Disney Vacation Club adjusts 2010 Vacation Points charts

[RobDoc]

I'm new here but with the numbers that were posted for SSR earlier in the thread, I've been adding and all sorts of stuff with the new and old charts. The points are WAY OFF. Knowing that the points can't change overall for the charts, I went through and added things up. The points overall are less for the entire SSR chart but in each category they don't add up correctly. If you add up each point the 2009 chart it equals 2056 pts. and in 2010 it will be 2023 pts.
Now, if you look at the weekly rate it gets even more "interesting"

For example: the 2009 studio points vs the 2010 studio weekly stay
adventure: 95 vs 96
choice: 97 vs 105
dream: 112 vs 112
magic: 123 vs 123
premier: 163 vs 161
overall net change is +7

For the other room sizes the net change for a 1 bedroom is -4, the 2 bedroom is -1, and the grand villa is -44.

I may not be looking at it correctly - but this really upsets me. If I was to take the same trip I'm taking in 2010 as 2009 it would cost me 28 more points! Could someone else grab a calculator and see if the points are the same for their resort charts.
I remember the CM telling us that they can reallocate points but the overall value would never change. My math says the seasons aren't balanced and the entire chart is out of whack. Therefore, the overall value has changed.
Am I looking at this correctly?

Don't forget that as of June, 2009 SSR will have an additional 60 villas. Be sure to include the points for 60 THVs in your computations.

 

[Bunkobeth]

If I add the THV, that would add 505 points to the chart. So the new 2010 chart would be 2528. Adding them into the 2009, the points would be 2561.
So the chart would change again. According to the 2009 chart points the THV are the same as the 2 BR points.

It still doesn't add up - now the ultimate question - what can we do about it??

 

[marynvince]

Don't forget that as of June, 2009 SSR will have an additional 60 villas. Be sure to include the points for 60 THVs in your computations.

Has anything to do with balancing, whether it's 60THVs or 600. And if the points for THVs are the same as 2 bedrooms as they are in 2009 then they don't matter at all.

 

[TreesyB]

Anyone else still can't find the point charts?

 

[tjkraz]

If I add the THV, that would add 505 points to the chart. So the new 2010 chart would be 2528. Adding them into the 2009, the points would be 2561.
So the chart would change again. According to the 2009 chart points the THV are the same as the 2 BR points.

It still doesn't add up - now the ultimate question - what can we do about it??

Even without a reallocation the total points will vary from year-to-year. There are years when February has 29 days. There are years when Christmas Eve, Christmas Day, New Year's Eve and New Years day all fall on a high-priced weekend and other years when they are weekdays. There are years when July has 5 weekends and years where it has just 4 weekends.

I don't know the exact methodology used to determine the starting basis for the point calcuations. Could be a multi-year average or some other baseline.

 

[Cindaddy]

I'm dying to see the chart for BLT. I hope they put them back up soon.

 

[Plutofan]

Every other year we do a Beach cottage in June for a Sunday - Friday. Now with the point change it will now cost us 50 extra points - a 19% percent increase. Also we bought enough AKV points so we could book a Grand Villa for 5 nights. So much for that... It is interesting that the Sunday - Friday DVC members will have to buy more points. Can you get the small amount of points by resale - well it will be expensive with commission and fees and probably hard to find. Mmmm. I guess I will have to call my guide to do a small add on. Thanks Disney.

 

[ems_mom]

I haven't read all the posts but my here's my two cents...

I just bought a BLT add on for just enough points to allow me a 5 day 1 bedroom stay every third year, with banking and borrowing. I realize within the life of a contract, DVC has a right to reallocate points.

But I just bought a week ago and the resort isn't even open yet! My guide should have given me a heads up or they should allow me to buy 5 more points.

Seriously, isn't this called bait and switch?

 

[Plutofan]

Anyone else still can't find the point charts?

I wonder if Disney monitors the boards. I posted on aboard about 1 1/2 hours ago that all the 2010 point charts were missing except Vero. That chart was still up. Well now that chart is now missing. Be sure to post your comments since they do read the boards....in between updating point charts and doing other things for our benefit.

 

[RobDoc]

If I add the THV, that would add 505 points to the chart. So the new 2010 chart would be 2528. Adding them into the 2009, the points would be 2561.
So the chart would change again. According to the 2009 chart points the THV are the same as the 2 BR points.

It still doesn't add up - now the ultimate question - what can we do about it??

You have to look at the TOTAL number of points for the whole resort - based on each season and each villa type and each view for the entire year. The addition of 60 more 2BR viilas (THVs) does certainly change the total for the year and it's quite a few points - although as of right now - no THVs have been declared into the 2009 inventory as far as I know.

Adding 60 THVs is far more than 505 points for the whole year (or even 7 months).

At this time DVD still owns ALL of the THV points and until some of those units are declared into DVC inventory, nothing changes regarding the total points available at that resort.

To figure out the totals for SSR, take the total points needed to reserve a Studio, 1BR, 2BR and GV for every night of the year and multiply that by the number of Studios, 1BRs, 2BRs and GVs at the resort - then add the points at the declared THVs to get the total number of points at the resort. That will equal the points that cannot be changed for the resort. DVC can reallocate those points as they wish over the year as long as the total needed for reservations equals the total available. There is also some annual variation based on when the holidays fall and the number of days in February, etc.

You cannot look at one type of villa or one season - you need to total all villas and all seasons. You may also need to subtract the number of points owned by DVD (2-4%) to figure the actual total used to compute the charts.

 

[AnnaS]

Subscribing.

 

[tjkraz]

Random thought: Don't know if anyone else brought this up but it ought to be interesting to see what this does to the rental market. Some are already lamenting the fact that points "only" rent for $10-11 each. Now renters could be facing a 10-15% increase in the number of points needed for each weeknight.

The gap between rental prices and CRO rates just got that much smaller.

As for the change, intellectually I know it was the right thing to do. There is no way weekend nights should have been double weekday costs. The purpose of the charts is to balance demand and it just wasn't working in that regard.

The foundation of DVC is for the resorts to be near 100% occupancy year-round. If the weekends are priced that much higher and occupancy falls-off dramatically, we're all in trouble. As the old saying goes, you can't put 10 pounds of crap in a 5 pound box. DVC version: We can't have 80% of members trying to use their points for weekdays when the point charts only have 50-60% of the points spread over Sun - Thurs.

Selfishly I think it stinks since we have rarely used points for weekends. It will definitely cost us more per stay. But I doubt it is reason enough to sell.

 

[lisareniff]

Every other year we do a Beach cottage in June for a Sunday - Friday. Now with the point change it will now cost us 50 extra points - a 19% percent increase.

Plutofan, we do the same thing in Feb (Magic Season). Do you have the point chart for VB? On the 2009 Point chart a BC is 60/150 (weekday/weekend) for that time. Would I expect a 72/120 chart for 2010?

I'm bummin'.

 

[TreesyB]

I wonder if Disney monitors the boards. I posted on aboard about 1 1/2 hours ago that all the 2010 point charts were missing except Vero. That chart was still up. Well now that chart is now missing. Be sure to post your comments since they do read the boards....in between updating point charts and doing other things for our benefit.

Yeah, I was looking for the THV points, but the link is not underlined, and when I click on the vacation points, it just takes me to DVC advertising. Wonder what they're doing...

 

[tjkraz]

I haven't read all the posts but my here's my two cents...

I just bought a BLT add on for just enough points to allow me a 5 day 1 bedroom stay every third year, with banking and borrowing. I realize within the life of a contract, DVC has a right to reallocate points.

But I just bought a week ago and the resort isn't even open yet! My guide should have given me a heads up or they should allow me to buy 5 more points.

If you did just buy 7 days ago, you should be within your recission period under which the contract can be cancelled. Call your Guide in the morning and have him/her tear up the old contract and write a new one. Or just cancel altogether.

Seriously, isn't this called bait and switch?

No, because the POS states that it is a possibility.

 

[Bunkobeth]

Thanks Doc for the explanation...that's a little more math than this tired brain can handle right now...maybe in the morning!

)

 

[DisneyWalker44]

If they are going to change the chart for 2010 they need to have them up by 1/25/09 9 am EST since that is when 1/1/2010 can first be booked.

For what it's worth, there have been many times when Disney hadn't had point charts ready when booking windows open. Happens just about every year for the Disney Collection IIRC.

 

[jas2n0]

I just signed and sent my paperwork back today for 189 points at BLT. At that level based on the point chart that DVC gave me 2 weeks ago I would be able to get a 1 bed room lake view Sun-Fri in choice season every year. Now I am 6 points shy. You can't tell me that the sales reps did not know that these charts were going to be changed for 2010.

I agree with the previous poster that this is bait and switch. It is making me consider using the 10-day period to rescind my purchase. Is this what I can expect from DVC going forward.....

 

[Sheribo]

We drive a long way to Florida every spring for one week. We always spend one night off site to save points. The points are currently double for a weekend night. I would love to be able to afford to add an extra day to our visit so it might work out for us. We have always been a Sun - Thurs DVCers. Until the charts are available again, I'm going to be anxiously biting my nails.

 

[tjkraz]

You can't tell me that the sales reps did not know that these charts were going to be changed for 2010.

I sincerely doubt that the Guides were aware of it. DVC rarely informs the sales staff of this sort of change to prevent the info from leaking out before it's officially released. At best there may have been a meeting toward the end of the day today. At worst many will probably get blindsided by customers in the morning.