Disney's new smoking policy (?)

[disneysteve]

I've never understood why insurance companies won't pay for smoking cessation products...it seems like it would be in their financial interests.

I think their reasoning (if you can use the term "reason" when speaking of insurance companies) is that the success rate isn't all that good. You're only talking about 20-30% success. They don't want to pay for a treatment that fails 70-80% of the time. The numbers with Chantix seem to be better, up to 40% or so I believe. Maybe if those numbers hold up over time, we'll see better coverage for Chantix.

 

[iloveboardwalk]

I think their reasoning (if you can use the term "reason" when speaking of insurance companies) is that the success rate isn't all that good. You're only talking about 20-30% success. They don't want to pay for a treatment that fails 70-80% of the time. The numbers with Chantix seem to be better, up to 40% or so I believe. Maybe if those numbers hold up over time, we'll see better coverage for Chantix.

I think they should do a study that combines the drug, hypnosis and support group meetings and see if that improves the success rate. Despite my objection to mob rule on this issue, I do support efforts to reduce nicotine use in the general population.

I just wanted to thank you again Steve, for the civil debate. We obviously have very different political views. I still really like you.

 

[disneysteve]

Frankly, I do not want to live in a land where people are forced into a certain behavior set out of fear of the government.

What types of laws, if any, are you in agreement with? Aren't all laws, in one way or another, attempting to influence behavior? Whether it is paying taxes, driving a safe speed, not dumping toxins in the river, or not smoking at the ballgame, all laws are attempts to regulate behavior.

Are there any developed societies today that don't have some system of laws with punishment for those who violate them?

 

[disneysteve]

I just wanted to thank you again Steve, for the civil debate. We obviously have very different political views. I still really like you.

Same here. I greatly enjoy an intelligent debate when it isn't built around personal attacks and insults. You haven't been on DIS that long, but we used to have a debate board on which I was a regular. Unfortunately, it got closed down because the personal attacks started getting out of hand.

 

[iloveboardwalk]

What types of laws, if any, are you in agreement with?

LOL, well I'm not an anarchist.

Aren't all laws, in one way or another, attempting to influence behavior? Whether it is paying taxes, driving a safe speed, not dumping toxins in the river, or not smoking at the ballgame, all laws are attempts to regulate behavior.

I have no problem with the government regulating behavior on public property. The road system is a taxpayer funded system so laws and rules apply to keep the roads orderly.

You cannot dump toxins that affect the environment on land and water you do not own (and dumping on your own land or waterways will affect land and waterways you do not own, so regulation is ok for that, in my own twisted mind, LOL.

If the ballpark is publically owned or funded (even though they shouldn't be, but that's another topic, LOL) then regulation is fine.

Are there any developed societies today that don't have some system of laws with punishment for those who violate them?

No killing, steaing or abusing public property. All of that is ok with me. If a business or homeowner wants to allow smoking in their own business, that should not be subject to government regulation. Don't like the smoke, or the trans fat in the food or the alcohol on the menu, don't go.

I support autonomy and a "leave me the heck alone" form of legislation.

 

[iloveboardwalk]

Same here. I greatly enjoy an intelligent debate when it isn't built around personal attacks and insults. You haven't been on DIS that long, but we used to have a debate board on which I was a regular. Unfortunately, it got closed down because the personal attacks started getting out of hand.

I have been on the DIS for a long time. I used to have another login id, but when I took a long break from the DIS (busy in my personal life) and then came back, I couldn't remember it or my password, so I made another one, LOL! I remember the debate board, which was mild compared to some of the political boards I belong to, but not appropriate for a Disney board, I thought.

 

[iloveboardwalk]

Oh yeah, I also support mandated "truth in advertising" laws so that consumers can make infomred choices without being "tricked" by scammers.

 

[disneysteve]

Don't like the smoke, or the trans fat in the food or the alcohol on the menu, don't go.

Oh yeah, I also support mandated "truth in advertising" laws

I wish all restaurants would have clearly posted nutritional labeling on all food and drinks being sold so that consumers could make an informed decision. Currently, we don't have a clue what we're eating when we go to a restaurant.

 

[iloveboardwalk]

I wish all restaurants would have clearly posted nutritional labeling on all food and drinks being sold so that consumers could make an informed decision. Currently, we don't have a clue what we're eating when we go to a restaurant.

A lot of restaurants have nutritional information on their websites. That's how I learned that I shouldn't have two venti vanilla lattes a day.

 

[disneysteve]

A lot of restaurants have nutritional information on their websites.

That's mainly true only for the national chains, not "real" restaurants. We don't eat at McDonald's and KFC and Ruby Tuesday and Applebee's and those types of places. And even for those places, it is of no value when you are sitting in the restaurant deciding what to order.

 

[iloveboardwalk]

That's mainly true only for the national chains, not "real" restaurants. We don't eat at McDonald's and KFC and Ruby Tuesday and Applebee's and those types of places. And even for those places, it is of no value when you are sitting in the restaurant deciding what to order.

We don't eat fast food either, it is sooooo gross.

Anyway, nutritional information on menus would be nice.

 

[grammy58]

Absolutely not. What I do think you'd see, though, is a rush of people going to their doctors to get prescriptions for Chantix, Wellbutrin, nicotine replacement products, etc. in order to quit.

Smokers know it is no good for them. They know they should quit. Many, if not most, want to quit. But as long as it remains legal and readily available at every convenience store in the country, the pressure to quit just isn't there. Make them illegal, however, and I think most smokers will want to stay within the law and, at that point, would make a serious effort to quit.

If the government ever decided to take this step, and I don't know that they will, I would hope they would do it gradually to give people time to cut back and quit with a known deadline at least a year or two away. I would also hope that they would mandate all health insurance companies to provide coverage for smoking cessation products and counseling. Heck, I wish they would do that now. I have many patients who are interested in taking Chantix but simply can't afford it.

Thank you Dr.Steve. This is the most sensible one so far. Yes I probably would quit instead of breaking the law.

 

[jodifla]

Well, all this conversation is lovely, but do we have any real reports about how the new anti-smoking rules are working at WDW resorts??

 

[englishrose47]

Yes I'd like to know that and while we're on the subject That Dr. Steve brought up if they make cigarets illegal at the same time they should make alcohol illegal I don't drink but I do smokeand I would be in fsavor of cigarets being illegal if alcohol was attachrd to the law if it's not then I say no!!

 

[smjj]

You don't have to take that snottytone with me.

I don't believe I mentioned you at all. My attitude is pretty much like most others on this thread, including yours. It is clear we have different opinions about this topic. If you choose to take it personal, well there is not much I can do about that. This thread is not going to change anyones mind, I know that I hope you realize that too. Lets just keep the name calling out of it OK. I am sure the moderators are already watching this thread very closely....smjj

 

[iloveboardwalk]

I don't believe I mentioned you at all.

Really? You quoted me and then said, and I quote (bolding mine)

But I can tell you the way thinks are going in a few years there will be very few places left where you can smoke your cancer sticks and thats just find with me....

So pardon my confusion.

My attitude is pretty much like most others on this thread, including yours. It is clear we have different opinions about this topic. If you choose to take it personal, well there is not much I can do about that. This thread is not going to change anyones mind, I know that I hope you realize that too. Lets just keep the name calling out of it OK. I am sure the moderators are already watching this thread very closely....smjj

I didn't call anyone any names. I've never had a problem with the moderators here, I'm sure they'll let me know if I've crossed the line. But thanks for the advice.

 

[smjj]

Really? You quoted me and then said, and I quote (bolding mine)


So pardon my confusion.



I didn't call anyone any names. I've never had a problem with the moderators here, I'm sure they'll let me know if I've crossed the line. But thanks for the advice.

I do apologize if you took that personally. I was referring to smokers in general and not any one individual. A poor choice of words on my part, that was not my intent. Friends??smjj

 

[iloveboardwalk]

I do apologize if you took that personally. I was referring to smokers in general and not any one individual. A poor choice of words on my part, that was not my intent. Friends??smjj

Of course, no apology necessary. I think I might have mentioned I get riled up over these private property issues.

FTR, the Disney policy won't affect me one way or the other. I don't smoke and while I don't like sitting in the same room with a smokers, the occasional cloud of smoke I've encountered on my trips has never really phased me one way or the other. On the other hand, I've never been stuck in a room with a smoker on the balcony next door, so maybe I've just been lucky.

 

[kaytieeldr]

Yes - there's a thread on the Resorts board about the actual DSA locations, and several returning Guests have posted their experiences. BEFORE YOU GO THERE... please remember that the Moderators are keeping that thread open only as long as it does not degenerate into arguments, etc.

 

[alldiz]

OT

I wish they do this for Drunk Drivers! They currently pay ALL DD expenses!

HOLY COW

Ok...It is 7:13am....and my mind just not comprehending that....

that is terrible....I can't believe it....but I do
Kerri