Do Obama supporters really, truly

[akhenaten]

No, its factual.. Capital Gains and dividend taxes are double taxation, so stop throwing out the lies that you were..

I am also sick of the Obama garbage of "tax cuts for the wealthy", why doesn't he say what it really is, being "lets screw the wealthy even more by taxing them at an even higher rate".... One candidate wants to treat ALL of us the same, another wants to treat 95% of us one way, the other 5% the other way... What if someone wanted to treat Asians(I am guessing, they might make up 5% of the population) one way and the rest of the people another.. How would that fly???

the rate will just return to the one you were already paying under President Clinton.... which was far lower than previous taxes...

 

[JonS99]

I know it sounds mean, but I really hope that people on the right stop giving money to charity, if Washington wants to keep getting into the business of being the United Way, then so be it.. In our house, we will reduce the amount we give to charities by the amount that Obama raises our taxes.. Then let the left, who believes in taking money from one group and giving it to another, can give away all their money if its what they CHOOSE...

 

[NVDisMom]

Whenever I hear the question of "Whatever happened to taking care of ourselves?", I want to scream. Greed happened. Government bailouts of corporations happened. CEOs making 400 times what they pay their average workers happened. Do you think the working class doesn't *want* to be able to provide for their families? They CAN'T! They're dealing with higher costs all around, falling wages, and the constant threat of outsourcing if they do happen to push for a livable wage or reasonable benefits. I disagree, my family does it every day. We take care of ourselves even with rising costs and falling wages. Greed is part of human nature. The gov't is partaking in it and Obama's policies will perpetuate it. The rich will hide as much of their wealth as possible from Obama's tax policies because they do not want to be forced to give their hard earned dollar. The poor will feel more and more entitled to others' earnings. And the middle class will end up being the ones that have to pay the poor from their hard earned dollar. The rich will still be rich. Its the middle class that will be taxed into what we consider proverty.

I tend to agree that democracy is a time-limited system, not because of the common man seeking greater benefit from government but because it is just a matter of time before an entrenched upper glass develops. When government is as intimately intertwined with that upper class as it is today, the common man feels his voice is meaningless, and democracy begins to crumble through apathy. And I think we're very nearly there. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see a major upheaval in our systems of government and economics in my lifetime.

I agree that the common man feels his voice is meaningless. Every time we tell the gov't to butt out of our lives, they won't listen. Obama wants to grow the gov't. Obama wants to provide us all with an acceptable lifestyle. We'll all be giving all of our money to the gov't and they will be kindly providing us with a roof over our head, food on the table, eduction for our children and health care when we're sick. And where will the rest of our money go? The gov't will be enslaving us. We will be working for them so that they can provide for us all. Is this really what we want? I don't. I'd rather be responsible for providng for myself and my family to the best of my ability. I'd rather come to grips with the fact that there will ALWAYS be the haves and the have nots. LIFE ISN'T FAIR!

 

[Master Mason]

the rate will just return to the one you were already paying under President Clinton.... which was far lower than previous taxes...

not exactly, maybe lower than pre 86 or so, but not far lower than after....

 

[akhenaten]

I know it sounds mean, but I really hope that people on the right stop giving money to charity, if Washington wants to keep getting into the business of being the United Way, then so be it.. In our house, we will reduce the amount we give to charities by the amount that Obama raises our taxes.. Then let the left, who believes in taking money from one group and giving it to another, can give away all their money if its what they CHOOSE...

wow...just wow....
you make me proud to be "on the left".....

 

[SteveInBrooklyn]

Nope not redistribution. How about those cheap electronics you purchase that are made in japan, or the huge number of japanese cars that are currently on our roads. The average citizen is the one purchasing those items. That is one example.

Free trade, balance of power, those are important things to the US as a whole, not just to rich people. Keeping mad men away from the nuclear arms that is in the best interest of all the people.

And with that I am done with this discussion, I'm not going to continue to argue when you refuse to look at the big picture.

Consumerism helps the working man? So poor people can't get adequate insurance but they can get a cheap radio so they should be happy!!!!! Gimme a break!!!

 

[mirmartinez]

No, its factual.. Capital Gains and dividend taxes are double taxation, so stop throwing out the lies that you were..

I am also sick of the Obama garbage of "tax cuts for the wealthy", why doesn't he say what it really is, being "lets screw the wealthy even more by taxing them at an even higher rate".... One candidate wants to treat ALL of us the same, another wants to treat 95% of us one way, the other 5% the other way... What if someone wanted to treat Asians(I am guessing, they might make up 5% of the population) one way and the rest of the people another.. How would that fly???

Well, we could do away with double taxation of dividends if
shareholders would be willing to lose more then their investment when the company folds.
Their houses, cars, savings.....
That does not sound productive to me.
I rather stick with double taxation Once at corporate level, then at shareholder level

 

[Pigeon]

I have no problem at all with a progressive tax system. And Obama's plan is considerately more moderate in that department than I would like to see.

 

[Sk8Leigh]

You mean the kid that would likely already be killed long before he could die from cancer by a war on American soil or in a terrorist attack if we didn't have national a soild national defense?

 

[AndyLL]

No, its factual.. Capital Gains and dividend taxes are double taxation, so stop throwing out the lies that you were..

uhhh... how are they double taxation?

 

[SteveInBrooklyn]

Well, we could do away with double taxation of dividends if
shareholders would be willing to lose more then their investment when the company folds.
Their houses, cars, savings.....
That does not sound productive to me.
I rather stick with double taxation Once at corporate level, then at shareholder level

Wow, that's interesting. It sounds like another benefit for the rich written into law. It sounds like the benefits of ownership without the risk.

 

[Sk8Leigh]

Dunno 'bout that....all other developed countries spend far less than we do on "defense" and they don't get invaded or bobmbed.

Because we're saving their a$$!!!

 

[minnie61650]

Think it's okay to take money (increase taxes) from those more wealthy to give (decrease taxes or give tax credits) to people less wealthy?

This is just mind boggling to me, that anyone would agree with it.

Do these people really think it's okay?

What's the incentive to do better financially under the Obama plan, as your increase will be lessor so that others can "share your wealth"?

Yes, DH and I agree.

Yes, that 5%.

DH and I are a part of that 5%.

DH owns his own business and we make over $250,000.

If Obama is elected and if his plan passes than we would be paying 39% instead of 35% in taxes. Back to same tax rate we paid before the BUSH tax cut.

We live in Michigan. Every day we see how much the middle class is really hurting in Michigan.

If that tax increase that we will pay will be given back to the middle class in the form of a tax break than we feel it will be going to a good cause.

We feel that our country needs a strong middle class. It is usually the middle class that helps small business grow.

Just an FYI the increase really is a lot less than most think.



Per the Tax Policy Center, here is how Obama's tax plan breaks down for individuals:
$0-$18,891 = $567 tax cut
$18,982-$37,595 = $892 tax cut
$37,596-$66,354 = $1,118 tax cut
$66,355-$111,645 = $1,264 tax cut
$111,646-$160,972 = $2,135 tax cut
$160,973-$226,918 = $2,796 tax cut

$226,919-$603,402 = $121 tax increase

$2.87 million-plus = $542,882 tax increase
$603,403-$2.87 million = $93,709 tax increasehttp://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/10/28/1600845.aspx

Yep, DH and I are going to be spreading the wealth!
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/10/28/1600845.aspx

 

[SteveInBrooklyn]

Because we're saving their a$$!!!

WHY???????????

 

[Free4Life11]

Why are people 'entitled' to these things? More things are never going "to make you happy." Technically, Robin Hood was a thief, wasn't he? No matter the motive, to take something that doesn't belong to you is stealing.

I never said anyone was entitled to anything. Nobody is "entitled" to these things. But to get them you need a lot of money, which is the reason most of us get up every day and go to work: money.

I'm not going to STOP working or trying to get higher up in the company because the additional money I make will be taxed at a higher rate...that is completely foolish.

And yes having money and being able to buy nicer things WILL and DOES make me happier! For example, I just got a car a few weeks ago and am 100 times happier than I was before! But I fully admit I am materialistic and like nice things.

My point was, some dumb tax credit isn't going to enable me to live the high life, maybe pay rent for a month or two. Yet people act like they are being "robbed" so that people can go out and live like the rich and famous...um not happening!

And for what it's worth, I think EVERYONE's taxes should go up.

 

[chrisw127]

By all means please show me the proof.

None of your business. It's called operations security and if you don't know, you don't need to know.

Okay, in all seriousness, I suppose if you're talking something as simplistic as flight times, then by all means, it's a shorter flight from Iraq to Germany than from NC to Iraq. But that's just talking about soldiers and nothing else. When you add the issue of readiness, number of deployments and equipment, then it's easier to deploy from someplace like NC than Germany. And that's just using Germany as an example. Further, when soldiers deploy from Germany, quite often the military is required to replace soldiers from those units with units from the states (usually reservists). So I would argue that sending a unit from Germany to Iraq has greater implications than sending one from the US.

Also, think about it from a training perspective. For soldiers in Germany, their main mission is to react to events in Europe. So they are set up both training-wise and equipment-wise to do that job. That job is different than deploying to Iraq and while getting up to speed isn't probably a huge issue, the fact is, in places like Camp LeJeune and Ft. Bragg, that's ALL they do.

 

[Sk8Leigh]

Whoa, you mean to say if we close bases Japan will attack us again? Germany will try to take over the world? Hmm, doubt it.

Yeah, that's what they thought after WWI. <<insert banging head against the wall smiley here>>

 

[Sk8Leigh]

WHY???????????

Well when I look at ungrateful France, I don't know why!

But in general, it's a good thing for us and our allies to have each other's backs.

 

[NVDisMom]

How can I choose to buy my neighbors son a coat? I can't afford anything myself. I am a student, full-time. I work every second I am not in school or at my apprenticeship to aafford rent and bills. I can't afford a coat. Whyd o you think I live int he ghetto? I certainly do not enjoy being grabbed at by the crackheads in front of my hourse. The gunshots aren't too appealing either.

If I had the money I would. If you read my entire post you would have known that.

My money goes to tuition and rent. I do not have cable or interent. I consider myself very lucky to have a roof over my head and some food around.

If I were lucky enough to have mommy and daddy pay for school and help me with rent I would certainly help these kids.

Unfortunately, when people have a choice they tend to be greedy. Your being greedy too. You are choosing to pay for your education instead of providing that coat for your neighbor boy. Do I begrudge you your efforts to improve yourself. ABSOLUTELY NOT! I applaud you. You are sacrificing now so that you can have a better future.

I am not all for just handing people who need it money. I want a long-term solution. I want an end to social injustice (and institutionalized racism) that occurs in the education system. I believe thatw ith more funding and centralization of that funding we will be helping those who need it most and make remarkable strides towards the future (as well as save money since we wouldnt be incarcerating as many people).

I don't think you understand. You seem to think that just kids having a parent involved would help, but that is not the case. The kid across the street from me decided to stop going to school once his sister was stabbed in chemistry class. IT IS SO MUCH MORE THAN PARENTAL INVOLVEMENT. And believe it or not, people in the ghetto love their children and are involved with their kids as much as you are. They may not have time because of being a single mother with two jobs but they do try.I'm not saying they don't love their children, but perhaps they should not have had children they could not properly provide for.

The issue is that these kids have no safety, no year-long teachers (high turnover rate) and no resources. Their parents may be involved but there sin't much to be involved in.

It would solve so much, I know this. If we could just take the money from those that don't need it and invest it into the kids who do need it we would solve so many issues. Our jails would eventually be less crowded, the ghettos would improve. These people will have the opportunity to succeed like everyone else. You're gonna make me cry. The ghettos are so sad. I'm being sarcastic, but it is sad. Unfortunately poverty like this is cyclical and genertional. Throwing money at the problem is not the solution. Dedicated people are the solution. Long term teachers, an effective police force, judges that will actually punish offenders, those things will help. Individuals who want to make the ghetto safer, more productive need to give time and effort, not throw others' hard earned dollars at the problem.

You may earn your money, but what special thing did you to earnt he right to go to a school that you didn't have to dodge used condoms and needles to get to? Why are you so much better?

I wasn't better, My parents made choices for their children so that we could have a better life. We moved from So California when I was young so that we wouldn't have to dodge condoms and needles. My parents sacrificed a thriving business so that their children could go to better schools and live in a safer neighborhood. I was taught that education is the key to success, so I worked my tail off to take advantage of everything that was offered to me. Too many kids don't even ty. Apathy cannot be cured with money. Apathy is prevented by parents that insist their children go to school, use their brains, read, not play video games or sit in front of the tv for hours on end. The opportunities to succeed are their, its a matter of someone CHOOSING to utilize those opportunities, even in the ghetto.

 

[SteveInBrooklyn]

Well when I look at ungrateful France, I don't know why!

But in general, it's a good thing for us and our allies to have each other's backs.

While we pick up the tab and they get off scot free? That makes us suckers. I think there is something else at work. Some other interests being served. Interests of the few, paid for by the many. That's redistribution of wealth. Socialism. And I'm agin' it.