Disney Parks laying off 28,000 cast members

[SmartyBacon]

How about we split the difference and just go to USO/IOA. Theming and thrill also priced in between the two!

 

[New Mouse]

I confess to not have read previous responses to this topic so sorry if this has already been said.
For me, if both any Six Flags park was 40$ ticket and the four WDW parks were 100$ tickets I would still chose WDW simply because I don't go to theme parks for the rides, I go for the feels, and that is hard to quantify in clear numbers. I'm sure many come to WDW for the rides and that's great, personally I would pic WDW every time This is why I haven't gone to Bush Gardens in so long, and I get in for free, they have a gorgeous park too, also lots of animals but the main draw are the coasters and I just don't do that

But the overall point is you are currently paying top of the industry prices $100 plus for a lack of what made those prices even remotely justified. If you go to animal kingdom, for $129 you get...expedition everest, dinosaur, the flying dino ride, kali rapids, the safari, flight of passage, river journey and tough to be a bug and a bird show.

Of those, flight of passage is the only one that stands out from a six flags. Without the atmosphere and big shows, its just another park, but with much less to actually do for over 2x the price.

I could argue similar for Epcot and Studios theae days, save a select 1 or 2 attractions. The place is currently a shell. I get why, but harkening back to the overall theme of the thread, laying off 28,000 people along with associated experiences has truly slaughtered the magic and its a huge gamble.

 

[BadPinkTink]

Been reading the last couple of pages and regarding the WDW V Six Flags

In the end, it comes down to the emotional connection and brand loyalty. There are many types of people who go to Disney parks, but for this conversation, its mainly centering around those who go to Disney because they like the products offered and those who are brand loyal and have an emotional connection to TWDC.

If you go to Disney parks just for the products offered, but now the type of products and the amount of products available has decreased, but the price has stayed the same, then its logical that you would switch to Six Flags, which is a lower price point for the same products. You perceive that the value is lower and you have a low brand loyalty.

If you go to Disney parks as you have a strong emotional connection to TWDC and have high brand loyalty, then the availability of products is not as important to you. Even though the amount of products is less and the price has stayed the same, due to your brand loyalty, your value perception remains high.

In marketing / business its called customer profiles.

 

[New Mouse]

How about we split the difference and just go to USO/IOA. Theming and thrill also priced in between the two!

Thats actually the sweet spot right now. If Universal were smart theyd push ahead rather than retreating.

 

[New Mouse]

In marketing / business its called customer profiles.

And if people were more critical, it would force the company to improve!

 

[yulilin3]

But the overall point is you are currently paying top of the industry prices $100 plus for a lack of what made those prices even remotely justified. If you go to animal kingdom, for $129 you get...expedition everest, dinosaur, the flying dino ride, kali rapids, the safari, flight of passage, river journey and tough to be a bug and a bird show.

Of those, flight of passage is the only one that stands out from a six flags. Without the atmosphere and big shows, its just another park, but with much less to actually do for over 2x the price.

I could argue similar for Epcot and Studios theae days, save a select 1 or 2 attractions. The place is currently a shell. I get why, but harkening back to the overall theme of the thread, laying off 28,000 people along with associated experiences has truly slaughtered the magic and its a huge gamble.

Agree that the monetary value might not be there for some, that's always been the case even befor the cuts. My main issues with statements like "it's not worth it" or "it's worth it" is that it's a personal choice.
I can only speak for myself, for me it's still worth it. I get a lot of joy from the parks even in their current state, i also pay an ap monthly, $40+ i go 2, 3 times a week and that's my entire source of escape, I've never been one to go to the movies or concerts or any other form of entertainment.

 

[BadPinkTink]

And if people were more critical, it would force the company to improve!

ah but thats not looking at the bigger picture. When you run a business you don't just cater for one type of customer. When I do customer profiles for clients, I do 4 as standard, and then scale up depending on the business / company. Each customer profile has different needs and wants and has a different price point. Its part of business management to do analysis on the customer profiles. This analysis determines the business decisions

 

[skeeter31]

But the overall point is you are currently paying top of the industry prices $100 plus for a lack of what made those prices even remotely justified. If you go to animal kingdom, for $129 you get...expedition everest, dinosaur, the flying dino ride, kali rapids, the safari, flight of passage, river journey and tough to be a bug and a bird show.

Of those, flight of passage is the only one that stands out from a six flags. Without the atmosphere and big shows, its just another park, but with much less to actually do for over 2x the price.

I could argue similar for Epcot and Studios theae days, save a select 1 or 2 attractions. The place is currently a shell. I get why, but harkening back to the overall theme of the thread, laying off 28,000 people along with associated experiences has truly slaughtered the magic and its a huge gamble.

Enough. It’s a Disney planning forum. It’s going to be pro-Disney here. You can stop beating the drum for Six Flags, you’re just not going to get the support on this forum and you just come across as trolling. There are better ways to make your point than constantly comparing Disney to another park. If your argument is that the layoffs and lack of stage shows makes the park less of an experience for you, state that, but stop trying to make everyone agree with you and stop trying to compare it to Six Flags.

 

[DGsAtBLT]

All I have to say is, anyone selling their DVC points for $1 a point, hi, hello, I’m just a private message away. Looking forward to hearing from you

 

[skeeter31]

All I have to say is, anyone selling their DVC points for $1 a point, hi, hello, I’m just a private message away. Looking forward to hearing from you

Unfortunately they’d never make it to you. Disney would always buy them at ROFR

 

[Farro]

But the overall point is you are currently paying top of the industry prices $100 plus for a lack of what made those prices even remotely justified. If you go to animal kingdom, for $129 you get...expedition everest, dinosaur, the flying dino ride, kali rapids, the safari, flight of passage, river journey and tough to be a bug and a bird show.

Of those, flight of passage is the only one that stands out from a six flags. Without the atmosphere and big shows, its just another park, but with much less to actually do for over 2x the price.

I could argue similar for Epcot and Studios theae days, save a select 1 or 2 attractions. The place is currently a shell. I get why, but harkening back to the overall theme of the thread, laying off 28,000 people along with associated experiences has truly slaughtered the magic and its a huge gamble.

Animal Kingdom was a really bad example to prove your point.

That park -forget the rides and shows. Just the atmosphere -animals, nature, the themed buildings, the lighting, the sounds, the different feeling in each land, the music,...compared to Great America? Please.

Yes, the theme parks across the country you mention do have more rides. But I would never go there if it wasn't for the rides. MK, AK, Epcot, DHS even - we would go and spend a day just soaking it all in without ever needing to go on a ride. And we never sat for the theatre shows.

We do like Dollywood though. It's a pretty park, but still...

I mean, just look at this one picture - amazing.

 

[Moliphino]

But the overall point is you are currently paying top of the industry prices $100 plus for a lack of what made those prices even remotely justified. If you go to animal kingdom, for $129 you get...expedition everest, dinosaur, the flying dino ride, kali rapids, the safari, flight of passage, river journey and tough to be a bug and a bird show.

Of those, flight of passage is the only one that stands out from a six flags. Without the atmosphere and big shows, its just another park, but with much less to actually do for over 2x the price.

I could argue similar for Epcot and Studios theae days, save a select 1 or 2 attractions. The place is currently a shell. I get why, but harkening back to the overall theme of the thread, laying off 28,000 people along with associated experiences has truly slaughtered the magic and its a huge gamble.

What? Six Flags has a safari with real animals? Mountains, animatronics? The only thing that DOESN'T stand out from Six Flags on that list is the dino spinner. And Six Flags has nothing like my favorite attraction - the Nomad Lounge.

 

[skeeter31]

What? Six Flags has a safari with real animals? Mountains, animatronics? The only thing that DOESN'T stand out from Six Flags on that list is the dino spinner. And Six Flags has nothing like my favorite attraction - the Nomad Lounge.

Not to prolong the troll, but I know they’re going to come back with the fact that Six Flags in NJ does have a safari with real animals (it’s a drive thru). But it’s no where close to as magical as AK.

 

[Farro]

What? Six Flags has a safari with real animals? Mountains, animatronics? The only thing that DOESN'T stand out from Six Flags on that list is the dino spinner. And Six Flags has nothing like my favorite attraction - the Nomad Lounge.

Mine too!

 

[New Mouse]

Animal Kingdom was a really bad example to prove your point.

That park -forget the rides and shows. Just the atmosphere -animals, nature, the themed buildings, the lighting, the sounds, the different feeling in each land, the music,...compared to Great America? Please.

Yes, the theme parks across the country you mention do have more rides. But I would never go there if it wasn't for the rides. MK, AK, Epcot, DHS even - we would go and spend a day just soaking it all in without ever needing to go on a ride. And we never sat for the theatre shows.

We do like Dollywood though. It's a pretty park, but still...

I mean, just look at this one picture - amazing.

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You can visit a national park for your purpose for as little as $5. Youre welcome for the $120 savings!

 

[DGsAtBLT]

I still think the park prices are not too out there, the resort and some restaurants are wild (especially some the resorts), but the parks are still in line with other premium entertainment. The only way I’m paying less for an NHL game in my city (pre Covid obviously) for a few hours of entertainment is as a season ticket holder. And it’s still more than I pay per day at Disney on a multi day ticket.

The 10 day tickets I’m holding right now for my kids cost about the same per day as 3 or so visits to my local zoo, which is kinda a lame zoo. That feels pretty reasonable.

 

[Farro]

You can visit a national park for your purpose for as little as $5. Youre welcome for the $120 savings!

Ah okay. You aren't being serious.

God this gets tiring.

 

[rteetz]

Thats exactly my point and Im glad youve all come around through your defense. Six flags and disney both currently offer mainly rides. Most of the experience that disney sells is out the window for at least the next year. When it comes down to it, both places generally offer a different type of rides, but six flags does offer significantly more. The better bang for your buck right now is six flags, the only difference being Disney has 4 parks for an extended vacation.

Yeah no not what I said.

 

[New Mouse]

Not to prolong the troll, but I know they’re going to come back with the fact that Six Flags in NJ does have a safari with real animals (it’s a drive thru). But it’s no where close to as magical as AK.

They also used to have marine animal shows as well... but hey yeah, I agree laying off 28,000 people was a good move for the guests and for the staff and there has been little to no impact on the guest experience, so they should increase rates for 2021 2x without question...and while we are at it, lets make parking $30 due to that increased demand....because you can see a piece of the corner of the space mountain building from the parking lot.

 

[rteetz]

They also used to have marine animal shows as well... but hey yeah, I agree laying off 28,000 people was a good move for the guests and for the staff and there has been little to no impact on the guest experience, so they should increase rates for 2021 2x without question...and while we are at it, lets make parking $30 due to that increased demand....because you can see a piece of the corner of the space mountain building from the parking lot.

Keep twisting this how you want. I don’t think anyone thinks laying off 28,000 people is a good thing.