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I feel like there is a lot more eagerness to find and exploit loopholes in the system now ... such as using multiple MagicBands or throwaway room reservations. And the reason is pretty clear, it's the lack of availability of interesting, exciting attractions relative to the larger and larger sized crowds. The lack of availability is due to flat-out closing of some attractions, the descent into lameness of many others due to a lack of timely (or any) updates, and the relatively slow rate of adding new attractions (compared to previous decades).

I think the rollout has gone pretty well, actually...

But the tiers are just wrong...any way you slice it.

How can you charge me $106 bucks to go to MGM and say "fantasmic, midway mania, and rockin roller coaster...pick one"

Two of those are just not real impressive draws... And the other is a 50 second vekoma built rollercoaster that I rode in December 98 - if I remember correctly...

I wish they would just take out the tiers and stand on the merits of their parks...

And if there is a backlash that they don't have enough...

Well, gee... Then I guess some open dialogue will result, huh?
 
My point is saying PM now has a wait should have a disclaimer-it does not always have a wait, and it did always have a wait XMAS week.

I get your point...

And I always recommend going where there are NO WAITS for anything...

But not only do the crowded times incur more waits...they charge you more for them...alot more.
 
I get your point...

And I always recommend going where there are NO WAITS for anything...

But not only do the crowded times incur more waits...they charge you more for them...alot more.

True, but as I have shown over and over-"we" now get a lot better bang for our buck those weeks.
 

Disagree...
Tier limits basically severely limit options for a set admission fee

Not sure I disagree (and hope they continue/start much more expansion)-but we travel peak week and arrive mid to late afternoon, tiers would be irrelevant, all FP- were long gone and everything was 100 plus minutes.
 
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Not sure I disagree-but we travel peak week and arrive mid to late afternoon, tiers would be irrelevant, all FP- were long gone and everything was 100 plus minutes.
You can book them well in advance and have your choice of times...

BUT...they tier you... So you have to wait in a 100 minute line guaranteed under the convenience system for the "good rides"
 
You can book them well in advance and have your choice of times...

BUT...they tier you... So you have to wait in a 100 minute line guaranteed under the convenience system for the "good rides"


We reserved this XMAS eve-for XMAS day. Do you think arriving XMAS day at 5PM with FP- would be even close in comparison? There were 3 Fantasmics as well.

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We reserved this XMAS eve-for XMAS day. Do you think arriving XMAS day at 5PM with FP- would be even close in comparison? There were 3 Fantasmics as well.

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Isn't that kinda like cutting down your trees because they looked "weak to you" during a Cat 5 hurricane?
 
You can book them well in advance and have your choice of times...

BUT...they tier you... So you have to wait in a 100 minute line guaranteed under the convenience system for the "good rides"

No, it is not "guaranteed". There are ways to avoid this lengthy "guaranteed" wait quite easily.
 
I know that I will be waiting in longer SB lines for secondary attractions and I will experience considerably less than I did on trips prior to FP+. My family never cared about repeatedly riding E-ticket attractions. So yes, my family has adapted to FP+ by lowering our expectations.

I would think that you probably didn't master the use of FP the first time you went to Disney, instead you learned over time how to make the best use of it. So, you may need to change how you manage the parks a little bit versus how you did it before under the old FP system.

I'm not saying that I am in favor of the new system or against it. I actually haven't been since the whole this was rolled out, so I don't know how I feel. My first time dealing with it will be in July, over the July 4 holiday weekend. That should be a test for how it works when the crowd is near its highest level. I may have different thoughts then, but it all comes down to your initial expectations and learning how to use (or game for some people) the system effectively. I almost never used FP under the old system (maybe for TT, Soarin and Splash Mtn. once per trip), and never waited more than 30 minutes for any ride, and usually far less. We learned how to manage the old system, and we will learn how to manage this one as well. Will we use FP for the biggest attractions, absolutely, but I'm, not going to lose sleep over it.

My frustration comes from the fact that people (including Cormoran) feel like they have to lower their expectations of a WDW vacation, and I think that comes back to number of attractions in each park. That, of course, is a different discussion, and that has already overtaken (accidentally) a different thread (News Roundup).
 
I would think that you probably didn't master the use of FP the first time you went to Disney, instead you learned over time how to make the best use of it. So, you may need to change how you manage the parks a little bit versus how you did it before under the old FP system.

I'm not saying that I am in favor of the new system or against it. I actually haven't been since the whole this was rolled out, so I don't know how I feel. My first time dealing with it will be in July, over the July 4 holiday weekend. That should be a test for how it works when the crowd is near its highest level. I may have different thoughts then, but it all comes down to your initial expectations and learning how to use (or game for some people) the system effectively. I almost never used FP under the old system (maybe for TT, Soarin and Splash Mtn. once per trip), and never waited more than 30 minutes for any ride, and usually far less. We learned how to manage the old system, and we will learn how to manage this one as well. Will we use FP for the biggest attractions, absolutely, but I'm, not going to lose sleep over it.

My frustration comes from the fact that people (including Cormoran) feel like they have to lower their expectations of a WDW vacation, and I think that comes back to number of attractions in each park. That, of course, is a different discussion, and that has already overtaken (accidentally) a different thread (News Roundup).

If you don't like my new strategy for visiting WDW that's your prerogative, but I still think I have a right to express my opinions based on my previous experiences with FP+. I didn't go into the parks with this attitude, but it was in fact my conclusion after visiting. Last April, we rode fewer attractions and waited in longer SB lines for secondary attractions that now have FP+. I felt managed and I felt the spontaneity of visiting the parks was gone, because of a schedule. Again, these are my experiences. So now I have lowered my expectations for my next trip.

I'm sorry you find this idea so objectionable,, but this how I am adapting to the new system. I'm not telling you or anyone else what they should do. But last time I checked I had a right to express my opinions?

People are saying that this is great new technology. I, however, am disappointed that this money wasn't invested in new attractions. I'm just glad Universal is spending money on new attractions, rather than rationing rides.
 
Isn't that kinda like cutting down your trees because they looked "weak to you" during a Cat 5 hurricane?

It's not waiting 180 minutes for RNR and 140 for TOT-"our" only choice with FP-, and no "well in advance to get our choice of times" needed either-esp one of the busiest days of the year-probably top 3.
 
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I've never claimed it was boring - but I sure don't like paying more and getting less! In the past 15 years the gate price has doubled, and there are fewer total attractions in the parks now than there were then. I'll pause for a moment and see if that manages to sink in.

AND, the price will continue to rise. My grandmother used to pay five cents for a Coke, you know.
 
AND, the price will continue to rise. My grandmother used to pay five cents for a Coke, you know.

And she got a 8 or 10 oz pony bottle at that time...instead of a 12 oz or 20 oz

I can't say it's "wrong" to charge more for less...

We've had the ice cream example...more for less.

But ice cream keeps you alive (until the heart attack)...entertainment decreasing offerings or not refreshing and charging alot more is really hard to justify.
 
AND, the price will continue to rise. My grandmother used to pay five cents for a Coke, you know.

Adjusted for inflation, the $48 gate price in 2001 should have risen to $63.34 - meaning that ticket prices are rising at 3x the rate of inflation for the US economy as a whole. Tell me why that's OK while they have reduced the number of attractions in the four parks over that same time?
 
Adjusted for inflation, the $48 gate price in 2001 should have risen to $63.34 - meaning that ticket prices are rising at 3x the rate of inflation for the US economy as a whole. Tell me why that's OK while they have reduced the number of attractions in the four parks over that same time?

I'm curious as to what the counter argument is too...

Because it will be incorrect regardless of what it is
 
Adjusted for inflation, the $48 gate price in 2001 should have risen to $63.34 - meaning that ticket prices are rising at 3x the rate of inflation for the US economy as a whole. Tell me why that's OK while they have reduced the number of attractions in the four parks over that same time?
Because Disney had no idea how robust the consumer was going to be. Disney probably thought that if they charged $100 it would see massive attendance declines. Instead they got big attendance increases. It's only okay because everyone on these boards made it okay.

Though that argument about fewer attractions is weak. We've gotten 4 new E Tickets, several new Ds, and great new themed areas. The product is better then it was before. Now the value is worse...
 
Though that argument about fewer attractions is weak. We've gotten 4 new E Tickets, several new Ds, and great new themed areas. The product is better then it was before. Now the value is worse...

Ok...now I'm being punked...

What on fake G's green planet are you speaking of?
 












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