Disney's new smoking policy (?)

[nobodies36]

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Not that I'm suggesting it, but if she's going to go to the expense of hiring overnight aides, she might as well just smoke in the room and pay the fine - if she's caught.. In the long run, it would probably be cheaper..

I don't even want to smoke in the room. Given a choice I would take a smoking room and smoke at the door/balcony of the room.

 

[C.Ann]

No. You are right. Part of my disability, due to the extended peroids I have to spend alone in the house, I have mental issues (including agoraphobia). People have no idea what my life is like. And my mother doesn't want to stay on site because of the fact that even if I physically manage to get to the DSA myself, she doesn't want me out alone at that time. (Not that I imagine it would happen, but I could not defend myself from an attacker because of my physical problems).

It is sad that because people don't understand I feel I have to say all these things. I know what my life is like, my limitations, etc. And I have thought so hard about this, because I am a burden to my family every day of life, I don't see the point of a holiday if I have to be more of a burden than they knew they were signing up for due to the changes.

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I'm glad I got it right, but very sorry to hear of your disabilities and the daily struggles you must face.. You must be a very strong person - and I'm 100% certain that your family members do NOT consider you a "burden"..

If I were you, I would put a call into Disney and see if you can receive some sort of special accomodations - with a note from your doctor(s), if necessary..

Hang in there! You've made it this far - you can keep right on going!!

 

[countingthedays]

You could also hire an overnight aide to come stay with you to accompany you as needed. There are a lot of options, you don't seem to want to think about any way but your way.

Anne

I don't know either one of you, but I'm thinking you haven't had much experience with people with disabilities. I see your comment as one meant to help, but again, I think statements like this demean the individual who knows fully what they are and are not capable of. Not all disabilites are visible and what might seem like the perfect solution to you, may not fit in with what is going on for the person with a disability. Disabilities as well as care giver services vary too greatly to generalize.

Also, you seem to want to push this person into explaining details and subsequently defending their disability and what impact Disney's new policy will have. If she want's to share that info, it's totally up to her.

I would pose your statement to you and say from my perspective based on your posts, you don't want to think about any way but your way, because I sense you are the type of person who always needs to be right.

 

[A Mickeyfan]

I am a non smoker, my mother is and has been fighting lung cancer since 2000/01. She was a smoker until she found out she had lung cancer. My husband is a smoker, I do not allow him to smoke in my house or car. He can smoke in his car, lanai or front screened in entrance way. How do I feel about the new rule? I think it stinks... you will have way more smoking illegally now then before. We all have a right to our freedom. You & I that do not smoke have the right to be smoke free. Those that do smoke, if they are paying for the room, they have a right to smoke SOME PLACE near that room. They have the freedom to smoke, it is their choice. While many do not agree with their choice, it's still their choice. They should NOT be smoking in public areas. Each resort should have kept some rooms.. I think this will make is worse on us that do not want to smell it Where does Disney suppose these smokers are going to go? Disney is doing this for the money. Once they see (if it happens) that the occupancy rates aren't what they were.. this policy may go the way of the BRP... they are in business for making money. If they need the smokers back, they will bring the smoking rooms back... Remember, they aren't doing this for our benefit but theirs.. they hope... and it may very well back-fire.

 

[nobodies36]

If someone is disabled, can't rent an ECV, is not near a DSA and needs a cigarette at 4 am, they will have to go without. If I am a food addict and can't get a meal at 4 am, I just have to do without until I can get it, hard as it might be. When someone has an addiction, the thought has to hit them at some point that there might be a time that they can't give in to a craving - not only at Disney, either. What if you were stuck in an airport or on a plane for 4 hours? You can't smoke there. You just can't.

The point was in reference to smokers being 'welcome' and catered for. There are some that will be harder hit because they are disabled smokers and do not have the choice to get to a DSA. Food is not a good example (try heroin).

 

[Cass]

People are addicted to food, sex, drugs and alcohol,

Sometimes all at the same time

 

[LuluLovesDisney]

I don't smoke. I don't drink and drive. And I drive either a Toyota ECHO or Scion xA, 36-43 miles to a gallon vehicles. I am vegetarian too.

I don't idolize Britney Spears or Pairs Hilton. And I value time with my family over making gobs of money in the rat race.

And believe it or not, I do not think I am saint, but I don't think I should have to breathe someone else's cigarette or cigar smoke.

Exactly!

The issue is that it is easier to dwell in extremes than to find a solution. No one will ever say you have to breathe in someone else's smoke, they will just say that they have the right to smoke, which doesn't take into account the other side. DSA's are truly the only compromise between smokers and nonsmokers that has been mentioned.

 

[LuluLovesDisney]

Sometimes all at the same time

 

[nobodies36]

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I'm glad I got it right, but very sorry to hear of your disabilities and the daily struggles you must face.. You must be a very strong person - and I'm 100% certain that your family members do NOT consider you a "burden"..

If I were you, I would put a call into Disney and see if you can receive some sort of special accomodations - with a note from your doctor(s), if necessary..

Hang in there! You've made it this far - you can keep right on going!!

I'll try to quit again, but if you saw the post on how much it costs to be a smoker in the UK, you wll know I am very addicted. I thought of that (calling Disney) except two things: I don't want all the non-smokers who said that they would be telling on the smokers (as I may appear to be breaking the rules), nor do I want the smokers to think it is okay to do what I am doing. I have to be strong or I wouldn't see the point of life (Disney is my escape- hence four weeks last year, five this year).

 

[Marilou]

If you had read all my posts, you would have seen I've clarified this (many times) as sarcasm.

sorry bout that Ariel, I responded immediately after i read it about 20 pages ago...lol and you have noticed many of us didnt pick up on that sarcasm, again sorry...maybe some smileys would get the sarcastic point across next time.....
See those we woulda recognized right off!

 

[stargrazer]

Hmm...Parkinson's Disease runs in my husband's family, and scientists have now discovered that smoking cigarettes may decrease the risk.

I guess we'll have to get a note from his doctor that it's a medical need. Disney will have to accomodate him, right? Isn't that part of the ADA laws?

As per usual, the link you will request...
http://www.trdrp.org/research/PageGrant.asp?grant_id=2474

 

[2Princes2Princesses]

No. You are right. Part of my disability, due to the extended peroids I have to spend alone in the house, I have mental issues (including agoraphobia). People have no idea what my life is like. And my mother doesn't want to stay on site because of the fact that even if I physically manage to get to the DSA myself, she doesn't want me out alone at that time. (Not that I imagine it would happen, but I could not defend myself from an attacker because of my physical problems).

It is sad that because people don't understand I feel I have to say all these things. I know what my life is like, my limitations, etc. And I have thought so hard about this, because I am a burden to my family every day of life, I don't see the point of a holiday if I have to be more of a burden than they knew they were signing up for due to the changes.

I have OCD, with some agoraphobia issues myself. I work at home and cannot go to the store or out without my DH, my oldest child, or one of a select few friends. When I went on the cruise in January with my cousin, we brought along a friend because of my problems. I would not have sailed on any other line but Disney. Somehow, WDW is a "safe zone" for me mentally. I struggle to get on a plane...my wonderfully understanding husband used to drive 2 days to WDW and 2 days home, just so I didn't have to fly. Funnily enough, one of the worst attacks of agoraphobia I had was the first time I quit smoking. I was afraid to leave the house completely and had to get some Ativan just to go outside for the mail.

I would not presume to understand your life, as I do not have physical limitations in addition to my other problems, but I do understand somewhat, at least the fear part. I especially understand that no amount of people telling you it is "okay" and "perfectly safe" is going to help. My DH and family do alot to accommodate and help me out. I, too, feel horrible sometimes, thinking they would be better off without me to deal with. But the truth is, they love you. They want you on vacation with them. The new policy is just a bump in the road. They will adapt to it. Don't let it make you stay home.

 

[Cass]

Good luck with quitting, nobodies. If not quiting maybe cutting down so you can go from night to morning without one. It would also save you money too

 

[LuluLovesDisney]

The point was in reference to smokers being 'welcome' and catered for. There are some that will be harder hit because they are disabled smokers and do not have the choice to get to a DSA. Food is not a good example (try heroin).

Food addiction is not just enjoying food or binge eating. I know a true food addict and while I love to eat, cook, have weight struggles, etc. it is *nothing* compared with a true food addict. A true food addict can become violent, hysterical, have panic attacks if they can't get food - will even break into a vending machine or eat non food items (paper, cotton balls, etc.) I wouldn't have imagined it, if I didn't know a recovering food addict and hear her stories from meetings. I am sure that heroin is more powerful, though. That I know nothing about (luckily, I guess).

 

[ducklite]

Don't you do your homework?? While the hybrid may get better write ups, it has been provent that they do not save a sufficent amount of gas to warrent the extra cost. You are paying more in price & not reaping that much of a savings .. so if you are doing it for the enviorment, that is one story.. but to save money on gas.. it doesn't pay.

Fuel economy wasn't our only incentive to purchase the car. We like that when the car is sitting in traffic it's running on batteries. The engine shuts down and there are zero emissions.

BTW--between the fuel savings we've gotten so far (about $700) and the tax incentive, we're on target to break even on the cost of a similar non-hybrid car.

Anne

 

[LuluLovesDisney]

I'll try to quit again, but if you saw the post on how much it costs to be a smoker in the UK, you wll know I am very addicted. I thought of that (calling Disney) except two things: I don't want all the non-smokers who said that they would be telling on the smokers (as I may appear to be breaking the rules), nor do I want the smokers to think it is okay to do what I am doing. I have to be strong or I wouldn't see the point of life (Disney is my escape- hence four weeks last year, five this year).

I think that is very considerate of you. I wish you good luck with quitting/cutting back. Have you tried patches or inhalers -looks like a white plastic cigarillo? I know someone who did very well with the inhaler (although she still uses it instead of smoking, so she's not entirely nicotine free yet).

 

[nobodies36]

I have OCD, with some agoraphobia issues myself. I work at home and cannot go to the store or out without my DH, my oldest child, or one of a select few friends. When I went on the cruise in January with my cousin, we brought along a friend because of my problems. I would not have sailed on any other line but Disney. Somehow, WDW is a "safe zone" for me mentally. I struggle to get on a plane...my wonderfully understanding husband used to drive 2 days to WDW and 2 days home, just so I didn't have to fly. Funnily enough, one of the worst attacks of agoraphobia I had was the first time I quit smoking. I was afraid to leave the house completely and had to get some Ativan just to go outside for the mail.

I would not presume to understand your life, as I do not have physical limitations in addition to my other problems, but I do understand somewhat, at least the fear part. I especially understand that no amount of people telling you it is "okay" and "perfectly safe" is going to help. My DH and family do alot to accommodate and help me out. I, too, feel horrible sometimes, thinking they would be better off without me to deal with. But the truth is, they love you. They want you on vacation with them. The new policy is just a bump in the road. They will adapt to it. Don't let it make you stay home.

I just feel so bad with all the other stuff they do for me. Thanks for your kind and encouraging words.

 

[Finny]

There were ashtrays on the balcony of our nonsmoking room. That's where they were telling people to smoke.

And frankly, since you are someone who simply doesn't like smoke, as opposed to someone really adversely affected, why do your wants outweigh the smoker's wants?

This way is worse for everybody.

I know that is where Disney was telling people to smoke. I complained to Disney during my last trip because I kept getting a smokey room because of a balcony smoker. I was informed that if no non-smoking rooms were available or requested, the guests were asked to smoke on the balcony. When I got home I wrote a letter to Disney complaining about the policy.

I don't feel my wants outweigh the smokers, because to me it isn't case of wants. Smokers have a choice, to smoke or not. I paid for my non-smoking room, because I don't want to be around smoke. If someone wants to smoke, they should get a smoking room if available, or go to the smoking area. Taking a non-smoking room for a person's children or non-smoking relatives enjoyment, then smoking on the balcony next to my non-smoking room takes away my enjoyment. And there have been many posts that smokers have been doing this because Disney allows it.

I agree the new plan may make it worse for everyone. I have written to Disney that I think there should still be smoking rooms, but I think smoking should be restricted to those smoking rooms, and designated smoking areas outside.

Not sure what else I, as one person, can do.

 

[C.Ann]

Hmm...Parkinson's Disease runs in my husband's family, and scientists have now discovered that smoking cigarettes may decrease the risk.

I guess we'll have to get a note from his doctor that it's a medical need. Disney will have to accomodate him, right? Isn't that part of the ADA laws?

As per usual, the link you will request...
http://www.trdrp.org/research/PageGrant.asp?grant_id=2474

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Wow! That's pretty interesting.. A few years ago I thought I read something similar about Alzheimer's, but can't remember if it was preventative or just a slowing down of the progression of the disease.. Shoot - I can't even remember an hour ago, let alone a few years ago.. I read way too much stuff to ever remember all of it..

 

[nobodies36]

Good luck with quitting, nobodies. If not quiting maybe cutting down so you can go from night to morning without one. It would also save you money too

Thanks. I've already started on the cutting down and at New Year I switched brands sue to the high volume of free-base nicotine in my usual brand (free-base nicotine goes straight to the brain and makes it more addictive).