Disney to cancel FPs if room is cancelled

[Runnsally]

I have another question about how Disney is applying/interpreting the rules. The example was still outside the 60 day window and only listed 3 alternatives:

"We see a change has occurred that impacts your eligibility for the following FastPass+ experiences on 05/08/2019:

Avatar Flight of Passage If action is not taken to restore your eligibility, these FastPass+selections are subject to cancellation on 03/02/2019.

To keep your FastPass+ selections, by 03/02/2019, you may need to:

• Purchase another ticket and link it to your My Disney Experience account.
• Link a ticket you already have to your My Disney Experience account.
• Link an eligible Resort Reservation to your My Disney Experience account."

If the cancellation occurred after the "new" 60 day window existed, would a fourth option be for the guest to cancel them on their own anytime before Disney does, and then book new FP's? Would those "new FP's" be safe from Disney's cancellation, even if they were for the same experience, day, and time?

Not sure I completely understand the question, but I suspect you received this warning because you cancelled the onsite reservation associated with this FP. If you no longer have an onsite reservation, then you can't rebook the FP.

 

[DaveNan]

Not sure I completely understand the question, but I suspect you received this warning because you cancelled the onsite reservation associated with this FP. If you no longer have an onsite reservation, then you can't rebook the FP.

The original poster did not cancel the reservation, they shifted the reservation back. So they still had a reservation on the day of the FP's. However the new reservation was still outside the 60 day window, so they could not book yet based on the new reservation.
They had a 4/30 to 5/12 reservation (i'll ignore the "early open bug") on 3/1 they could have booked a FP's based on the 4/30 reservation. specifically they booked a 5/8 FP on FoP.
Later on 3/1 you shorten or shift your reservation to a later date, say 5/5 to 5/12.
You get the email about your 5/8 FP's. Let's say you get in on 3/1 and you have to do something by 3/3. Your new stay does not open till 3/6, so you can cancel now, but you can't rebook.
Say you waited till 3/5 to shorten you stay till 5/5 to 5/12. Now you get an email saying you have to do something by 3/7.

If the process is working as we think, the leading/shortened reservation which allowed you to book for 5/8 on 3/1 no longer exists and those FP's would/should be cancelled by Disney at the end of 3/7 (or 6 doesn't matter)

What I am asking, is if there is now a fourth alternative in Disney's letter. Can the guest cancel them themselves before Disney does in 2 days and rebook the same FP's? Now they have the same FP for FoP on 5/8 that was booked on 3/6 based on the 60 day window of the 5/5 to 5/12 reservation that they intend to honor.

 

[guerns17]

The original poster did not cancel the reservation, they shifted the reservation back. So they still had a reservation on the day of the FP's. However the new reservation was still outside the 60 day window, so they could not book yet based on the new reservation.
They had a 4/30 to 5/12 reservation (i'll ignore the "early open bug") on 3/1 they could have booked a FP's based on the 4/30 reservation. specifically they booked a 5/8 FP on FoP.
Later on 3/1 you shorten or shift your reservation to a later date, say 5/5 to 5/12.
You get the email about your 5/8 FP's. Let's say you get in on 3/1 and you have to do something by 3/3. Your new stay does not open till 3/6, so you can cancel now, but you can't rebook.
Say you waited till 3/5 to shorten you stay till 5/5 to 5/12. Now you get an email saying you have to do something by 3/7.

If the process is working as we think, the leading/shortened reservation which allowed you to book for 5/8 on 3/1 no longer exists and those FP's would/should be cancelled by Disney at the end of 3/7 (or 6 doesn't matter)

What I am asking, is if there is now a fourth alternative in Disney's letter. Can the guest cancel them themselves before Disney does in 2 days and rebook the same FP's? Now they have the same FP for FoP on 5/8 that was booked on 3/6 based on the 60 day window of the 5/5 to 5/12 reservation that they intend to honor.

I imagine as long as it’s within the new 60 day window you could cancel and rebook. As long as you snag it before someone else does!

 

[DavidNYC]

The original poster did not cancel the reservation, they shifted the reservation back. So they still had a reservation on the day of the FP's. However the new reservation was still outside the 60 day window, so they could not book yet based on the new reservation.
They had a 4/30 to 5/12 reservation (i'll ignore the "early open bug") on 3/1 they could have booked a FP's based on the 4/30 reservation. specifically they booked a 5/8 FP on FoP.
Later on 3/1 you shorten or shift your reservation to a later date, say 5/5 to 5/12.
You get the email about your 5/8 FP's. Let's say you get in on 3/1 and you have to do something by 3/3. Your new stay does not open till 3/6, so you can cancel now, but you can't rebook.
Say you waited till 3/5 to shorten you stay till 5/5 to 5/12. Now you get an email saying you have to do something by 3/7.

If the process is working as we think, the leading/shortened reservation which allowed you to book for 5/8 on 3/1 no longer exists and those FP's would/should be cancelled by Disney at the end of 3/7 (or 6 doesn't matter)

What I am asking, is if there is now a fourth alternative in Disney's letter. Can the guest cancel them themselves before Disney does in 2 days and rebook the same FP's? Now they have the same FP for FoP on 5/8 that was booked on 3/6 based on the 60 day window of the 5/5 to 5/12 reservation that they intend to honor.

There is no answer for this. Only guesses.

 

[PrincessArlena'sDad]

The way I see it, they need to be completely lax with inforcement, where if you can manage to book the FP, good for you,enjoy.

Or,be completely draconian, and anything booked that shouldn’t be,gets cancelled.

Either way is easy to code, and results in less issues overall. Anything in the middle will cause more glitches, more uncertainty, more confusion, and more feelings of resentment as some slip through the system, and others don’t.

 

[Boski]

If Disney allows it, it can be discussed. Pete has said this on the podcast.

What podcast was it? I'd like to check that one out.

 

[Boski]

I thought we could discuss loopholes if they don't violate of Disney's terms of agreement. For example, if they added something like "hotel reservation required when using a FP booked at 60 days" to the fine print then we could not discuss these exploits even if the system allows.

Well there are some who feel like this is violating the TOS. I think when it comes to the DIS they'll allow loophole discussion as long as Disney isn't actively enforcing it.....which goes against what they state as one of their "rules". SDFP violated the TOS and it stood on this board forever, until Disney started enforcing their own TOS (which never changed keep in mind), then it wasn't allowed to be discussed.

 

[rteetz]

What podcast was it? I'd like to check that one out.

Within the last couple weeks. It should have FP discussion in the title and/or description.

 

[rteetz]

I think when it comes to the DIS they'll allow loophole discussion as long as Disney isn't actively enforcing it.....which goes against what they state as one of their "rules". SDFP violated the TOS and it stood on this board forever, until Disney started enforcing their own TOS (which never changed keep in mind), then it wasn't allowed to be discussed.

Correct.

 

[cakebaker]

The way I see it, they need to be completely lax with inforcement, where if you can manage to book the FP, good for you,enjoy.

Or,be completely draconian, and anything booked that shouldn’t be,gets cancelled.

Either way is easy to code, and results in less issues overall. Anything in the middle will cause more glitches, more uncertainty, more confusion, and more feelings of resentment as some slip through the system, and others don’t.

I vote draconian, or in other words, enforce their stated policies consistently.

 

[guerns17]

I’m fine with them being strict as long as they allow 60+ across Disney Resort split stays!

 

[ninafeliz]

Why do some of you care so much about if the discussion is allowed or not? Shouldn’t that be for the moderators to decide? No one on here is the moral police, if you don’t like something or don’t agree with it don’t do it. Going around on the internet trying to convince others to think like you do will never work, and just makes people dig in their heels. Human nature. It comes across as matronly school marms scolding unruly kids as I’m reading and following along, and seems petty. We all do things someone else won’t agree with at some point in our lives!

 

[twinprincesses09]

I decided to experiment a little myself. We have a resort stay book for mid June and have 6 day tickets that were purchased and linked before the date specific ticketing started. We always stay on site and don't do split stays, but I've always thought it unfair that rooms could be booked to get early access to fastpasses then canceled in the 30 days. So yesterday, I made a 1 night reservation to ASM, so it opened fp booking for April 1 (31 days out). I made 3 fps for that day. The 30 day window opened this morning at 7 am. I canceled the 1 night stay this afternoon. All I got was the generic warning that all dining and event reservations would be canceled. It didn't say anything specifically about fps. So far the fastpasses I made at 31 out are still there. I haven't gotten any kind of warning email that they would be canceled. I'll update if that changes.

 

[cakebaker]

Going around on the internet trying to convince others to think like you do will never work

Yes, in either direction of a discussion,

 

[jphcoffeeboy]

Thanks for this information. A loophole is closed, and now a better chance at the upcoming Star Wars FP's, I hope.

 

[ninafeliz]

Yes, in either direction of a discussion,

Of course, how could it be otherwise?

 

[Lesley Wake]

New data point from some of my tests, not sure how informative it is given the systems wonkiness, but here it is FWIW. I made a reservation for 4/30-5/12 room only with AP. Last week the FP window opened early (should have opened this morning) and I scheduled FOP. I then modified that reservation to 5/3 to 5/17. (This was on 2/24 at 10pm) I was given NO warning of any kind regarding FPs. This morning I got this email:

We see a change has occurred that impacts your eligibility for the following FastPass+ experiences on 05/08/2019:

Avatar Flight of Passage If action is not taken to restore your eligibility, these FastPass+selections are subject to cancellation on 03/02/2019.

To keep your FastPass+ selections, by 03/02/2019, you may need to:

• Purchase another ticket and link it to your My Disney Experience account.
• Link a ticket you already have to your My Disney Experience account.
• Link an eligible Resort Reservation to your My Disney Experience account.

I think I may have solved the FP issue for this poster. They said they had an AP. How many days of FPs did they book? If it was more than 7, and then cancelled the onsite stay, then that could have triggered the sweep and prompted a FP to be cancelled for the last day only. APs can only book for 7 days, or the length of an onsite stay.

I think it was more likely that than any leading reservation snafu, especially since it only gave the alert for one day, not all of them.

 

[JenniferYoung44]

I think I may have solved the FP issue for this poster. They said they had an AP. How many days of FPs did they book? If it was more than 7, and then cancelled the onsite stay, then that could have triggered the sweep and prompted a FP to be cancelled for the last day only. APs can only book for 7 days, or the length of an onsite stay.

I think it was more likely that than any leading reservation snafu, especially since it only gave the alert for one day, not all of them.

Nope I only booked 2 days

 

[anomamatt]

Thanks for this information. A loophole is closed, and now a better chance at the upcoming Star Wars FP's, I hope.

Except no loophole was closed. The FP strategists just need to make a very minor modification to the way they do things. They won’t miss a beat.

 

[Wish Upon A Starbucks]

I seriously need some Pepto Bismol after reading all this. Is it just me?
ETA...I should probably apologize now.