I was more defending the people who don't read these boards and have no idea that staying at anything less than a delux makes them an automatic suspect for rule breaking. You know, the people who a trip to WDW is really a once a lifetime deal and who will never stay at the POLY and who might even stay at an off-site, God forbid.

Sorry, I was not clear.

However, I have seen threads were people who stay at the concierge level and witness poor behavior there also blame it on people who cannot actually afford the conceirge level but are irresponisble and max out the credit cards to stay there. So, No matter what level people stay at any boorish behavior will atributed to one having less money then those who behave properly.

I don't think that's what people are saying.

I think the general tone is that people who stay at the deluxe's are paying for deluxe accomodations. People who are not paying for these have no right to use them. I sincerely doubt that the pool-hopping issue is caused by deluxes going to the AS pool, but the rule applies in both directions, as well as laterally.

The majority of people who go to WDW never even think about pool-hopping. Their families select the resort they want to enjoy, and they have a good time. As it has been pointed out countless times, some people do not believe that the rules apply to them, and will do what they please. It doesn't mean that the rest of us need to accept this behavior and assume that we can't make a difference. Standing back and doing nothing has never worked in the recorded history of mankind.

I really don't care where anyone stays, as long as they STAY there. Visit the other hotels and tour the lobbies, eat at the restaurants, take pictures. My first "on property stay" was a direct result of walking into the Wilderness Lodge. I looked at my new bride and said "We're staying here next time." I've been to most of the properties, and I choose to spend MORE because I get two weeks a year, and 7 days at WDW. On my first trip to WDW, I couldn't afford to stay on property. Now, I can, and I can afford the deluxes. I never once considered breaking the rules because it affects a bunch of people I don't know, but respect as human beings anyway.

Short disclosure on the "social class theory" I've read. I grew up with my grandparents who took in my mom and three brothers after a failed marriage. At the time, I assumed we were middle class, because there were people in the neighborhood that had less than us. As I got older and exposed to more people, the middle class seemed optimistic. I worked my way through college, got an education, and repaid my debt. In the 18 years since I graduated, I have prospered through hard work, determination, and never thinking that I was "owed" anything.

Many people have posted with the assumption that there is no respect for people at the Values or Moderates. I disagree. I have no respect for people that have no respect for others.

Class is not a matter of money. It is how you conduct your daily life and how you act in the presence of others. I continue to explain to my children that there is right and wrong in the world, and they need to be strong enough to make the right choices.

It might seem like the "Deluxes" are all about money and entitlement, but I think that if everyone read this thread very carefully, the issues are not financially motivated.

Finally- my 2 cents on food sharing...

Grandfather was a drill sargeant in the Marine Corps. If you took it, you ate it. Having grown up in the Depression, waste was not an option. The Corps came home with him, and he raised his family that way. I was also raised that way.

If you think you've ever been poor, leave the US for any Third World country. You might view splitting a hamburger instead of wasting 1/2 of a hamburger differently...

Steve

I pay for a Nissan, I drive a Nissan- not a Mercedes.
 
MinnieGirl33 said:
OK I'm sure I'm going to get flamed for this but...

Does anyone else think that if you are so strapped for money that you resort ot some of these tactics, you really should be putting your money somewhere (ie, bills) other than Disney.

I know, I know, I can hear it... "Don't tell me how to spend MY money"

JMHO


Santonuncci, this was like 11th post after the OP and the pool hopping thing was not mentioned in the OP. This is how the thread turned into class warfare, it was not about pool hopping.

I, at no point, defended the pool hopping. The burger sharing does not affect people who stay at a delux, nor is it breaking any rules. People who stay at deluxes are not "entitled" to tell other people how to spend their money. They are entitled to get what they paid for and that does include use of the pools. But that is not what some people were referring to. That's great that you did not see it that way, but I and others did. It is one thing for people to say that you pay for the pool that belongs to your resort. It is another thing to make blanket statements about people who are on budgets and/or tell them how to live their lives. That is a kind of "entitlement" mentality wherein some people feel entitled to tell others with less how they should spend their money. And that is not classy.

I tell my children that showing class is to mind their own business and not scrutinize how many condiments other people are putting on their burgers and making value judgments about them based on splitting a burger.

It is also wrong to make assumptions about people you don't know. And where it may be true that a Poly staying person is unlikley to pool hop to POP, it is just as likely that a person staying at the Contempory may have decided that the volcano pool looked more inviting then their pool. You have no way of telling who the pool hoppers are let alone from which resort they are pool hopping from.
 
santonucci said:
Class is not a matter of money. It is how you conduct your daily life and how you act in the presence of others. I continue to explain to my children that there is right and wrong in the world, and they need to be strong enough to make the right choices.

:thumbsup2 :thumbsup2 ::yes:: ::yes::
Bravo! Your post is one of the best I've read on this thread. I 100% agree with you.... couldn't have written it better myself.
 
themudd4 said:
I got your back on this one...:wave2:
When I bought my first mug @ ASM I was told by CM's free refills for the life of the mug. It doesn't say anything about it on the mug itself.
Last year I bought a new one at POP. It does have a disclaimer: "Free unlimited refills from our beverage islands during the stay in which the mug was purchased".

The mug I purchased at AS Music last month has the same "good for the length of your stay" disclaimer printed on it, but I don't think it says anything about only being good at the site of purchase. I'm guessing because you can use any All-Stars mug at all the AS hotels. They even had some AS Sports mugs for sale at the AS Music food court.

I've never re-used a mug over more than one trip because I've moved between every one of my last 3 trips so I always just got rid of the mugs, lol. My girlfriend and I did buy one mug and share it on our last trip. If that makes us cheap rule-breakers, so be it. We also share a drink 99% of the time when we eat at a fast food or counter service type place. To me sharing a mug is just like sharing any other drink.
 
Ava said:
The mug I purchased at AS Music last month has the same "good for the length of your stay" disclaimer printed on it, but I don't think it says anything about only being good at the site of purchase. I'm guessing because you can use any All-Stars mug at all the AS hotels. They even had some AS Sports mugs for sale at the AS Music food court.

I've never re-used a mug over more than one trip because I've moved between every one of my last 3 trips so I always just got rid of the mugs, lol. My girlfriend and I did buy one mug and share it on our last trip. If that makes us cheap rule-breakers, so be it. We also share a drink 99% of the time when we eat at a fast food or counter service type place. To me sharing a mug is just like sharing any other drink.

My ASM mug is about 4-5 years old now I guess...so that is where the difference is. I am sure Disney has changed things since then. Like I said my POP mug from last year I quoted word for word what it said about it. But I dont remember being told any differnet by a cast member either. We share our mugs all the time. We have 2 kids and last year I ended up having to buy 4 mugs just because no one ever wanted the same thing as another person. But I dont think that makes anyone a rule breaker. I think if you pay $12 for a mug it should be good when and where you want to use it! I guess I am a cheap rule breaker too...
 
chobie said:
Your an anonymous person with 48 posts on an internet forum.
So you are looking down you nose at somebody with 48 post from your high horse with 2815 posts. :rolleyes:
 
mickeyfan2 said:
So you are looking down you nose at somebody with 48 post from your high horse with 2815 posts. :rolleyes:

Um no, I'm just pointing out that was why I did not feel foolish about posting what I did because I don't know that poster's history enough to understand where she was coming from.

But keep trying to put me in my place --eventually you might "win".
 
chobie said:
...It is one thing for people to say that you pay for the pool that belongs to your resort. It is another thing to make blanket statements about people who are on budgets and/or tell them how to live their lives. That is a kind of "entitlement" mentality wherein some people feel entitled to tell others with less how they should spend their money. And that is not classy.

I tell my children that showing class is to mind their own business and not scrutinize how many condiments other people are putting on their burgers and making value judgments about them based on splitting a burger.

I wasn't pointing directly at you, but merely the most recent post that mentioned 'social class' being tied to a resort choice. Everyone is 'entitled' to get what they pay for, and I hope everyone enjoys their trips as much as we enjoy ours.

I was merely pointing out that the common theme in pool hopping is that some posters had didn't care about the rules and the effect it might have on others. Ditto on smoking. Drunk driving. Condiments. Life.

It is common to try to justify breaking the rules to overcome a moral dilemma. "I'm paying for Disney". "No one got hurt by it". Yada Yada Yada...It's just their conscience nagging them :)

How people chose to spend their money is up to them. Stay where you want. Split a meal (to save money, not waste food... whatever). I have no right to tell you what you or anyone else should spend money on, but I can have a very strong opinion about people that break the rules for their own profit and my loss.

Steve

Going to make it my mission to have one "pool-hopper" tossed in August! For every person like them, there's someone like me...
 
santonucci said:
I wasn't pointing directly at you, but merely the most recent post that mentioned 'social class' being tied to a resort choice. Everyone is 'entitled' to get what they pay for, and I hope everyone enjoys their trips as much as we enjoy ours.

I was merely pointing out that the common theme in pool hopping is that some posters had didn't care about the rules and the effect it might have on others. Ditto on smoking. Drunk driving. Condiments. Life.

It is common to try to justify breaking the rules to overcome a moral dilemma. "I'm paying for Disney". "No one got hurt by it". Yada Yada Yada...It's just their conscience nagging them :)

How people chose to spend their money is up to them. Stay where you want. Split a meal (to save money, not waste food... whatever). I have no right to tell you what you or anyone else should spend money on, but I can have a very strong opinion about people that break the rules for their own profit and my loss.

Steve

Going to make it my mission to have one "pool-hopper" tossed in August! For every person like them, there's someone like me...

I agree with every thing you said in this post and your last, EXCEPT for the part where you said there is not social class being tied to resort choices. If you read these boards enough, you'll see that there are SOME people who do make comments of that sort. And when I see them I will comment on those. People who make assumtpions about others based on a percieved lack of money are no better than those who break rules and try to justify it.

Again, no one has any idea who is pool hopping from what resort or that people who are splitting a meal do it because they can't afford a second one.
 
mickeyfan2 said:

Maybe you can share with Steve some of your tricks for spotting pool hoppers --like snooping around people's things to see how much stuff they have brought with them or eavesdropping on children's conversations to hear if they say such suspcious things as "we like this pool better than ours."
 
santonucci said:
Going to make it my mission to have one "pool-hopper" tossed in August! For every person like them, there's someone like me...

I doubt it. Rule-breakers will always outnumber the hopelessly self-righteous. ;)
 
chobie said:
Maybe you can share with Steve some of your tricks for spotting pool hoppers --like snooping around people's things to see how much stuff they have brought with them or eavesdropping on children's conversations to hear if they say such suspcious things as "we like this pool better than ours."
On please switch to a different channel. Again another joke that got by you. When did I say I snooped or eavesdropped. I answered a question somebody asked and now you exaggerate it to show you superiority. Please put your horse back in the stable, bolt the door and throw away the key. :rolleyes:
 
chobie said:
I agree with every thing you said in this post and your last, EXCEPT for the part where you said there is not social class being tied to resort choices. If you read these boards enough, you'll see that there are SOME people who do make comments of that sort. And when I see them I will comment on those. People who make assumtpions about others based on a percieved lack of money are no better than those who break rules and try to justify it.

Again, no one has any idea who is pool hopping from what resort or that people who are splitting a meal do it because they can't afford a second one.

I'm sure that some people think that better resort makes them better people. I'm not one of them. Money is a poor judge of character.

Peace.

Steve
 
rejobako said:
I doubt it. Rule-breakers will always outnumber the hopelessly self-righteous. ;)

Yeah, you're right.

But they won't be swimming in MY pool. :rotfl2:

Steve

Hopefully self-righteous at the Poly in August. Pool-hoppers beware!
 
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