Disney's new smoking policy (?)

[nobodies36]

Hey! I'm a she!

Hi, my name is Lisa *waves*.

 

[ducklite]

At 4am?

Why should the time of day matter?

Anne

 

[CanadianGuy]

I agree with you here! Every generation has their 'rebels,' and this thread no matter what point of view one has, certainly has it's share of "rebels" with a cause

Well played sir (madam?) ! Well played !

I am delighted someone correctly picked up on what I was going for... "Point for CountingTheDays"

I forgot to mention I also blame videogames and the internet.

Knox

 

[MariaEllerºoº]

I am a non-smoker and I always avoid a designated smoking area and, if possible, walk around it so the breeze does not blow it toward me. I am all for smoking areas.

The debate comes from not being able to enjoy what you paid for due to anothers inconsiderations. If I cannot use my balcony because you won't stop smoking, even when I ask is rude. It would be just as rude for a non-smoker to sit in the smoking area and yell at all the smokers to stop.
I have been walking out of the park and see people lighting up and walking. The exit route is not a smoking area and there are so many people somebody could (and this happened to a friend's daughter (not at Disney)) get hurt.

Unfortunately, neither side (smoker/non-smoker) is at fault most of the time when it comes to smoking on balconies. Every time we go to Disney we request Smoking Rooms. The many times we haven't received a smoking room we call down to say our room is non-smoking when we requested a smoking room and are informed all smoking rooms are filled. Disney then sends up mousekeeping with ashtrays and have told us we could smoke not only on the balcony, but in the room as well. So, it's not the smoker who's being rude and it's not the non-smoker being rude when the non-smoker doesn't know the full story of what the resort is allowing.

 

[Aidensmom]

And I don't think your attacks are fake, any more than mine are. I'm not calling you a liar so that must be directed to someone else.

I know you did not say that, but there are several who have said or implied it. My asthma attacks usually present themselves at first as a violent coughing fit, so I have had MORE than my fair share dirty looks from people who think I'm faking a cough and judging their smoking, and I am defensive about people thinking I fake my asthma, and that the smoke couldn't possibly bother me. That is where I am coming from.

 

[DisneyPhD]

Well it has been interesting, but I am out. Got to go pack and get ready. We leave for WDW at 4:00 am tomorrow, and then off for our 1st Wonder trip on Sunday. I am hoping I get blessed with minimal if no 2nd hand smoke and we all stay healthy. (oh and great weather too, I guess I am asking for a lot.)

 

[nobodies36]

Why should the time of day matter?

Anne

What you are suggesting is that I wake my caregiver up and ruin her holiday as well. I am merely pointing out the fact that although Disney and myself are doing everything in their power to help a disabled person (me), there are still people, like me, who it means is forced to give up, risk their health (I'm not explaining the walking thing) or stay off-site. The point was in response as to be 'welcome'. I am choosing the risk and the rules. I am not being selfish. People have said smokers have the choice, with the new rules, I don't have the luxury of a choice. Make sense?

 

[countingthedays]

Hey! I'm a she!

Hi, my name is Lisa *waves*.

Lisa, with my profound apologies, I will edit my post. It's nice to meet you.

I will edit my post.

Well played sir (madam?) ! Well played !

I am delighted some picked up on what I was going for...

I forgot to mention I also blame videogames and the internet. :rofl2:

Knox

Thank you. I'm a she, too!

 

[nobodies36]

Well it has been interesting, but I am out. Got to go pack and get ready. We leave for WDW at 4:00 am tomorrow, and then off for our 1st Wonder trip on Sunday. I am hoping I get blessed with minimal if no 2nd hand smoke and we all stay healthy. (oh and great weather too, I guess I am asking for a lot.)

Lucky you! Have a fab trip.

 

[DKwhite]

A smoker chooses to take on the risks associated with smoking. But a non-smoker doesn't have the same choice. Second hand smoke has been proven even more dangerous then first hand smoke.

So why do the rights of smokers trump the rights of non-smokers? Why should my health be endangered just because you chose to endanger yours? Why should I have to avoid certain places because you choose to smoke?

I have asthma, my daughter has asthma, and it's severe enough that a smokey room can lead to an extended hospital stay. So smokers arent' just endangering their lives they are endangering my life. How is that fair?

What kind of a car do you drive?

You know that a gas guzzling SUV/minivan/truck produces more air pollution in one year than 3 cigarette smokers over the course of their lifetimes.

I find it funny that so many neo-nazi anti-smoking fanatics Drive these Gigantic 10-12MPG vehicles, but have the balls to talk about how they're breathing in second hand smoke. Funny as hell.

As a former asthma sufferer I can tell you that you are killing a hell of a lot more people/children/animals/wildlife from your car exhaust than a cigarette smoker will ever be able to do.

Oh, BTW, Alcohol Related deaths are about 10000 times more prevalent than people dying specifically from second hand smoke.

I'm a non-smoker, and I think non-smoking rooms are fine. Designated areas are fine, as long as there are enough of them. This country is throwing away too many of it's freedoms, and one of those freedoms is the Pursuit of Happiness. If it makes a smoker happy, then technically, they have the right to do it.

If you don't like that freedom, then move.

One of the reasons why I like going to Disney is because there are so many foreigners there. You can always tell the difference between a Foreigner and an American at the Disney Parks. The Foreigners are nice. The Americans walk around with a false sense of entitlement and are generally extremely rude, but I suppose this is what we get for idolizing the likes of Britney Spears and Paris Hilton.

 

[ducklite]

What you are suggesting is that I wake my caregiver up and ruin her holiday as well. I am merely pointing out the fact that although Disney and myself are doing everything in their power to help a disabled person (me), there are still people, like me, who it means is forced to give up, risk their health (I'm not explaining the walking thing) or stay off-site. The point was in response as to be 'welcome'. I am choosing the risk and the rules. I am not being selfish. People have said smokers have the choice, with the new rules, I don't have the luxury of a choice. Make sense?

No. You don't need to wake up your caregiver. You can rent an ECV and get yourself to the DSA when you want a smoke.

You just don't seem to want to look at your options and accomodate yourself.

Anne

 

[LakeAriel]

I can see a huge reduction in DVC points being rented out due to the fact if the renter smokes in the room, the owner will be paying a hefty price. On the other hand some owners who smoke will want to rent out their points and stay off site. Thoughts?
I would post this on the DVC board but we aren't allowed.

 

[nobodies36]

Lisa, with my profound apologies, it's nice to meet you.

I will edit my post.

I'm a she, too!

No need to apologise or edit posts. And it is nice to meet you too.

 

[nobodies36]

No. You don't need to wake up your caregiver. You can rent an ECV and get yourself to the DSA when you want a smoke.

You just don't seem to want to look at your options and accomodate yourself.

Anne

Sorry, but you don't know what medications I am on to make the assumption that I could hire an ECV. So, no, I can't. I have already looked at my options, thank you very much. You are coming up with these ideas that I already thought about.

That is rather offensive as you know nothing about me or my disability.

I will say it again: there are people that will fall through the cracks, you don't have to acknowledge that it will happen, but it doesn't change the fact.

 

[ducklite]

What kind of a car do you drive?

You know that a gas guzzling SUV/minivan/truck produces more air pollution in one year than 3 cigarette smokers over the course of their lifetimes.

I find it funny that so many neo-nazi anti-smoking fanatics Drive these Gigantic 10-12MPG vehicles, but have the balls to talk about how they're breathing in second hand smoke. Funny as hell.

We have three cars. None are SUV's. Between them we average 37 mpg. The worst of them gets over 26 mpg. We're considering trading one of the cars in for a hybrid SUV that gets better milage than the car does.

We also maintain our cars for optimum eficiency and minimal emmissions.

Anne

 

[ducklite]

Sorry, but you don't know what medications I am on to make the assumption that I could hire an ECV. So, no, I can't. I have already looked at my options, thank you very much. You are coming up with these ideas that I already thought about.

That is rather offensive as you know nothing about me or my disability.

I will say it again: there are people that will fall through the cracks, you don't have to acknowledge that it will happen, but it doesn't change the fact.

You could also hire an overnight aide to come stay with you to accompany you as needed. There are a lot of options, you don't seem to want to think about any way but your way.

Anne

 

[AdventurerKat]

No. You don't need to wake up your caregiver. You can rent an ECV and get yourself to the DSA when you want a smoke.

You just don't seem to want to look at your options and accomodate yourself.

Anne

How presumptious of you that she's able to do that.

 

[A Mickeyfan]

Most smokers don't admit a lot of things they do. Like flicking butts out the car window instead of using the ashtray that came with their car. Like leaving lighters laying around within reach of the kids. Like smoking in areas where they are well aware they shouldn't be smoking. Like taking those extra breaks at work to get their fixes. I am certain that there are responsible and decent folks out there who smoke, but most of the smokers I know do bend the rules and don't think twice about it. These are nice people who would not throw a kleenex out the car window but don't think twice about throwing a lit cigarette out. So, yes, smokers have a very bad reputation with me and I am more likely to believe that smokers are going to break the rules than follow them. I would love to be proven wrong.

I will prove you wrong on the lighters. Even IF left where a child can pick it up, they are child proof and young children cannot start them. The older child can, but then again, the older child doesn't need you to leave it within reach. They can just go take one anyway.. think they can even buy one.. not sure on all states??? I am a non-smoker
so do not think I am just saying this to defend a smoker. I hate the smell of smoke.

 

[brittsmum1998]

What kind of a car do you drive?

You know that a gas guzzling SUV/minivan/truck produces more air pollution in one year than 3 cigarette smokers over the course of their lifetimes.

I find it funny that so many neo-nazi anti-smoking fanatics Drive these Gigantic 10-12MPG vehicles, but have the balls to talk about how they're breathing in second hand smoke. Funny as hell.

As a former asthma sufferer I can tell you that you are killing a hell of a lot more people/children/animals/wildlife from your car exhaust than a cigarette smoker will ever be able to do.

Oh, BTW, Alcohol Related deaths are about 10000 times more prevalent than people dying specifically from second hand smoke.

I'm a non-smoker, and I think non-smoking rooms are fine. Designated areas are fine, as long as there are enough of them. This country is throwing away too many of it's freedoms, and one of those freedoms is the Pursuit of Happiness. If it makes a smoker happy, then technically, they have the right to do it.

If you don't like that freedom, then move.

One of the reasons why I like going to Disney is because there are so many foreigners there. You can always tell the difference between a Foreigner and an American at the Disney Parks. The Foreigners are nice. The Americans walk around with a false sense of entitlement and are generally extremely rude, but I suppose this is what we get for idolizing the likes of Britney Spears and Paris Hilton.

 

[DKwhite]

We have three cars. None are SUV's. Between them we average 37 mpg. The worst of them gets over 26 mpg. We're considering trading one of the cars in for a hybrid SUV that gets better milage than the car does.

We also maintain our cars for optimum eficiency and minimal emmissions.

Anne

Why do you need 3 cars? I think you can get where you are going with only 1.

Car pooling is a great thing.

My family owns a single car, and we car pool. We recycle, and still we believe that this country was founded on certain FREEDOMS and RIGHTS that other countries have never had or will have. Yet people like you are bound and determined take those rights away to suit your own selfish and entitlement driven needs.

Do you take public transportation? We do. People like you disgust me. You want everyone else to change to suit your needs, but you don't want to do anything yourselves because it is too inconvenient. It's Hypocritical, and that's what bugs me the most about people like yourselves.

And No, we don't do it because we are poor, we do it because we are simply doing our part. But it's people like you that give people like us a bad name.